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    Will all the escort websites in Canada disappear on December 1st?

    New anti "John" law going through senate hearings now. Conservatives have to push it through by December. So starting December 1st I imagine websites like G4U and Wildtimes will be illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jons242 View Post
    New anti "John" law going through senate hearings now. Conservatives have to push it through by December. So starting December 1st I imagine websites like G4U and Wildtimes will be illegal.
    Server's will be moved in escort friendly jurisdictions!
    Merb has done it girls 4U also!
    The rest that wants to stay active will have to follow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jons242 View Post
    New anti "John" law going through senate hearings now. Conservatives have to push it through by December. So starting December 1st I imagine websites like G4U and Wildtimes will be illegal.
    Yes, much like they've all disappeared in the US. . Here in NYC I can't keep up with the number of available SP's. And contrary to Canadian belief, not all of the hotties are $350 or $400/hour, and I think the scene is as active as Montreal.

    The politics around C 36 suck, and some pols and LE will try to exploit it and garner some PR and media buzz with some busts, but as I said, I think little will change. Check out websites like jewels of NYC escorts and jays angels escorts in NYC and then tell me how Canadian escort sites will disappear.

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    If purchasing time and presence is illegal, then the attorneys, chartered accountants and therapists also need to take their websites down on December 1.

    What will be interesting is the potential changes to communications. I doubt that acronyms such as BBBJTC will continue to appear on the websites, but who knows.

    In the States, most providers will not discuss services until the customer is screened, and most are reluctant to do so even afterwords. As a consequence, review sites such as TER are incredibly important for the customer to gather information. Some US escort sites provide links to TER reviews, but an important aspect of TER is that the reviews are fictional writing.

    Of course the US full criminality laws are different than the C-86 system of providing immunity for the service provider, so it is hard to predict the Canadian provider response. From a game theory standpoint, it is actually easier to navigate a full criminality system since all parties, the John, the Provider, and anyone assisting the Provider has a strong incentive to keep the cops out of the picture.

    The interesting question to me is whether Canada will go to a screening system to exclude the cops. I have my doubts since the Independents have no incentive to do so. The agencies will have incentive to institute screening but it would put them at a competitive disadvantage against the Independents. And Canadian locals are not accustomed to providing screening information.

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    The thing is for us the "vets" it won't change... We already have our independant favorites, our favorite agencies, they know you, and all will remain the same... for the time being. Of course escorts don't stay for 20 years in the business, and agencies come and go(altough thanksfully some remain in business a long time)

    The thing is the new guys... for them it may be different, but i doubt the website themselves will change that much, the way of booking for them may. The thing is... its hard to define prostitution. Everytime i saw bust in the US its a cop posing as a street walker, she offer john the services for money, he agree, they bust him. Would the police really persecute johns who receive in there hotel room? And what if no money exchange really happen? Lets say i let the money in the bathroom under the counter in an envelope.. what prove i paid the girl for sexual services? Hell if a regular give money to his GF for restaurant and shopping and they have sex in the bathroom, could they be prosecuted for prostitution?

    The whole thing has to be clear and all for the charges to remain... i doubt regular johns doing outcalls especially risk anything...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halloween Mike View Post
    The thing is the new guys... for them it may be different, but i doubt the website themselves will change that much, the way of booking for them may. ...
    When I started, I didn't know anything about the law, about merb or how things worked. I don't think it will change much for the new guys, especially those who find merb and can now learn stuff before starting.
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    you are probably right, but i was extremely carefull when i started, thinking it was illegal and all, i learned it was not. Now new member will know its illegal in a way
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halloween Mike View Post
    you are probably right, but i was extremely carefull when i started, thinking it was illegal and all, i learned it was not. Now new member will know its illegal in a way
    The word tolorated is better they say legal .
    The complexity of proving the crime (haha) witch if money exchange for sex is vey complicated not sex itself and their no law restricting the amount of boyfriend a lady can have .
    I was investigated by the RCMP since I am such a good boy and had me under surveillance 24/7 and arrested me for things not related to escorts and they where teasing me about the amount of girlfriends I had ,they and did not care !I said to the sargent arresting me I was not jealous I could share one of my girlfriends with him .He declined .Hummmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by BookerL View Post
    Server's will be moved in escort friendly jurisdictions!
    Merb has done it girls 4U also!
    The rest that wants to stay active will have to follow!

    Kind Regards

    Booker
    Are you sure the owners of the websites will be shielded from prosecution? The subject of the advertising would be in Canada. In the US, the defense to charges of promoting prostitution via advertising has been the First Amendment freedom of speech clause. This defense has been successful. Bigdoggie.net is one example.
    So when will Hillary go to Prison?

    Only the Democrats would have a potential CONVICT as their Top Presidential Candidate. Simply Pathetic

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    I suppose the owner could be prosecuted, but things might be more difficult to prove. They have no authority to collect evidence of offshore activities. Can they even prove who is the owner of an offshore website? My guess is they would not prosecute unless they had a serious reason to do it (more serious crimes involved).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siocnarf View Post
    I suppose the owner could be prosecuted, but things might be more difficult to prove. They have no authority to collect evidence of offshore activities. Can they even prove who is the owner of an offshore website? My guess is they would not prosecute unless they had a serious reason to do it (more serious crimes involved).
    Are you sure of what you are saying? Many countries have expedition and evidence sharing treaties with other countries. It is illegal for US citizens to travel using their passport for purposes of underaged sex. The crime is committed in another country yet the person faces charges in his or her home country and the host country, if applicable. I bet Canada has a similar law.

    I don't they will go after the server owner, but rather the owner of the website, who is doing the actual advertising. The government will probably try to make examples. I don't know the Freedom of Speech laws in Canada and how it applies to advertising.
    So when will Hillary go to Prison?

    Only the Democrats would have a potential CONVICT as their Top Presidential Candidate. Simply Pathetic

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    Quote Originally Posted by daydreamer41 View Post
    Are you sure of what you are saying?
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    I don't they will go after the server owner, but rather the owner of the website, who is doing the actual advertising.
    I am not certain of anything on that; just speculating. I am not certain how easy it is to legally identify the Canadian owner of a website that is outside of Canada. I'm sure if they really want to get proof on an offshore website they can probably do it. However, I think it is not as straightforward as if it is in Canada. It's unlikely they would waste time on that except for an important situation.
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    Hmmm,

    Quote Originally Posted by BookerL View Post
    The complexity of proving the crime (haha) witch if money exchange for sex is vey complicated not sex itself and their no law restricting the amount of boyfriend a lady can have .

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    Aren't the most vulnerable still going to be those connected to the agencies, owners, phone handlers, escorts, drivers, party organizers and associates? In order to get to the johns they are going to have to focus on the links that bring them in besides the board.



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    Quote Originally Posted by daydreamer41 View Post
    Are you sure of what you are saying? Many countries have expedition and evidence sharing treaties with other countries. It is illegal for US citizens to travel using their passport for purposes of underaged sex. The crime is committed in another country yet the person faces charges in his or her home country and the host country, if applicable. I bet Canada has a similar law.

    I don't they will go after the server owner, but rather the owner of the website, who is doing the actual advertising. The government will probably try to make examples. I don't know the Freedom of Speech laws in Canada and how it applies to advertising.
    There is a big difference between could and will. The offshore barrier is not ironclad in the US either, but it provides such an impediment that it practically keeps local and even federal law enforcement from accessing enough information to use as evidence in court. The way I understand it, many extradition treaties only readily allow for the transfer of information pertaining to an act that is illegal in both countries, otherwise more hoops must be jumped through. This is why TER is in the Netherlands.

    Law enforcement in the U.S. does not try to access this information due to the hassles. Presumably Canada will be the same, but no one knows for sure. If not, that would make the Canadian legal system more fucked-up than the U.S., which would really be something to behold.

    Countries readily share data on under-aged sex and the US government has specific laws pertaining to travel for under-aged sex and they will jump through the hoops to obtain prosecution data for those cases. And most countries readily cooperate. But advertising and reviews pertaining to consensual sex between adults is viewed differently by law enforcement agencies and the countries hosting the websites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobinnyc View Post
    Check out websites like jewels of NYC escorts and jays angels escorts in NYC and then tell me how Canadian escort sites will disappear.
    You forgot to mention Belle de Jour. Holy shit! I think they have the hottest girls in the world... They are in the $300 to $400 range, but, phew! That would be "bdj girls" for you googlers & potential tourists...

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