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    When do you know it's time to retire?

    I have wondered about this for a bit of time and I think its time for me to retire from the Hobby.

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    Why would you contemplate that? Most John's ultimately subscribe to the philosophy expressed in the lyrics of NWA's song Gangsta, Gangsta that say "Life ain't nothing but money and bitches." The concept transcends all racial barriers if you do not enjoy rap music - there is a poster with that expression featuring the Roger Sterling of Mad Men. You can retire from earning money when you have enough of it, but you can never really retire from women (I actually prefer the term women instead of bitches, but it does not sound as good in rap music). Of course, many John's take a break from prostitution when they have a relationship with a specific woman who provides all of their needs. But that is a temporary break due to the eventual need for variety and the tendency for a woman to provide a lower-quality sexual service as the relationship progresses. The song I referenced above does not fully explore the interaction between "money" and "bitches", but the lack of money is a primary reason that many men do not become john's and that some men attempt to "retire" from the activity. From a purely motivational aspect, the need for sex likely causes men to work harder to obtain money, but unfortunately the rate of inflation that we have seen worldwide in the price of commercial sex activity has outpaced the increase in wages earned by many john's. The answer is not to retire, but instead to decrease the frequency so that you do not feel like you are working just to obtain sex. Sometimes if a guy find's a favorite who works as an independent, he can cut some long-term deals that reduce the overall cost and adds the extra benefit of allowing him to get to know the escort better as a person. Another frustration of being a John into middle and late stages of life is the inability to ejaculate as easily more than once during the hour. I find that Viagra helps me do so. It is unfortunate that North America does not offer as many opportunities for lower-priced half-hour sessions as Europe does, but that is just the way it is. Bottom line is that you never retire, but you do need to modify the activity from time to time. And never stop keeping your eye open for a "more traditional" romantic relationship that will provide sexual benefits. But do not sign up for such a relationship if that will keep you from ever being a John again due to her possessiveness or her taking all of your money, since the quantity and quality of sex will decline. Those African-American singers were pretty intelligent when they said that "Life ain't nothing but money and bitches". You retire from this activity when your life ends

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    You retire from this activity when your life ends

    Or conversely your life ends when you retire from this activity. Better still you life ends while your enjoying this activity.
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    If i had a girlfriend...i would quite like i did in the past...but other then that...Hell Nooooo..just rock on and enjoy
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    Well, you touched a nerve Patron...here it goes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patron View Post
    ...the lyrics of NWA's song Gangsta, Gangsta that say "Life ain't nothing but money and bitches."
    ISH!!!!!!!!!!

    I can't help but say what I think of NWA and their view...HOW TOTALLY DISGUSTING. I can assure you this way of looking at life has nothing to do with me, and I'd guess 98% hobbyists are not that limited. It expresses a view that self-indulgence is the ONLY thing that matters, something I reject passionately. I'd bet even NWA didn't believe in such crap, and that this mantra of pure selfishness was much more about marketing an image for profit, even if they had some of these awful sentiments.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patron View Post
    From a purely motivational aspect, the need for sex likely causes men to work harder to obtain money,...
    Pffffffssssssssst, most people obtain money to be free to live life as they would like with a lot more facets than sex, or to protect that if they are there already. Sex as the only or even the main motivational factor is a poor state of being. If one thinks like NWA never retire.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patron View Post
    ..."more traditional" romantic relationship that will provide sexual benefits.
    Well, if anyone's interest for a real romantic relationship is limited to sexual benefits...stay in the hobby, because the real thing is far from being about sex only.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patron View Post
    Those African-American singers were pretty intelligent when they said that "Life ain't nothing but money and bitches".
    Their lyrics and the attitude they sold was sick, supremely shallow, and ultimately very UGLY!

    I have enjoyed meeting many ladies in this hobby as people, as much as possible. Yeah I love sex like anyone but the best sex is being with a great PERSON, not a thing. The worse thing I could think of was to treat any women like a BITCH for MONEY.

    I feel a bit guilty about picking on your post, but those sentiments are too objectionable when it paints something so poor about many hobbyists I've met.

    DAMN!!!!!!!!!!

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    Patron - Like you said, I too prefer the line "Life aint nothing but money and SPs." I am guilty of working harder so that I can hobby. I have to say that the hobby is my motivation. Ther are several reasons to retire. I will list a few.

    Finding a GF that you want to be with night and day - you will tire of this and be back to the hobby.
    Making that GF your wife - you will tire of this and be back to the hobby
    Getting busted by your wife - you will get divorced and be back to the hobby
    Getting an STD - you will be sidelined and think twice about the hobby and then be back to the hobby after medical treatment
    Passing an STD to your wife - your life may end but if it does not you will soon be back to the hobby
    Losing your job - find a new a=one and you are back tot he hobby
    Prostate cancer - I think that this could make you retire but find a good doctor at the Mayo clinic and you are back to the hobby
    Death of a loved one - morn for a period of time (6 months or so) an you are back to the hobby

    There are so many more important things in life than sex with young girls. However, nothing beats the rush of sex with a GoodGirl. The only way to surly quit this hobby is to string together 4 or 6 sessions where after each session you say to yourself that was nothing special. With agencies like GoodGirls, MTLGFE, WT etc and the land of FKK and that little bar on Atlantica ave in Copacabana in Rio how is it possible to retire????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patron View Post
    ...but the lack of money is a primary reason that many men do not become john's
    No. Escorts are not more expensive than good tickets for you favorite show or the clothes and junk people buy to impress other shallow persons. Anyone with a regular job can afford to hobby every now and then. The real reason many people don't become John is that they have no idea how it works and because of the social stigma of this activity.

    Of course money can be a reason to slow down or stop completely for a while, depending on the situation.

    People's needs and desires change over time, so there's no answer to that question. Life is just life; you have to figure out what it means to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merlot View Post




    I have enjoyed meeting many ladies in this hobby as people, as much as possible. Yeah I love sex like anyone but the best sex is being with a great PERSON, not a thing. The worse thing I could think of was to treat any women like a BITCH for MONEY.

    I feel a bit guilty about picking on your post, but those sentiments are too objectionable when it paints something so poor about many hobbyists I've met.

    DAMN!!!!!!!!!!

    Merlot
    Here my rank: masturbation, casual sex, hobby, affair (crush), love, love-of-your life. You quit the hobby if you progress to affair and beyond or by attrition (aging). Yes, I prefer hobby to casual sex, it is less of the hassle and is more honest. And yes I agree with Merlot there is much more in life than sex. It is not sex that defines us as humans. Satisfaction you get from intellectual endeavor such as science or art beats sex by a huge margin.

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    Siocnarf, you are certainly correct regarding guys with good jobs, but there are a lot of guys who just make it from paycheck to paycheck on not so good jobs. And I am guilty of making my analysis based on the high US escort rates, which a lot of guys just cannot afford.

    Merlot, I did not really mean for you to take my comments too seriously. What rap I like was mostly introduced to me by escorts, mostly white chicks, who have music to listen to at their incall places. Some chicks like to really grind in cowgirl, and reverse cowgirl, while being called a bitch by the black rapper. I am guessing you would make her put a different CD in.

    Hungry, your line about being killed by the wife who gets the STD was funny. None of those things would make me want to retire, though. If I ever get to the summit, I think I would just want to visit the summit again. To me this is like food. Just because I had a great meal at the perfect restaurant does not mean I will not get hungry again.

    Anyway, this thread is not about me. Hopefully, CockAsian will tell everyone why he us thinking of retiring so everyone can analyze it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patron View Post
    Merlot, I did not really mean for you to take my comments too seriously. What rap I like was mostly introduced to me by escorts, mostly white chicks, who have music to listen to at their incall places. Some chicks like to really grind in cowgirl, and reverse cowgirl, while being called a bitch by the black rapper. I am guessing you would make her put a different CD in.
    Hello Patron,

    Usually I enjoy your posts. I just despise all those super shallow fugly sentiments put out by NWA and so many like rappers. I don't think it's any of my business what music others get turn on by, but when it comes to what those sentiments are that basically demean human feeling and motivation to the lowest denominators it really strikes a nerve, not the least reason is because I've known many who try to treat others exactly like that, like total trash. When I found out a long time friend who I hung out with the most frequently at the time was something like that I couldn't take it and I ditched him.

    But yes, I would never use a rap CD. That's me, obviously it doesn't have to be anyone else. I remember an extremely hot fabulously built athletic black SP named Vanessa I met in 2002. Daaaannnnmm she was so fine with a dark coffee complexion and breasts to die for. Nice, a bit shy, sweet really, low key personality, things looked good to start with. I had my CD player and I had invited her to bring whatever music she liked. Well, she put on some rap music with some awful sentiments and using the word n*****s frequently it made me uncomfortable and it took so much away from the experience. I didn't want to make her feel bad so I didn't mention the music issue, but it put a damper on arousal and the atmosphere in general.

    I also get into role playing with some much less than vanilla themes. I've got nothing against certain "bad ass" forms of arousal as long as she is into it. But the sentiments by NWA and a lot of rappers don't seem to me to be "playing" for the most part. When those kinds of things are promoted as a legit lifestyle of how to really look at people and treat them that way it makes me sick. One could allow that what they promoted was about making money, though I still find that using that philosophy for profit disgusting, I totally object to any idea that it's an allowable way to treat anyone in real life, and when I was told it was a good way and people acted that out, I thought, there no difference between that kind of life ideal and being an animal.

    Okay, well, that's enough. I couldn't help my visceral reaction to some of the phrases in your first post. Please excuse me for the harshness toward those ideas. I'll remember it's not who you are.

    Regarding retirement, I go with the moment, the opportunity, and the impulse. I don't retire. I'm interested or I'm not. That's all.

    Quote Originally Posted by easyguy View Post
    You quit the hobby if you progress to affair and beyond or by attrition (aging). Satisfaction you get from intellectual endeavor such as science or art beats sex by a huge margin.
    Sex is incredible, especially when it's with someone who is also so into you/me. Yet, I find the best satisfaction in accomplishing something hard, some sort of real achievement. I think the best kind of sex comes when you know you've really accomplished a very special relationship with an another person where sex is just one of the very special elements. In regard to views like those in the sentiments by NWA, I hope I've never been a selfish TAKER like the values they portray. It's far more satisfying when I've been able to help people feel good about themselves...NOT use them for my selfish needs.

    Cheers,

    Merlot

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    Merlot - I recently learned that some girls like rough sex. I also learned that I enjoy it too. One prominent Montreal SP told me that all girls have a rape fantasy. I questioned her. I said "all girls?" She answered "Well 85%." She taught me to be rough and she taught me how to properly put my hand around her neck and choke her while we were fucking. We had a great session. She was such a lady and I was such a gentleman before and after the sex. I found another girl in Vegas who was so into this. I must admit, I would like to be dominated by an SP. After all, turnabout is fair play.

    I love woman and I prefer to treat each one of them like a Princess. However, when the bedroom door is closed and the clothing is off I love all the games including the SP that wants to be dominated and treated like a complete whore. Just like you said, I love role play....End of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hungry101 View Post
    Merlot - I recently learned that some girls like rough sex. I also learned that I enjoy it too. One prominent Montreal SP told me that all girls have a rape fantasy. I questioned her. I said "all girls?" She answered "Well 85%." She taught me to be rough and she taught me how to properly put my hand around her neck and choke her while we were fucking. We had a great session. She was such a lady and I was such a gentleman before and after the sex. I found another girl in Vegas who was so into this. I must admit, I would like to be dominated by an SP. After all, turnabout is fair play.
    I also tend to think that most women, and not only SPs, prefer bad and rough guys. Nature made us like this. I had SPs telling me to slap their buttocks hard because they have been very bad. Being a gentleman prior and after the encounter and let all the passion come out during sex, otherwise things will be very boring. It is fun when all is done with respect.

    As for the statement "Life ain't nothing but money and bitches" I condone it if toned down to "Life ain't almost nothing but money and bitches" and if the word "bitches" is taken in the general sense. After all in this life almost everyone is behaving as the bitch of somebody else in order to make a living: employees being bitches of their employers and self-employed people behaving like bitches to their customers. It is very rare to meet independent and free people nowadays, unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HornyForEver View Post
    I also tend to think that most women, and not only SPs, prefer bad and rough guys. Nature made us like this. I had SPs telling me to slap their buttocks hard because they have been very bad. Being a gentleman prior and after the encounter and let all the passion come out during sex, otherwise things will be very boring. It is fun when all is done with respect.

    As for the statement "Life ain't nothing but money and bitches" I condone it if toned down to "Life ain't almost nothing but money and bitches" and if the word "bitches" is taken in the general sense. After all in this life almost everyone is behaving as the bitch of somebody else in order to make a living: employees being bitches of their employers and self-employed people behaving like bitches to their customers. It is very rare to meet independent and free people nowadays, unfortunately.
    You would not make a very good rapper, dude. Spank her butt, once you make sure she really wants it and do it with the utmost respect, and it is okay to say bitch but in a general sense only, just would not sound right in a rap song.

    One of my fondest college memories in the dorm involved the black guys who would constantly play a rap song called Bull Sex which had the lyric "And I would put my dick in and it would get stuck". Once I was walking through the lobby and I saw a relieved look on the faces of some visiting white parents when they saw a clean cut white kid even though the offensive rap song was loudly playing throughout the dorm, I mean these guys had some serious speakers! So I started singing along with the song to get the relieved look off of their faces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patron View Post
    You would not make a very good rapper, dude. Spank her butt, once you make sure she really wants it and do it with the utmost respect, and it is okay to say bitch but in a general sense only, just would not sound right in a rap song.
    Too bad, I always wanted to be a rapper , oh well. So, would you recommend spanking SPs' humps without asking them for permission? I fear that many will face the same reaction as the one that Ben Stiller had from Jennifer Aniston after following his friend Philip Seymour Hoffman's advice in Along Came Polly. I never said calling an SP a bitch was OK.

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    No, like you I always ask first. I was just saying that any reference to respect or politeness is rarely heard in rap lyrics.

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