View Poll Results: Who do you find more reliable? Agency SPs or Indy SPs?

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  • Agencies are far more reliable than indies

    18 33.33%
  • Agencies are a little more reliable than indies

    13 24.07%
  • Agencies and Indies are about the same

    9 16.67%
  • Indies are a little more reliable than agencies

    5 9.26%
  • Indies are far more reliable than agencies

    6 11.11%
  • Agencies and indies are both unreliable – They both suck

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Thread: Who do you find more reliable? Indies or Agencies?

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    Who do you find more reliable? Indies or Agencies?

    Who are more reliable? Agency SP's or Indy SP's?

    When I come to Montreal, I book appointments through agencies almost exclusively. when I am in the USA I seem to work through Indies much more than agencies. I noticed that I am batting a little over .500 with Indies. They seem to frequently not show up or back out at the last moment. I have been stood up numerous times by indies but I have never been stood up by an agency.

    I just had a bad experience with a well reviewed HDH Indy in Vegas a few weeks ago. I spoke with this SP several times by phone, email, and text prior to the date. She didn't show and didn't try to contact me with an explanation before or after our agreed upon meeting time and she wouldn't take my calls or answer my emails after the fact. Luckily, an agency (100Proof) was able to provide a girl with minimal screening in two hours so I was able to salvage my evening. The next day I saw K-Doll at the Hobbyshop. The agency sent a driver to pick me up. I wish I had this luck with Indy SPs.

    I will not swear off Indies! There are too many hot indies that I want to see out there. But damn! I have had so much bad luck with Indies cancelling on me that I will make sure that I have a back up plan with a local agency.

    What is your experience? What is your luck with agency vs Indy SPs? Who is more reliable???

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    As an indy, I find the poll results so far a little disappointing. I guess that is one reason why it seems to be so agency-dominated here.

    I've never had to cancel an appointment so far, but if ever I had to cancel, I would give the client as much advance notice as possible. It's the right thing to do, and how I would expect to be treated. I am always surprised when I read about clients being stood up by providers yet they try booking them again anyway, or they remain popular regardless of others' reports of no shows.

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    This is a tough question because there are agencies that are more reliable then other agencies but there are also indies that are much more reliable then other indies. Examples of reliable agencies would be Goodgirls, xxxtase, msc, mtl gfe, eleganza in there prime years, i don't deal with them much anymore so i am not sure what they are like these days and then there are agencies such as gof/devilish amongst others where customer service is lacking. An example of reliable indies would be Miss Samantha, Moramore, and i could name others but you get the picture, then there are indies who are total space cadets like the retired Tamara who you could not count on at all. I am speaking from my own personal experiences but because some indies are not reliable does not mean that there are not reliable indies out there. There is no perfect agency or indy but just some who are more reliable then others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiannas View Post
    I am always surprised when I read about clients being stood up by providers yet they try booking them again anyway, or they remain popular regardless of others' reports of no shows.
    There you go again: expecting rational behavior! I agree with you-- reliability and communication trumps almost everything else for me. Montreal has wonderful choices and options, no reason to start chasing those with bad reputations. Maybe some guys still like the thrill of the chase?

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    Hello all,

    Let me qualify the following statement a bit. I'm talking about contacting the Indie or agency on the same level, not a situation where there's an advantageous connection...ie....favoritism or more, with one side or the other.

    For anyone who has been around this hobby much I don't see how there's any other answer than Indies are more reliable than agencies. Nearly all of my Indie experiences were B+ or better, and only one was less. With agencies it's hit or miss whether the lady will even be around, working, or already taken for the night, and that's besides the varying levels of service factor. With Indies whenever they tell me they'll be there they are, and service is good to great. In one case I saw the same Indy over 7 years and the personal connection was wonderful. No agency lady can touch that record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merlot View Post
    Hello all,

    Let me qualify the following statement a bit. I'm talking about contacting the Indie or agency on the same level, not a situation where there's an advantageous connection...ie....favoritism or more, with one side or the other.

    Merlot
    I'm not sure what you mean by an advantageous connection. What I am talking about is getting the Indy to commit to a date and time and then actually show up. To date, all of my no-shows have been Indies. I must say, the dates/sessions that do happen have all been pretty good I think. It is just getting them to answer their mail and commit and then show up or be there the time I am going to come to them.

    For me, agencies in the USA and Canada have always answered their phones, and mostly answered their PMs, E-mails. They have always given me straight talk about a girls availability. When they say a girls going to show they show. That is my experience.

    Obviously Merlot, I must be calling the wrong Indies

    Note* I am not talking about MERB Indies. I am 0-1 with my only attempt with a Montreal Indy. The Indies I am referring to happen to mostly be girls I have tried to set up through TER or EROS in the USA. And I am 411 approved.
    Last edited by hungry101; 04-03-2014 at 01:07 AM. Reason: Correction - I just remembered that I have been stood up by one Mtl Indy.

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    Bobby, you have a point. The low end Backpage only indies are horrible. My problem with them is that they actually do show up and I wish they wouldn't sometimes (LOL). I've stopped calling them. The only temptation is when I am stood up by a well known and TER reviewed Indy that I had pre-booked the week before. When they cancel, I find myself surfing Back Page for a last minute replacement.

    I still say that I have had better luck dealing with a booker/agency owner.

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    I am surprised at the result, the one true answer has no vote? Both indy and agency do suck...loll

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiannas View Post
    As an indy, I find the poll results so far a little disappointing. I guess that is one reason why it seems to be so agency-dominated here.
    The results of the poll are not that meaningful, I think. I imagine the votes reflect the fact that people are more familiar with agencies, not that they are better. I guess many people find a formula that works for them and mostly stick with it. Because there are more agencies, people are more likely to get used to agencies and stick with them.

    If we are talking comparable price and quality of the service, I think Indies are overall more reliable, but possibly more frustrating when a cancellation happens at the last minute. Me, I just can't vote, because I almost only see indies. The only agency I ever used is a relatively cheap Incall, so I never had a no show, but the overall satisfaction was less than Indies.
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    what do you mean "not that meaningful" Merbites have said by a 4-1 margin that they find agencies more reliable than booking with an Indy. I find this true. If you have a date with an Indy it is good to have a backup plan. That is my experience.

    But yes, hobbyists find a formula that works and go with it. For me it is agencies.

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    Most agencies are more reliable but for indies that are serious about their work, I've never had an issue.

    In my experience the worst indies are the young women, 18-22, I've had a lot of "issues" with them. - I reserve myself to women in their late-mid twenties or older. It's not just them though though. I've met 3 girls who were 18-19... and I could not get off the entire session, I felt ... I don't know, like a dirty old man or something.

    So for now it's mostly 25 or older.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blkone View Post
    Most agencies are more reliable but for indies that are serious about their work, I've never had an issue.
    I would agree that an indy who is serious about her work would be very reliable, I think the tough part for a client is knowing who is serious and who isn't. It takes common sense and some homework to weed through the possibilities to find the good ones, and that takes effort, more effort than simply calling an agency.

    I am curious as to whether the independents advertising on merb tend to be better than those only advertising on sites like ann123 and backpage? This because I find merb clients to be more reliable than those I get from the other sites.

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    I would guess that they are Tianna. But I have to say that I have been stood up by the best Indies. Pistol Marks, a rising star in Dallas with ~ 50 good reviews on TER. After being an hour late she told me that her car was sideswiped while driving over and she wouldn't make it. The next night I drove to her incall and I noticed the drive from Ft Worth was an hour. When she answered the door I asked "how's your car" and she said "huh?" I said "The car you got in an accident with the other night." She looked at me and said "Ohhhhhh" and started to lie. My translation? She got a better deal closer to home. We had a great session which made up for the night before.

    In Vegas last month it was HDH 500$/hour Marie Style with 170 good TER reviews. A few hours before coming I asked if she could dress like a few pictures and she wanted 100$ clothing request fee. It said this nowhere on her web site or add sites. I thought for 500$ she could wear make-up and heels and stockings. There was no need for an extra 100$ She did not show up nor did she call or text or answer any of my calls or text. Translation? She got a better deal last minute.

    Maybe I have been unlucky but I could go on and on in the USA with Indies. This does not happen to me with agencies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiannas View Post
    As an indy, I find the poll results so far a little disappointing. I guess that is one reason why it seems to be so agency-dominated here.

    I've never had to cancel an appointment so far, but if ever I had to cancel, I would give the client as much advance notice as possible. It's the right thing to do, and how I would expect to be treated. I am always surprised when I read about clients being stood up by providers yet they try booking them again anyway, or they remain popular regardless of others' reports of no shows.
    The advent of the internet and the vast number of sites offering FREE advertising to so many "independents" puts many of the girls in a position where they are able to receive a lot of calls for appointments. That being said this is a kind of lets see how much shit can be thrown at the wall and what sticks. Clients are to blame as well ! How many clients call, book and then don't show, this problem is a two way street. I had a long conversation with an agency owner and she told me that they have no end of clients reserving girls only to not show up, and not call to advise that they can't make it.In this sense I don't blame the girls (independent) for double booking and then taking whoever shows first. This will from time to time leave someone disappointed with not having their reservation honoured I have to admit that I find the poll unfair in that it doesn't deal with all of the possibilities that can and do occur. One thing is certain, if you are know to and agency as a client or know to an independent as a client they will always ensure that your appointments are honoured !
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    Gents,

    Quote Originally Posted by hungry101 View Post
    I'm not sure what you mean by an advantageous connection.
    Advantageous Connection:

    1. Established a personal relationship with the agency owner or girl.

    2. Established yourself with an agency as loyal.

    3. Have a record of spending a lot of money with the agency.

    4. Favor the agency because of discounts on the QT.

    5. Established yourself as a white knight and/or shill for the agency.

    6. ETC.

    I did mention favoritism from the agency, which generally covers all of the above.

    Quote Originally Posted by hungry101 View Post
    What I am talking about is getting the Indy to commit to a date and time and then actually show up.
    In my experience when you seek out a lady for the first time if you don't have something like one of the above in your favor the chances of seeing the lady you want on the day you want and knowing in advance if she will be there is much more difficult with an agency because there is almost never any direct contact with her. You make a cold call and hope she's available. But she may...not be scheduled...be sick...be on vacation...not working that day...taking time off...quit the business...transferring between agencies...be fully booked...decided to call it a night already...the owner may be trying a B&S...the owner may be denying her work for selfish reasons...maybe she is just having her period.

    With the Independent you can contact the lady directly and you can know where you stand because she knows when she WILL be able to meet. I have never had an Independent cancel a previously confirmed appointment on me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Merlot View Post
    Gents,

    It's been astonishing how some of the greatest high end ladies opened the door to leave with a big smile having forgotten to get paid and had never mentioned money.

    Other times it was:

    Staying quite a bit longer than planned.

    Inviting me outside to wait with them.

    Offering me non-sexual off the clock time before the intimacy.

    Some deep French kissing and cuddling after she had showered and dressed.

    Asking me how soon or how often I will return.

    Giving out her private number.

    Meeting the next time in a very public place and being a little affectionate.

    Asking me to perform an option I hadn't asked for, that usually has an extra charge, for free.

    Most surprisingly there were a couple of offers by different ladies to share sex with her Bi-SO at the same one-girl rate.

    One offered to go on a cruise off the clock and still be intimate.

    So who was that guy who insists everything is an act???



    Merlot
    Plus, of these bonuses listed above 80% of them refer to opportunities from Independents over agency ladies. So based on the criteria of getting a first meeting, there may be a lot less Independents by total numbers, but the success/gratification rate with a top choice is significantly higher.

    Of course if you just want a good meeting on the spur of the moment then obviously agency ladies are lot easier to reach on short notice because of the number of agencies, though the chances your top choice is around is a risk, and meeting with Independents take advanced notice to setup.

    truly,

    Merlot

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