Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 23

Thread: Hobbying in the USA

  1. #1

    Hobbying in the USA

    How risky is it to hobby in the USA? Particularly using in-calls. My concern is being set up for a sting.

    I have never done this there and know that the risks vary from state to state.

    So what are your thoughts? Are the risks high? Do any of you do it on a regular basis? Which are the 'safest' states and which are the riskiest?

    Also, what is a reliable website to use for reviews?

    Thanks

  2. #2
    Veteran of Misadventures
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    U.S.A.
    Posts
    13,168
    This is a totally unanswerable question unless you specify the location, the level at which you are hobbying at, and the business. Even a state by state analysis is useless. Stings usually get set up by local LE, not the State Police, so you are at the mercy of the municipal LE and the politics of that particular town. If you don't know what the politics are in that town, you assume the risk.

    It is generally a bad idea to be hobbying within a month of municipal elections because there are crackdowns and sweeps to make elected officials look like law-enforcers. They pick on easy targets: usually SWs and their clients are the easiest targets.

    At the higher end of the hobbying spectrum business that operate incalls discreetly can do so for many years and never be touched by LE. The main things they focus on are: discreet location in a commercial area with a landlord willing to bend rules for steady rents, and other tenants who either operate similar or quasi-legal, borderline legitimate businesses, or else they don't care; and donations to police charities which are a legal form of bribing LE. Doing these things can create long term immunity to getting busted, and the smarter business owners figure these things out. Discretion and low profile are very important, and these businesses erect models that build through word of mouth and referrals. You need to know whether you are dealing with such a business or not. There are some businesses operating incall MPs with extras in NYC, that have been in business 10 plus years and never got busted because they did all these things. The landlord willing to bend rules is the most important key, but from what one incall MP business owner told me, the other side of that equation is that the landlord that bends rules ain't going to come running to fix the AC when its broke. So the incall tenant needs to be handy or have their own person on staff who is a fix-it person.

    Reliable websites that tell you about dangers are usually the local ones. In the NYC area for example, it would be BestGFE.com. Usually when there are stings in New Jersey or CT that is the place where you will find out.

    Most stings happen with hotel incalls, because incalls operating there are easier sting targets. There was a sting in Paramus NJ last year and 3 operations were busted, all operating incalls in hotels. The problem is relying on young girls to behave themselves in their hotel room, not to smoke pot, not to play loud music or make noise, and not fight with a client or create a disturbance that draws attention to themselves. If you draw the attention of hotel guests to yourself, a complaint gets made, and then every hotel has surveillance video so at that point you are dead meat. First thing cops will do is grab the hotel's videotapes.

  3. #3
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Anywhere and everywhere
    Posts
    1,914
    I would not chance it in the U.S. for a couple of reasons. First the price of an encounter is way out of line with what we are used to here in Montreal, second, the laws are much stricter in the U.S. I would want to end up in a U.S. jain for solicitation, or possibly solicitation of a minor.......you never know whats waiting for you behind door number 1
    " You actually get to choose your friends, family.........well..."

  4. #4
    If you are able and willing to spend the money, the independent escorts reviewed on www.theeroticreview.com are the safest from a standpoint of not encountering law enforcement as well as getting services equal to those of Montreal providers favorably reviewed on this site. Unfortunately, you will have to pay $350-$600 per hour in big cities. U.S. prices have always been high and they have recently gotten higher. There are just not busts involving big city escorts who do screening and who have high prices. You can find a few exceptions here and there that involve publicity, but that is very much the exception to the rule. The Maine Zumba instructor in the little town that everyone in the town was talking about and the Stanford law graduate who advertised that she was a Stanford law graduate are examples, but those were like two cases out of hundreds of thousands. Personally I avoid hobbying in Arizona, as that is the only state that does not seem to respect the rules on entrapment and privacy that keeps law enforcement out of the private homes and hotel rooms of sex workers in all other states. Once you venture into lower-priced incall arenas that do not involve screening, you take a little more risk of encountering law enforcement, but really not that much more risk. Most busts outside of streetwalker situations in the U.S. involve fake Backpage ads with low prices and unreviewed ladies. But even those situations are rare. They are talked about on Merb and it gives a false sense of risk. If you just focus on the rare plane crash and not the millions of safe flights, it distorts reality, like the special needs fellow in a Rain Man who thought all planes crashed because his only knowledge of planes involved reading about crashes in the media. If you study the reviews on TER, you will find that U.S. Hobbyists can see providers there whole lives and get great service without ever encountering law enforcement. Even if you use an agency that gets busted, which is a little more risky than an independent escort since agencies are a bigger target, you will not get contacted by law enforcement unless you saw the lady in the fucking state of Arizona. It is not illegal to see an escort and no one knows what happened behind closed doors. Law enforcement us not an issue in the U.S. At the higher price per hour levels. The problem is affording those very high prices per hour.

  5. #5
    Yes Patron, I agree. The problem in the USA is the $$$ and getting the indy to show up for her appointment she agreed to.

    Stay away from Back Page.

    One agency owner in Greenville NC told me that she put the most faith in TER reviews. She said 1.) stay off BackPage and 2.) look for a girl with at least three reviews. 3.) Make sure the girl has a website. The LE will not go through all the trouble to create a fake website. She has been in business for years and has not got busted. So I am passing this info on.

    I dodn't know this about Arizona.

    Sex is evil.

  6. #6
    Thanks to all for your thorough answers. Food for thought indeed.

    Just to give a bit more info, I'm headed for a small college town in Georgia. I happened to be perusing TER and found 4 reviews of a girl, all favorable. She offers incall only but I don't know if its a motel or her own place. Nor do I know any prices at this point but am aware they would be higher than here. She advertises on backpage but does have her own webpage as well. Maybe I'll contact her and she if she does outcalls.

  7. #7
    Probably safe. Usually when they do in-call in the USA girls will rent a room on Hotwire or something like this. One girl in Dallas (Pistol Marks) shares her room with her sister. I did two in-calls in Dallas/Ft Worth last year and one was the Ritz Carleton and the other was a full-scale Marriott. Both better rooms then the room I was staying in at the time.

    Be careful in small towns.

  8. #8
    Veteran of Misadventures
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    U.S.A.
    Posts
    13,168
    h-101 is right. I did have one bad experience or I should say scary experience with a hotel incall in Stamford, Connecticut and I even posted about it on MERB:

    https://merb.cc/vbulletin/showthread...hotel+security

    I initially thought it was a scam but it wasn`t, and I eventually saw her. The whole incident scared the crap out of me and I have not done a hotel since then.

  9. #9
    Relocated
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Las Vegas, NV
    Posts
    761
    Definitely be careful with Backpage. When I was in Vegas I met a guy who turned out to be a cop who works in prostitution. (Ironic i know, lol!) He specifically mentioned that they used Backpage in his work.

  10. #10
    I indulged (or tried to) only once in the US. The provider and the agency was well reviewed on TER. The agency would not proceed unless they had all my personal and professional information. That included where I worked, my job title...etc. They say its for a background check and they don't keep the information. Personally I haven't heard of any operation that got busted where the 'client list' was not used as leverage with prosecutors. So when the time arrived, I went to the hotel room, but was very nervous about the whole arrangement and nothing happened.

    In Montreal I don't mind providing a reference or my real name, but they never ask anything beyond that. I have had indies, on our first meeting, call me on hotel phone after I send them the room number. Most hotels won't connect you to a person's room phone unless you have their full name, so I figured it was a way of verifying I was who I said I was and that I was in fact in my room.

  11. #11
    Backpage is just a way of like in mid-size cities, since that is the primary method of advertising. If the lady the original poster wants to see has TER reviews, particularly if they are spread apart in time, then she is not law enforcement or someone who will try to roll him. The ones to be careful of are the ads from a poster who has no reviews on any review board and features a very low price per hour like $100. There was just a police sting in Minnesota featuring a fake Backpage ad with just those characteristics. Even though the police always use this exact same technique of a Backpage Ad of a new provider with no reviews at a low price, this Minnesota sting caught the chief of police of the neighboring county as one of the customers. Never underestimate the stupidity of a horny guy. I am not getting on a high horse though. I once had a no call no show happen in LA and I called a girl with a travel ad that said she was near LAX but she looked very young in the ad. I was traveling, staying at an LAX hotel, had no time for research after the no call no show, and really needed to get laid (incidentally she later showed me she was 19 and I told her she really should do screening). I got lucky and she turned out to be a fantastic provider. The funny part is that she asked me to bring her a Snickers bar and some M&Ms from the hotel lobby vending machine when I came up to her room since she was getting ready to shower and she was starving. My thought right before I knocked on her door was that if this is a sting with a fake picture of an under aged girl, it is really going to look bad that I brought her some candy - that would probably make some internet headline somewhere. I am sure that the Minnesota policeman who got arrested had some reasonable excuse for answering the obviously fake Backpage ad. He probably got frustrated that he could not pass screening by "legitimate" providers and finally said fuck it, I will just see someone who does not do screening and has a price that someone on a cop's salary can afford. I kind of feel sorry for him.

  12. #12
    Patron - you have a good point. I am most vulnerable to doing something stupid after I am stood-up. In the USA I am stood up by an Indy nearly half the time it seems. Then I start surfing back-page.

  13. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by hungry101 View Post
    Patron - you have a good point. I am most vulnerable to doing something stupid after I am stood-up. In the USA I am stood up by an Indy nearly half the time it seems. Then I start surfing back-page.
    I have been lucky. Only 2 no call no shows out of at least 50 U.S. appointments. But I repeat a lot with the same providers, so that eliminates the problem. Sometimes small college towns provide some real gems, so hopefully the OP has stumbled upon a good one. College girls in small towns do not always need that much cash to live on, so the rate might be reasonable, and they like out of towners since they do not want to be with classmates who might gossip or professors who might feel awkward, and law enforcement is more liberal minded in college towns with all of the partying.

  14. #14
    Veteran of Misadventures
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    U.S.A.
    Posts
    13,168
    I am going to New York City tomorrow night to meet with a college girl I met via backpage. She actually has a great review on TER from a guy who has authored tons of reviews of girls at different places. So he is a bona fide legit reviewer and not a self poster. TER enables easy access to the review history.

    I have corresponded with this lady a number of times as we missed each other each of the last 2 times I was in NYC. It looks like it will finally happen tomorrow night. She has a private studio in midtown. has her own phone which she answers and email. Her pics look good. I am taking the chance based on the TER review.

    Although when I saw her pics on BP they had the air of being real, there are all kind of fake pics on backpage. You have to search Google Images or Tineye to determine if they are fakes. Some are obvious, some less than obvious.

  15. #15
    Veteran of Misadventures
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    U.S.A.
    Posts
    13,168

    Minnesota Police Chief Busted For Soliciting Undercover Cop on Backpage

    Here is the police chief of a Minnesota town busted in a Backpage sting. The Police chief offered $150 for sex and another $50 for bareback intercourse:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1733889

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •