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    Arnold for president?

    I can't find Eager Beaver's original thread, so I've started this one. I'm doing so only to provide a snapshot of the latest bad news for the World's Largest Republican.

    "Schwarzenegger more unpopular than ever, poll finds" runs the headline on Yahoo News. The article itself is from Reuters.

    "Only 34 percent of adult Californians approve of the job Schwarzenegger is doing as governor, compared with 51 percent who disapprove, according to a survey by the Public Policy Institute of California. . . . A year before, the institute found 57 percent of Californians approved of Schwarzenegger's job as governor and 29 percent disapproved."

    Wow. There's something about actually being governed by Schwarzenegger that makes it hard to be enthusiastic about him. One factor may be that he sees being governor as a money-making opportunity. The article synopsizes a recent scandal:

    "Reuters reported on July 13 that the publisher of 'Flex' and 'Muscle & Fitness' would pay Schwarzenegger more than $13 million over five years to serve as an executive editor. He ended the arrangement two days later.

    "The former Mr. Olympia had announced the side job last year but not detailed compensation, which opponents say is a conflict of interest because he has since vetoed a bill that would have regulated diet supplements. Manufacturers of the supplements advertise in the fitness magazines."

    Taking $13 million from a private interest while you're running the state . . . and then vetoing a bill that your benefactor doesn't like. Yeah, we're going to change the constitution for this guy. Michael Hiltzik, a LA Times reporter, blogs the following over at Washington Monthly:

    "Let the national media enjoy speculating about whether he will or wonít run for re-election next year. Itís plain that he wonít. For one thing, all the issues that heís put off for the last two years will land with a thud on the next governor. . . . My prediction: Watch for him to set up some national foundation or other political action entity, name himself chairman, and declare that his work in California is done."

    Sounds plausible to me, but I never liked the guy. Either way, in a year we'll know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Paul
    One factor may be that he sees being governor as a money-making opportunity.
    huh? did you really think any politicians really want to be one if there weren't any money involved?

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    He'll be back. Don't count him out yet. Many have made that mistake only to be astonished. In particular, ask the Predator and the other Terminator in Terminator 2.
    Last edited by EagerBeaver; 07-21-2005 at 06:38 PM.

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    The survey was by the Public Policy Institute of California, so I don't think so. . . . Your mention of Chirac provides an odd and unexpected angle on Californian politics.

    From the little I know of France nowadays, only 2 things ever make Chirac popular with his countrymen: 1) being the only candidate against a racist fringe party, and 2) having George Bush behave like a jackass on the international stage.

    When those conditions don't apply, he's considered pretty much of a boob and a grifter. He came into office in 1995 and the next election is in 2007. After 12 years of the guy, I bet France will have had enough.
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    Arnold for president?

    I don't think so because of the law (must U.S. born) and I hope he doesn't become president as he's been a joke of a governor and I certainly don't want the law to be bent to allow him to run for president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Paul
    From the little I know of France nowadays, only 2 things ever make Chirac popular with his countrymen: 1) being the only candidate against a racist fringe party, and 2) having George Bush behave like a jackass on the international stage.

    When those conditions don't apply, he's considered pretty much of a boob and a grifter. He came into office in 1995 and the next election is in 2007. After 12 years of the guy, I bet France will have had enough.
    I've heard that Chirac, particulary when he was mayor of Paris, has a lot of skeletons in his closet, some of which might be coming to light after he gets ousted as president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curious
    Conservatives in the Republican Party are not going to allow a pro-choice, pro-gun-control candidate be the Republican nominee. Arnold is kidding himself.
    I'm no political expert, but my sense is that the thought of ever becoming US president is not what's occupying most Arnold's mind these days, as he must struggle with the many challenges of the California governorship in addition to having to deal with recent allegations of conflict of interest involving him and the nutritional supplement product industry .

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    Hey Guys,

    Let's keep things in perspective here. First of all, Arnold inherited a royal mess from his predecessor Gray Davis and it was going to take nothing less than a miracle to resolve that mess. Second, Arnold is up against a State legislature staffed with "girlie men", as he appropriately labelled them. Third, even though my buddies Tri and Donny B are not going to like to hear this, California is a State with an overwhelmingly high population of wussies, and you can't put a real man in charge of wussies. You need a wussy to lead wussies. That's why Jerry Brown was such an effective Governor in California. Now you put Arnold in charge in Minnesota or Wyoming or Montana, States which have a much lower % of wussies, and he would be considered the best governor ever. And that's just a fact, Jack.

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    Cool

    Regnad,
    I believe we are seeing the lighthearted side of Beaver. I welcome the sarcastic approach to this thread he has taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CS Martin
    My point is surveys and polls are subject a great deal of error. The polls said Kerry had it in the bag before Bush won the popular vote by 2mil. Polls are like a**holes, everyone has theirs. Depends on what the questions are, how they are asked, to whom they are asked and when they are asked. How big was the sample? Etc. I think these are valid questions unless those presenting these polls are nervous about the answers.
    Your point may be that polls are unreliable, but then what does that have to do w/ Chirac? Is the idea that everyone knows Chirac is always popular, so a low rating indicates that polls are ipso facto bad? Gee, I wouldn't find that too convincing.

    Also I'm not convinced that the polls said Kerry "had it in the bag." Every survey I saw indicated a tight race with no clear sign who would win.

    Finally, yes, there are many ways polls can be slanted. But to assume that a poll is slanted just because you don't like its results is a short-sighted approach. If you don't like what this poll says about Arnold, your course is clear. I've given you the name of the group that did the poll, and you know the name of the politician at issue. Go to Google and find the group's explanation of how it performed this poll. Then you can decide whether it's kosher.

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    Wink Wussies???

    Hi EB,

    I think Suge Knight,Dr Dre, and Snoop Dogg want to have a chat with you in South Central! If you want to make it out of there you better bring the actual Terminator cause Arnie will end up another 187 on the evening news. Don't go, MERB needs its most illustrious member.

    LOL, Abe

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    So Californians are wussies . . . and they elected Arnold. Maybe real men don't vote for movie stars.

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    To me, EB's post makes some sense right up until the part about Arnold having a rough time with the State legislature, but, as for the rest, i hope EB isn't ascribing any serious validity to it...

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    All of you guys need to chill out and go rent "Total Recall." Was a better sci fi action flick ever made in the last 15 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver
    All of you guys need to chill out and go rent "Total Recall." Was a better sci fi action flick ever made in the last 15 years?
    There seems to be a new sci-fi movie starting this weekend featuring one of my favourite new, up and coming actresses, Scarlet Johanson. Having seen the previews a few times, the film reminds me of an old sci-fi movie i once saw called "Logan's Run". I think i'll go see it later today!

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