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Thread: It's Official Canada has adopted Nordic Model Prostitution Law

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    It's Official Canada has adopted Nordic Model Prostitution Law

    If this law get's passed allot of agency's will be shut down. Law will go after pimps and Johns.

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    And I read they will make publicity for exchange of money for sex illegal..sigh,because they said that ''all women in the sex trade are victims who do not know what's good for them,and all want out..'' grrr

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    That is bad but not unexpected news.

    But I love the quote by Henry Miller. I was a big fan of his books even as an adolescent. His books were banned in North America until the 1960's.

    The next federal election cannot come too soon so we can boot out these science and sex-hating Conservatives and bring in Justin Trudeau's Liberals or Thomas Mulcair's New Democrats.

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    If they really do go after Johns, this forum will be a prime target for police to dive into...
    As for agencies, the Minister in his remarks said that the test would be whether or not the hired staff was exploiting the women. We have always been very careful not to put ourselves in an "exploitation" position but I doubt cops will see it that way. We treat this like any other business and I know we do a lot of good on many levels... but running an incall will now be almost impossible. The Chablis and cie will become very crowded I fear...
    Basically, the government is acting like a child by introducing legislation they know fully well goes against the Supreme Court ruling, in essence saying "at least we'll get our way while you go back to court to overturn the new law".
    I'm VERY curious to know what everyone here thinks because I feel not many JOHNs have spoken out...

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    Sad day for freedom, sad day for Canada, and dad day for our taxes which will be spent on enforcing this ridiculous legislation instead of chasing down those doing human trafficking who should be the real target.

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    My first reading of the portions of the law pertaining to the government's ability to obtain and use website data as part of a criminal charge left me stunned. Maybe I read too much into it, but it seemed to ignore the concepts of Freedom of Speech that protects so much of the advertising and escort review sites in the U.S., even when an offshore server is not utilized. I will be quite interested in E.B.'s thoughts on the subject. As I said, I may be over-analyzing it. But Jesus, implements to tie her up with are now a weapon. Hell, we have tons of perfectly LEGAL S&M clubs in the U.S. with submissive sex workers who are into bondage. I guess maybe the "against their will" language would separate legal consensual bondage versus illegal activity with the weapon (rope), but a first reading makes if appear that Canada has gone off of the deep end with respect to sex.

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    ''(b) create an offence that prohibits receiving a material benefit that derived
    from the commission of an offence referred to in paragraph (a);''

    Am I reading that right, and does that criminalize the selling of sex? So it's not a Nordic Model at all? From my understanding of what I read it looks like full criminalization.

    Combine this bill with the cyber-bullying bill and we might just as well close the internet....

    Do they define anywhere what is a sexual service?
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    Siocnarf, do you think that is consistent with the thought that all sex workers are being sold by someone other than themselves? She of course could not possibly be the seller and the sex worker and the person who retains the profits, even if she created her own website and answers her own phone & emails. Could the same person be guilty of selling sex and a victim of being a prostitute? During her psychology sessions designed to help her exit her victimized lifestyle, do they treat her for multiple personality disorder? Maybe the "seller of sex" persona gets a reduction in criminal charges for mitigating circumstances if that persona really liked her prostitute persona.

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    I didn't read carefully enough; there is a line saying:
    ''286.5 (1) No person shall be prosecuted for (a) an offence under section 286.2 if the benefit is derived from the provision of their own sexual services; or (b) an offence under section 286.4 in relation to the advertisement of their own sexual services.''

    So selling would be legal I guess.

    Would offering your service constitute a crime in that you are inciting someone to commit a crime?
    “Truth, Justice, Freedom, Reasonably Priced Love.”

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    We need to put a face to the "Johns" and "Pimps" and "Victims" they accuse us all of being...

    I know I can't do anything alone... but couldnt we possible plan a march before this law passes?
    I feel powerless but I want to do wht I can to not let this happen...

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielrich View Post
    The next federal election cannot come too soon so we can boot out these science and sex-hating Conservatives and bring in Justin Trudeau's Liberals or Thomas Mulcair's New Democrats.
    Trudeau is also in favor of the Nordic model. This is a funny picture:
    http://maggiemcneill.files.wordpress...in-canada1.png
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    It seems that the government wishes to punish you uppity whores* for daring to challenge their laws in court! Sniveling bullshit! Here's hoping that the new laws don't pass, or failing that get shot down immediately in court. But most of all, here's hoping that my dear old friends in Canada won't be damaged by this seemingly draconian change.

    Best wishes and good luck to you all!

    *I use this word with unadulterated affection, in the Maggie McNeill sense.
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    It is really up to the Stella organization and the other organizations in place that fight for the rights of sex workers to challenge this law in court. I am not very familiar with the statutory, constitutional and/or common law grounds that may serve as a basis for challenging it. In the USA, prosecutions against the owners of the adult website bigdoggie.net were successfully thrown out on various constitutional grounds (including violation of the right to a speedy trial). However since the law assumes victimization of all sex workers that assumption stands unless challenged.

    Doesn't Canada have a Civil Liberties Union of some kind that Stella can hire or do they have their own counsel?

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    I've read most of the whole thing, but it is hard to interpret.

    Well, it will be illegal to advertise or buy ''sexual services'', but they do not define what it is. It's like saying you can't buy drugs and letting police and judges decide witch substances are illegal or not. Also they do not define what constitutes ''obtaining for consideration'' (buying).

    The way I see it, so long as escorts services do not advertise sex explicitly, there's nothing they can do against agencies. I think they do not say anything about having sex with someone that you are currently paying for a different service.

    I'm curious to see how it will be received by other politicians.
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    According to Bill Clinton a blow job is not a sexual service. Get him on the bench as your judge and you are all set.

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