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Is this any way to run a superpower? or the Emperor has No Clothes!!

By James Rosen via Fox News today

While leading Israeli officials have publicly struck a tone of muted support for President Obama's decision to seek congressional authorization for strikes on Syria's chemical weapons delivery systems, in private, senior Israeli officials and foreign policy analysts are expressing grave disappointment with the conduct of their ally in Washington.
Well-placed Israeli sources told Fox News they "get it" as to why the president felt the need to cloak his planned military strikes in congressional legitimacy. But they regard the way he went about his decision-making in this instance as erratic, unnerving to them, and a bad omen for what the Israelis regard as the sine qua non of their foreign policy: the looming showdown with Iran over its nuclear program.
"The feeling is that something was wrong here, that this was not the way this should have gone down, that this is not the way a superpower should act," said one former Israeli diplomat who has spent considerable time in the United States and enjoys close ties to the Netanyahu government. "We look at Syria, and we think Iran. ... What conclusions should be drawn about how America will act in other circumstances? Here was a clear red line. It was breached a few times. This looks like a clever move; but America's willingness to 'walk the walk' now is very questionable."
Another senior official, presently in the Israeli government, told Fox News the president was right, in terms of domestic U.S. politics, to "look for cover," and thereby force American lawmakers who would have criticized him for undertaking unauthorized action to "own it, too." But this official said the Israelis, from their vantage point, see the Obama administration as detached from the Mideast and the president, in particular, as ill-equipped to shape events there.
"I can only compliment Obama for dragging everyone to his boat," the Israeli official said. "'You want war? Own it, too.' Still, however, he's a disastrous weak leader. ... The Middle East is far less important for this administration and to real American national interests today than in the past. ... The U.S.-Saudi alliance insures a continued supply of oil, and other than that, the U.S. doesn't really care."
When President Obama visited Israel in March, the first foreign trip of his second term, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu thanked him for showing unprecedented support of Israel's position on Iran. "I appreciate the fact that the president has reaffirmed -- more than any other president -- Israel's right and duty to defend itself, by itself, against any threat," Netanyahu said at the time.
Now, sources said, Netanyahu has instructed his cabinet ministers to refrain from public statements that will unduly affect the pending congressional vote in the United States. Only the prime minister himself and Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon are said to be permitted to comment on the Syrian crisis. However, Israeli President Shimon Peres -- who enjoys unique stature as one of the last of the country's founders still active in public life, and whose office is largely ceremonial in nature -- spoke in praise of the president during a session with foreign ambassadors in Jerusalem on Tuesday.
"I express my admiration for the attempt of President Obama to check every possible angle how to bring an end to this horrible situation in Syria," Peres said, adding that the situation is viewed that way "in the eyes of the Arabs, not only in our eyes. And I'm sure that none of us can overlook it."
In urging Congress to approve his planned strikes, the president on Tuesday cited the security of the Jewish state, among that of other regional allies, as a factor for lawmakers to consider. "There are certain weapons," Obama said, "that when used can not only end up resulting in grotesque deaths, but also can end up being transmitted to non-state actors -- can pose a risk to allies and friends of ours, like Israel, like Jordan, like Turkey."


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...proach-not-how-superpower-acts/#ixzz2dsUZXUiK

AS BO'S RATINGS ARE AGAIN ON THE WAY DOWN!!!!
 

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Nutblog Alert!!

You're a funny guy, Martin. A genuine funny guy. Easily confused, but funny nevertheless.:lol:

BTW, no I didn't bother to read this nonsense. The by-line told me all I need to know:

Faux News: We Distort, You Comply
 

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True, but they still manage to fool a large number of dimwitted people.
 
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Nutblog Alert!!

BTW, no I didn't bother to read this nonsense. The by-line told me all I need to know:

Ah, the traits of tolerant & intelligent man willing to listen to other points of view. The absolute definition of a liberal.

The tittle told me instantly what OBSESSED DENSE member refuses to follow mods instructions about political threads.

And the thread a few weeks ago wasn't political? We always hope that the rules will be interpreted fairly. But I'm sure they'll have a special interpretation just for me. So I guess I'll be back in a month or two. In the meantime, know that I'll be laughing as BO slowly imitates the final years of that loser Carter. He may even finish with a lower approval level making him a truly "historic president". Remember Carter fell into the same trap in Iran. As history repeats itself, repeats itself...etc...etc..

P.S. Same reaction from the same three libs. Just like Pavlov's Dog.
 
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Only 15 more points to go. Maybe he'll catch GW Bush yet.
 

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Obama is competing with Carter ,for having the worst US foreign policies , in the Middle East.
 
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Only 15 more points to go. Maybe he'll catch GW Bush yet.

When Obamacare takes hold the Black Population will be affected. His support among Blacks has declined by 8% already.
 
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The numbers are certainly indicating that my original premise in this thread is absolutely true!!

Nile Gardiner
Nile Gardiner is a Washington-based foreign affairs analyst and political commentator. A former aide to Margaret Thatcher, Gardiner has served as a foreign policy adviser to two US presidential campaigns. He appears frequently on American and British television, including Fox News Channel, BBC, and Fox Business Network.


Flailing Obama slumps to lowest ratings of his presidency, as US voters see him as ‘a weak and indecisive leader

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On Tuesday night President Obama will deliver one of the most important political addresses of his presidency, trying to convince a war-weary American public to support his call for military intervention in Syria. Having casually drawn a red line in the sand on the use of chemical weapons by the Assad regime, Obama’s own credibility – not that of the United States – is on the line. But he faces an uphill struggle to win over public opinion, and is almost certainly heading for a heavy defeat on Capitol Hill, where opposition is mounting among Members of Congress.
The scale of the challenge for Mr. Obama is encapsulated in a new poll released by Fox News (conducted by both Democratic and Republican pollsters), which shows the president’s approval rating falling to 40 percent, the lowest level of support in his presidency (on par with December 2010). Obama’s disapproval stands at 54 percent, the highest negative rating he has received since taking office.
There is no doubt that Obama’s handling of the Syria crisis, and his handling of foreign policy in general, is helping drive the president’s unpopularity. According to the Fox poll, 68 percent of likely voters believe the US “should not be more involved in Syria,” with just 26 percent in favour of greater involvement. Only 36 percent agree that “President Obama (has) adequately explained for you the reasons US military action against Syria is necessary,” and just 27 percent “believe President Obama has clearly identified what the US goals and objectives would be in taking military action against Syria.” 55 percent of those surveyed disagree with the assertion that “the reasons for taking military action in Syria are stronger than they are in Iraq,” and 74 percent believe military action against Syria “is more likely to provoke additional violence in the Middle East.” Overall, 60 percent of voters disapprove of Obama’s handling of the Syria issue, compared to just 29 percent who back him.
Strikingly, a large percentage of American voters believe that Obama’s foreign policy has weakened America’s standing in the world. 48 percent agree that the United States is less respected now than it was five years ago when George W. Bush left office. A mere 14 percent say that America is more respected today. 54 percent of US voters disapprove of Obama’s foreign policy, with just 39 percent expressing their support. Most significantly, Obama scores badly on the leadership front: 48 percent of those polled by Fox think Obama is “a weak and indecisive leader,” six percentage points more than those who believe he is “a strong and decisive leader.” In addition, 50 percent feel the president “spends too much time blaming others.”
Against a backdrop of plummeting public approval, and surging Congressional opposition, it is hard to see how the president is going to turn his Syria debacle around. The American people increasingly see him as a weak leader, one that has actually lowered America’s standing in the world instead of raising it. Frankly, President Bush’s record is looking better by the day, as a flailing Obama struggles to stand tall on the world stage while tripping over his own shoelaces at home. At least, with Obama’s predecessor in the White House, the United States was backed by its allies and feared by its enemies. The same cannot be said today.
 

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Watching Fox "News" is like having your history class being taught by the lunch lady....

So which fact and statistic do you take issue with? Or is it just over your head?
 

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So which fact and statistic do you take issue with? Or is it just over your head?

Well well, look who is back... You want to take ME on, bubba?

Here you go, about Fox News doing all they can to mislead the public, whether it be about historical events, or current ones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL7oWBMxm4I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pn3AfUczLc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkA5qYp-RIE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn7_8QL2weQ
Bill O’reilly stated Obama’s India visit was costing 200 million $ a DAY!!! LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4IPh1JEdFg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pn3AfUczLc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkG5Wp-aRoM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR-m8g_iAG8
Dick Morris lying on Fox News about Mitt Romney’s landslide election victory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U2O5bPI2Uo
Sharia law now the rule in the U.S. of A

These I got in 5 minutes of searching the internet...you want any more examples? I've got a LOT more!!
 
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Well well, look who is back... You want to take ME on, bubba?


These I got in 5 minutes of searching the internet...you want any more examples? I've got a LOT more!!

Are you afraid of Obama's statistics? Thus you attack the messenger instead of addressing the message. But then you're a liberal and used to divisive BS instead of facts.
 

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Are you afraid of Obama's statistics? Thus you attack the messenger instead of addressing the message. But then you're a liberal and used to divisive BS instead of facts.

Obama? are you even following the conversation at all? Alyssa was talking about Fox News and how they constantly lie, to the point that No ONE in their right mind can qualify them as a legitimate NEWS outlet...
Here you come in, questioning THAT assertion and I come in to back that up....

sometimes CS, debating with you on politics, it is like trying to prove the sky is blue to a colorblind person who comes back with a ''that's impossible cuz you're a vegetarian!''

But if you want to argue over Obama's foreign policies and his ''falling'' approval ratings...

Are you finally going to wake up and see what is really behind the curtain (A wizard of Oz reference, don'tchaknow) ?

Liberal or Conservative, it doesn't matter anymore these days who you vote for as it is actually multinational corporations who now have a stranglehold on US Policy, foreign or domestic.

It is NOT mr and mrs Joe Six pack who have a say with how US Policy is headed, it is the Koch brothers, the NRA, Halliburton, and every other billion dollar company that has bought and paid for every decision-maker in Washington.

They are the ones who dictated to Obama for his second term to implement the NSA's citizen-spying tactics, the proposed assault on Syria, the neutering of the hoped-for gun control legislation...

It's actually laughable how obsessed you are with Obama, when it's obvious to anyone who actually has his eyes open that had Mitt Romney won the election, we would have already been deployed in Syria at least 2 weeks ago and bombing that poor country right back into the stone age...That Obama is currently in charge and NOT the Republican party is the ONLY reason there was some delaying, and now due to some unforeseen events it may appear that the whole action in Syria may be averted...we'll see...

But to answer your question, sure, because of the whole NSA debacle, the scary Syria incident, yes obama's approval ratings are going down, because the general public does not approve of all these things (no one in their right mind wants these things!!)...

But CS, open your eyes! since the 80s and the ''beloved'' reign of Ronnie who was every neo-cons wet dream, the corporate interests have not-so-slowly insinuated themselves into every facet of Washington decision-making.

money rules, baby!
 

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By the way, I forced myself to read the article at the top of this thread, and all I can say is : ''so what?'' it's basically a piece by a FOX reporter who comments how some Isreali governmental ''source'' is whining and kvetching that Obama and the U.S. seems to no longer be Israel's bitch as re: middle-east policy...

That it seems the Israeli government is actively pushing hard for an armed, unjust conflict with Syria when the overwhelming majority of the US population does not wish this is cause enough that, in my mind, it would be high time the US rethinks its partnership with Israel...

And again, you frank an article that allegedly supports your views, but without EVER following that up with your personal thoughts or opinions. Why don't you surprise us, for once?
 

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sometimes CS, debating with you on politics, it is like trying to prove the sky is blue to a colorblind person who comes back with a ''that's impossible cuz you're a vegetarian!''
Perfect. Brilliant analysis, Spiffy.

By the way, I forced myself to read the article at the top of this thread, and all I can say is : ''so what?''
Fox Noise. Faux News. It's all the same. The only question I have is: how could you force yourself to read all that swill?

And again, you frank an article that allegedly supports your views, but without EVER following that up with your personal thoughts or opinions. Why don't you surprise us, for once?
How about because he has no personal thoughts other than: I hate the black guy and I'd rather see the USA go down the tubes than see this guy succeed.

Next question: why do you bother with him, Spiffy?
 

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That being said, if Obama is the mastermind behind a complicated chess game that ends with a viable political/diplomatic solution, rather than a military one, he may just be a diplomatic genius.

Great assessment and comment. You've got a pretty good insight.

That it seems the Israeli government is actively pushing hard for an armed, unjust conflict with Syria when the overwhelming majority of the US population does not wish this is cause enough that, in my mind, it would be high time the US rethinks its partnership with Israel...

Or at least make it an equal partnership..... right now America is the junior partner in this deal, it what does ever AIPAC/Israel wants....Israel barks, America jumps....
 
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