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    Is the NFL doomed?

    If you haven't seen this documentary on the epidemic of the chronic brain disease CTE (Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy) that's killing off former NFL players, you really should. It's quite shocking.

    And now there's new information that, for the first time, CTE can be diagnosed while a player is still living. Two former NFL Hall of Famers, Tony Dorsett and Joe DeLamielleure have both tested positive for CTE.

    This interview with Dorsett, whose life is in ruins, is positively chilling.
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    For his comeback lyle alzado used hgh and delveloped a rare brain cancer and wasted away and died.Most nfl linemen are 300 lbs +.
    some are naturally big but most take anabolic steroids to attain that mass and have all sorts of health problems after.many die in their 50s.A defensive lineman I played with for 6 yrs dies last year at 54.
    another defensive end I played with for 1 yr and agains for 1 yr developed Hodgkin lymphoma cancer ,it was attributed to his use of steroids.
    a ball player who had his picture in the hall of fame had it removedmhe developed blood clots from steroid use and had a leg amputated and not willing to stop steroid use ended up with the 2nd leg amputated so in his quest to get big he ended up small and eventually died.
    prior to the ben jphnston affair use of steroids was more rampid and easily available ,then they classified it as the same thing as being in the possession of cocaine.
    the most popular steroid danabol, made by ciba here, 5 mg pink tabs, and called dianabol ,
    in the states 5 mg blue tabs
    and from Russia white tabs 5 mg was taken off the market here in 1981 for liver assioted problems..

    the colour codeing thing is for border agents to be able to differinate prescriptions from different countries as otherwise I could have a prescription for danabol here go get some dianabol (same [product Methandrostenolone different trade names) in the states and come back with a full bottle no question
    a cfl center I played side by side with for 6 yrs had liver cancer from steroid use.most live in pain more than the average person.
    the movie north dallas 40 an excellent movie, deplicted the pain , drug use and crazieness in everyday life of ball players.
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    I enjoy watching football and boxing. However, despit having played high school football and other rough sports, I think that both are stupid to play.

    It is not necessary to say more about boxing than the goal is to concuss your opponent.

    In both sports, one spends at least 95% of the time training. The training is worthwhile, but matches are mostly unpleasant and dangerous. Even if one is not injured, at the end of a match, one always feels worse than at the beginning. In my opinion, one should feel great after participating in a sport - tired physically, but high on endorphins and relieved of stress, satisfied after exercising one's muscles and with cardiovascular benefits.

    Players do get injured during, for example, hockey games, but the violence could be eliminated entirely without eliminating the game.

    Football is trying to reduce injuries with rules about hitting defenseless receivers, helmet to helmet hits etc., but is too violent by nature for such measures to be very effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anon_vlad View Post
    Football is trying to reduce injuries with rules about hitting defenseless receivers, helmet to helmet hits etc., but is too violent by nature for such measures to be very effective.
    There is no way to take injuries totally out of the game. Running backs and offensive lineman will always be hitting their heads repetitively and exposing themselves to CTE playing football. It is a dangerous activity and those who play it will have to decide if the salaries being paid justify long term health risks. Already some NFL players have retired early, deciding the long term health risks were not worth it.
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    After watching this documentary, how could any sane parent enroll their kid in football?

    Insightful was the conversation between pathologist Bennet Omalu and an NFL representative suggesting if 10% of the mothers took their kids out of the game that would be the end of football.

    Yes! Football is doomed

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    My chiropractors son got a scholarship at the UofC if he played football ( the guy is a fast brutal monster ) first freshman ever offered that. Anyways after 1 year and 2 concussions he quit football and decided to pay for his education.
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    Here's an interview with Evan Weiner, who sees two major problems for the survival of the NFL: a) parents preventing their kids from playing and, hence, shutting down the player supply b) schools closing down their programs because of exorbitant insurance costs brought on by lawsuits filed by injured players.

    Will The NFL Still Be Around In 10 Years?

    December 12, 2013

    Watched in nearly 30 million households in the United States each week, the National Football League is arguably the most successful and popular sports enterprise in our country. But there are problems on the field that could drastically affect the way the game is played in the future.

    In August, the NFL agreed to pay $765 million to settle a lawsuit brought by thousands of retired players who alleged that the league had hid from them reports about the long-term consequences of concussions suffered during years of participating in the sport. Illnesses such as Alzheimer’s, dementia and Lou Gehrig’s disease are among the conditions that will qualify these football retirees or their families for settlement payments.

    While the NFL will not admit any wrongdoing under this agreement and specifically is not accepting liability or admitting that the players’ injuries were caused by football, experts wonder what effects this legal action may have on the future of football — and particularly on the system of youth, high school and college teams that feed the ranks of professional football. To get the view of someone who has reported extensively on this topic, the JT spoke to Evan Weiner, an accomplished writer and commentator in the field of sports business and politics.

    Weiner is a frequent guest on MSNBC and was the recipient of the U.S. Sports Academy’s 2010 Ronald Reagan Media Award. His latest book is “America’s Passion: How a Coal Miner’s Game Became the NFL in the 20th Century.

    JT: What is the biggest threat you see to the continuing existence of professional football?

    Weiner: When it comes to playing sports, all mothers become Jewish mothers. It comes down to trust. There must be a trust between parents and the people running the football leagues, so that if I let my children play the game in an organized youth league, in junior high school or in high school, they will be as safe as one can be playing sports. Parents understand that there will always be injuries on the playing field; that is the nature of participating in sports of any kind. But with football, we are talking about a child experiencing a series of concussions that possibly could cause long-term brain damage. So the biggest issue directly linked to the continuation of the NFL becomes the availability of a pool of amateur players that could become limited, as we find out more about the risks of playing collision sports such as football.

    How will these trust issues affect organized football in the school systems?

    The problem that most immediately affects the real future of all contact sports is the rising cost of insurance that may be necessary for schools to obtain. School systems nationwide deal with budget issues on a daily basis. If a family believes their child has been permanently disabled from concussions suffered during years of playing junior high school or high school football, they may sue the school system. Will school boards that either self-insure or pay a huge insurance premium really want to keep the games going? Those policies that deal with catastrophic injuries and their high price tags are going to be a real issue going forward. I can see school systems dropping football because of the vast increases in the costs they incur.

    What other threats to organized football in the school systems do you see?

    I feel that the possibility of a massive class-action lawsuit could really be — no pun intended — a game changer. The recent NFL settlement involved 4,500 players for $765 million; think for a moment what a suit with say 50,000 youth players could be worth if they sued state and county school systems.

    Is the future of the NFL doomed because there will be an insufficient feeder system?

    Professional football needs to learn from the history of other sports. For example, the NFL need only look back at how professional boxing went from being a major sport to becoming a minor one today because of safety issues. From the 1930s through the 1950s, boxing was extremely popular. A number of immigrants used boxing as a means to literally fight their way out of the ghetto and out of poverty. My Jewish grandfather was among those individuals. But during that time, the safety issues of boxing were never completely addressed, and now the sport has a very marginal following. Don’t think for a moment that in a generation the NFL can’t go the way of boxing.

    So what’s the takeaway?

    Those of us who have followed the game since we were kids want to see the NFL continue to flourish. But I believe the fierce and violent tackles that we see will be legislated out of the game. So in the future, I think we will see a less violent, more skilled and more position-oriented style of game. The NFL needs to demonstrate that it is serious about the head injury problem.

    Weiner’s latest book, “America’s Passion: How a Coal Miner’s Game Became the NFL in the 20th Century,” can be found on Smashwords, Kobo, Nook, Sony e-reader and Apple iTunes, along with his three other e-books.
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    I was watching the movie Concussion last night, in which Will Smith portrays Bennett Omalu, who first identified instances of CTE in deceased football players such as famed Steelers Mike Webster.

    I was searching afterwards what has happened since the events described in the movie, and it seems that the NFL was still trying to impeded research on CTE, just a few months ago:

    Congressional report says NFL waged improper campaign to influence government study - with video

    Steve Fainaru and Mark Fainaru-Wada
    May 24, 2016

    WASHINGTON -- At least a half-dozen top NFL health officials waged an improper, behind-the-scenes campaign last year to influence a major U.S. government research study on football and brain disease, congressional investigators have concluded in a new report.

    The 91-page report describes how the NFL pressured the National Institutes of Health to strip the $16 million project from a prominent Boston University researcher and tried to redirect the money to members of the league's committee on brain injuries. The study was to have been funded out of a $30 million "unrestricted gift" the NFL gave the NIH in 2012.


    The video is definitely worth watching, as well as the follow up by the panel with Stephen A. Smith and Tedy Bruschi chiming in.

    The work of the league's committee on brain injuries has been widely discredited at this point. In the aftermath of the Congressional report, Richard Ellenbogen is now under investigation:

    University of Washington to investigate Dr. Richard Ellenbogen, NFL health committee member, on brain injuries
    Originally published July 21, 2016 at 6:01 pm

    Adam Jude

    And the NFL has finally severed ties with Elliot Pellman:

    NFL limps toward modernity after severing ties with maligned CTE 'expert'

    Les Carpenter
    Wednesday 20 July 2016 20.33 BST

    Not too surprising in this context that some players, like Eugene Monroe of the Ravens, decide to cut their careers short:

    'I am terrified': Eugene Monroe cites CTE fear as he quits NFL at 29

    Guardian sport
    Thursday 21 July 2016 16.29 BST

    In the meantime, in another sport, the NHL also dismisses links between head trauma and the onset of CTE in hockey players:

    Bettman writes link between CTE and concussions 'remains nascent'

    NHL commissioner responding to letter filed on June 23 by U.S. senator

    The Associated Press Posted: Jul 27, 2016 7:09 PM ET

    NHL commissioner Gary Bettman's reluctance to link hits to the head in hockey with a degenerative brain disease found in several deceased former players has reached Congress.


    NHL commissioner Gary Bettman continues to downplay link between concussions and CTE in latest lawsuit filing

    By KEVIN MCGRANSports Reporter
    Tues., July 26, 2016

    While Gary Bettman continued to deny a link between concussions and the brain disease chronic traumatic encephalopathy, or CTE, a Canadian sports medicine specialist says the NHL commissioner has missed the point about the public debate on brain injuries.


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