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    https://merb.cc featured in a LaPresse article

    http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/do...pitale-du-sexe

    I'd like to get some SP's impressions on what is said in those (there are about 10articles I think)articles. I thought the reporter, Isabelle Hachey, really puts the emphasis on "girls being treated like shit"

    What do you guys think ?

    Sorry it's in French, but I tested Google Translate and it did an ok job.

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    Hum the story of the girl "Charlie" is really horrible. And i have no doubt there is some "agencies" like that, the ones that you don't see here on merb. But when it comes to us and merb, i doubt any agency advertising here badly treat there girls...

    I agree the GFE service is almost mandatory now, and i supose lots of girls would prefer a non-GFE service. But if it became such a basic today, its because lots of girl where offering it. I myself wouldn't go to montreal if there was no GFE... Its the main reason i make the trip... GFE, CIM, services mentioned, you know what you gonna get... I pay more for it, and honestly i don't know how the girl really feel about it... is it worst for her, does she mind at all? Who knows...

    I can't be sure of course, but i hope i am not encouraging any agencies that do what those articles are mentioning. But i am pretty certain i don't. I don't see everything but for what i saw the girls of the merb agencies seem to be pretty much free to change place, quit or do as they want, this is how it should be. The problem is the rest... the whole "street gang" part mention by her...

    Je connais une fille dont les bras sont couverts de cicatrices. Elle se coupe après chaque client. Pour elle, chaque cicatrice est un échec
    For exemple i wouldn't even touch that girl for free... i mean would i see a girl with scars all over her body, it would be a complete turn off and make me feel too bad, i don't know what i would do... try to help her? I supose... if i can.

    I was reading the story of the guy "Claude" , its crazy such things still exist. Somewhat there should be ways to deal with these assholes that mistreat the girls and especially the ones that "recrut" minors...
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    Maybe I just patronize the right agencies, but I have seen ZERO evidence of girls being somewhere against their will, or forced to do anything they don't want to. In fact, sometimes I feel it's a lot riskier for clients than SPs in Montreal. Or maybe MERB is just a good filter, and there is some underground world of exploitation I'm just not aware of & that stays off the boards.

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    These kinds of articles have appeared in the past and my impression is they focus on either bottom of the barrel operations and clients who are all on Craigs List or similar sites and are never named, or street level agencies and operations of which we sometimes read in random threads on MERB. I am annoyed because every article that appears on the sex trade in the media, whether in Montreal or elsewhere, is usually authored by a holier than thou feminist who believes she is covering new ground, even though this article is a recycled version of about a hundred different articles that appeared in the past in many media in many cities, each and every one of them purporting to be some ground-breaking expose. You never read about the other side of it which is clients bestowing extraordinary amounts of money and gifts on the ladies and lending generous assistance to them to try to get them educated or on a better track in their lives. It is a small slice of life that they are writing about that supports their own personal agenda, and should not be viewed as some even handed essay on the sex industry as a whole. These writers tend to cast all prostitutes as exploited victims, incapable of making their own choices and ruined by unstable home lives or abusive parents or family members who sapped them of their self esteem. Yes, I have seen some of this in some ladies I have met, but it is far more complex than the simplistic and dramatic portrayal of every escort as an exploited and manipulated victim.

    I read the article on Charlie, translated by Google, and I thought it was a cliched piece of non-informative trash journalism which quite frankly analyzes one person who is likely working at a more street level operation. There is a reference to Charlie being seen and manipulated by "blacks", which I have no idea what that means or is supposed to mean, but the general flavor I get is that she is looking deeper down the barrel than any of us do.

    You should pay as much attention to this article as you do to the fly who buzzes noisily around the dinner table. Swat it away and move on.
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    EB : In many articles they talk about "her black" like every girl has a black pimp street gang member that abuse her, beat her and such. They talk about girls being gangbanded as some initiation to enter a street gang... clearly stuff i have not seen and doubt represent most of the escorting scene ...lol.
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    im fed up of this bullshit ! why dont these reporters shut their filthy mouths.
    Whenever they need to fill some space in a paper they talk about prostitution....
    FUCK OFF ALREADY !!!!!!!!!!

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    Gentlemen,

    Quote Originally Posted by Halloween Mike View Post
    And i have no doubt there is some "agencies" like that, the ones that you don't see here on merb. But when it comes to us and merb, i doubt any agency advertising here badly treat there girls...
    I was wondering how comfortable you are with that statement? Is anyone truly comfortable with it, or is it that the alternative is too uncomfortable to accept. There have been times when the usual opening chit chat..."so how do you like this business"...has gotten some responses about particular former bosses heavily indicating bad treatment, and a boss or two concerned was extremely familiar by name.

    Quote Originally Posted by Halloween Mike View Post
    I agree the GFE service is almost mandatory now, and i supose lots of girls would prefer a non-GFE service. But if it became such a basic today, its because lots of girl where offering it. I myself wouldn't go to montreal if there was no GFE...
    I'd be making the trip anyway simply because the U.S. situation is far too risky.

    All it takes is enough ladies willing to offer GFE to pull in more and more clients non-GFEs can't or have a harder time getting to compel them all to do it...or at least say they do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Halloween Mike View Post
    For exemple i wouldn't even touch that girl for free... i mean would i see a girl with scars all over her body, it would be a complete turn off and make me feel too bad, i don't know what i would do... try to help her? I supose... if i can.
    I had seen one very beautiful lady three times. She wasn't GFE but she was too gorgeous to let being non-GFE get in the way. Then the fourth time we met she had a long fresh scar going down her belly. I obviously asked about it with some shock. She said she had been in a car accident. The thing that didn't match up was a scar from an accident would have been randomly located and probably ragged. This one was almost perfectly straight and ran almost perfectly mid-line from about the lower tip of the breast bone to the navel. Scary to think about. She quit or disappeared from the business soon after.

    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver View Post
    These kinds of articles have appeared in the past and my impression is they focus on either bottom of the barrel operations and clients who are all on Craigs List or similar sites and are never named, or street level agencies and operations of which we sometimes read in random threads on MERB.
    Maybe there's a larger preponderance of abuse in those situations, but as I have already indicated, I think this view that we are not near any of this has something to do with allowing ourselves to feel more comfortable about what we do. According to a couple of former drivers, let's just say there's reason to be concerned.

    Quote Originally Posted by anonguy View Post
    ...sometimes I feel it's a lot riskier for clients than SPs in Montreal...
    I haven't seen escorts in the same large numbers as many, but since starting in 2001 I've never had one case of trouble as a client. I doubt there are many ladies who can say that.

    Sure the articles are a rehash...political pandering...or maybe a retread of feminist cyclical targeting. But I wonder how far from the truth they really are.

    Happy thoughts,

    Merlot

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    I was hoping to get some SPs input on the matter.
    I agree with EB that this is the type of article that should basically be ignored. However I also agreed with Capt concerning the demographic which reads this newspaper.
    I am concerned that anti prostitution laws might become more drastic as a bigger part of the population might take the information written in these articles for cash.
    I hope the few SPs that participate in this forum will provide their comments as I'm sure they wont be biased by any political standpoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merlot View Post
    Gentlemen,



    I was wondering how comfortable you are with that statement? Is anyone truly comfortable with it, or is it that the alternative is too uncomfortable to accept. There have been times when the usual opening chit chat..."so how do you like this business"...has gotten some responses about particular former bosses heavily indicating bad treatment, and a boss or two concerned was extremely familiar by name.



    I'd be making the trip anyway simply because the U.S. situation is far too risky.
    Well yeah the US ain't the same, i was more or less talking mostly about my local town vs montreal...

    As for the other part... well i hope its not the case, and if it would be and i would be aware of it, ill try to help if i can. Sometimes i ask the girls how they are treated and such. Of course nothing tell me they are not lying but well... My "business" with agencies is pretty limited to certain agencies right now, and i am pretty sure the girls are threated right.
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    To show this industry in a positive light would mean to justify to the public that it is ok.
    "Just When I Thought I Was Out.....They Pull Me Back In!!!"

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    One thing which is true is that some young women before starting as SPs have never been abused, have some education and come from middle class families. If, for the sake of argument, one accepts the premise that becoming an SP is a problem, the root cause is often materialism and laziness. The young lady wants luxuries and doesn't want to wait and work for it.

    Before the white knights and SPs embark on my back, please note that I realize that SPs are unique human beings and do not all have the same motives, and, in particular, not the motives mentioned in the preceding paragraph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptRenault View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Merlot View Post
    ...I think this view that we are not near any of this has something to do with allowing ourselves to feel more comfortable about what we do. According to a couple of former drivers, let's just say there's reason to be concerned.
    Merlot, typically you have a believing, unskeptical attitude towards anti-prostitution crusaders and these kind of articles (have you actually read them?).
    Hello Capt,

    The funny thing about your criticism is you didn't quote me about references to the article, you quoted me on first hand witness information from the drivers and criticized that. My original view comes from what the actual players, the escorts and drivers have said. Not the article. And by the way I had lunch with Celine of Celines Fantasies once and her general attitude about the business was just about as harsh as the article.

    You have a biased attitude that allows you to feel comfortable about making a nonsense misrepresentation. Actually I read two articles in full on the website. I'm am very skeptical about the extreme views in such articles as they try to paint the worst about the industry overall. But I still choose not to whitewash my point of view in the opposite direction either. If you think all is hunky dory then you are just as heavily one-sided and agenda driven as them. I didn't think that was the case since it seemed to be you acknowledging some of the seedier side of the business when you said: "not all prostitutes are happy; some are exploited; some are addicted to alcohol or drugs, which is sad". There you seem to be at exactly the same level I'm at. Right there you also had that, "Well, some of it might be true!" attitude you object to from me. So are you following your own advice about showing this acknowledgement and getting out of the hobby to solve your own angst.

    All I wanted to add was a little doubt that we function in a La La Land of safety and bliss as some seemed to be alluding to. I only point out that calling up agencies at random, led by men and women most of us can't possibly know much about, and meeting ladies at random we usually know nothing about...is a laughably imperfect way of having much accurate reference about what goes on or that we are always dealing with happy free ladies all of the time.

    The fact that you feel comfortable making an incredibly inaccurate knee-jerk presumption about my view to me shows a guy that is very defensive against and afraid of any alternative opinion, no matter how close to his own.

    Cheers,

    Merlot

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDon View Post
    To show this industry in a positive light would mean to justify to the public that it is ok.
    There is another factor to consider in writing a "positive" article and that is the privacy and future well-being of the girls themselves. Thinking of the Montreal providers I have seen, they all seemed like "happy hookers" who will be very successful in the future. For instance, I can think of one who is studying law, one who is studying accounting and one who is studying nursing. I am sure that each will be happy and successful in her future career and will probably interact much better with men in the workplace than if she had not ever been an escort. And of course each will make some guy a very happy husband (I think one is actually a lesbian so she will make some girl a happy significant other).

    Now let's say we interviewed them and we did a nice published article about the happy, studious college escorts who are managing their tuition bills and the satisfied johns who love them. I guarantee you that the article would somehow provide enough details and personal information that someone would figure out who they are in real life. That kind of information can really haunt a girl in her working life. Guys who do not see escorts just do not know how to deal with that information. I know of a female attorney who posed nude in a magazine when she was younger and hotter. I was told that every male lawyer had the pics in his desk and that some of the female attorneys were bitchy toward her. And those were just photos, their minds would be totally blown if they found out she was an escort.

    Hell, look at what has happened to poor Suzy Favor, the former Olympian who got exposed as an escort. It is tragic. She even got dumped as the spokesperson for the Wisconsin Potato Growers and no longer is accredited with generating delicious potato recipes in their magazine Tater Talk. Apparently, if a chick is a good enough fuck to get hundreds of dollars on hour as an escort, she could not possibly also be a good cook?

    Guys who do not see escorts and women who have never participated in the sex industry are simply fucked up about it. I realize that Montreal natives are not as fucked up about it as people in the U.S., but they are still pretty fucked up about it. We know there are positive aspects to the sex industry, but that message cannot be spread without potentially damaging the personal lives of escorts. So the only articles that can ever be produced are negative ones. The key is to get the mainstream entertainment industry to show things in a positive light, but I am not sure it will ever happen. If some popular show included a college lady character who escorted or had a sugar daddy and was happy with her life, that would be significant progress. Look at how differently we look at gays and lesbians as a result of the change in how they are portrayed in fictional TV shows. And these bullshit articles like the one posted above are just as fictional as that hypothetical TV show would be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad mofo View Post
    Y'all are out to lunch. It's drugs you stupid fucks. Lots of drugs. That's the problem. Snap out of your girliemam stupid philosophies and see the truth: it's drugs.
    Street girls and some girls at low-end massage parlours do have drug problems, do not enjoy their sex industry work, and do not enjoy their lives in general.

    The vast majority of posters on MERB do not see those girls.

    The social work people and anti-prostitution activitists wish to convince everyone that this segment represents all sex workers. They simply do not.

    I do not know what to do about drug addicted street hookers, any more than I know what to do about the homeless or the extremely impoverished.

    Honesty, I really do not care that much about them, I just dislike it when writers try to convince the uninformed that those ladies are what the sex industry is all about.

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    Patron, I don't understand how a positive article could risk outing an SP more than a negative one. Talking about abuses in her past, troubles she might've had, the name of her pimp, can just as easily out her.

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