View Poll Results: How will Bill C-36 affect your hobbying?

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  • No change for me. The chances of getting caught are pretty slim.

    20 21.05%
  • I will continue, but will make adjustments to reduce my risks of getting caught.

    28 29.47%
  • I will lie low for a while to see if and how the law will be applied here.

    33 34.74%
  • That's it for me. I'm out of here. I was thinking of quitting any way.

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Thread: How will Bill C-36 affect your hobbying?

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    Question How will Bill C-36 affect your hobbying?

    Bill C-36, which criminalizes the buying of sex has now passed. How will this affect your hobbying?

    1. No change for me. The chances of getting caught are pretty slim.
    2. I will continue, but will make adjustments to reduce my risks of getting caught.
    3. I will lie low for a while to see if and how the law will be applied here.
    4. That's it for me. I was thinking of quitting any way.
    5. Other. Please post your answer, unless you prefer to remain anonymous.

    This is an anonymous poll.

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    After my upcoming trip I won't have plans to return to Canada in a hobbying capacity. Its a shame because there were so many providers, both in Montreal and Toronto, that I wanted to see. My job takes me to Europe 3-4 times a year so I will make the adjustment to Eastern European and German providers.

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    Consider i operate in a very safe way, as in calling from a small quiet hotel, not known to the LE, also the staff know me well and i think like to have my business, and finally that i stick to the same 2-3 agencies, and a couple indies i know are safe, well the chances for me for having problems with it are minimal.

    I still think they need to prove the situation... and that wouldn't be an easy task.

    But that being said i was thinking of taking a change in my hobbying. Nothing to do with the law, but just because i need to take back my life a bit. This hobby is costing me too much money, i am over budget. So i decided that GG6 will be my last time this year, and i will take an undetermined break after that, i hope to at least febuary. Probably around the next GG or MTLGFE GT, depending wich one happen before and at wich time.

    I also decided to lower the number of meeting i will have total next year. I got a game plan i hope to be able to follow, and pay my debts and eventually be able to do the things i want to do in life. Anyway, this ain't not done yet, but i hope to be able to follow what i have in mind, but the new stupid law certainly ain't the killswitch for me.
    Life is a party ! Death is the Hangover.. 70-49-6

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    Incidentally when will the new law take effect?

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    My understanding is that it went to Royal Assent around the 5th of this month (ironically enough) and after that there's a 30 day grace period.

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    On Terb they said December 6th.
    So when will Hillary go to Prison?

    Only the Democrats would have a potential CONVICT as their Top Presidential Candidate. Simply Pathetic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halloween Mike View Post
    Consider i operate in a very safe way, as in calling from a small quiet hotel, not known to the LE, also the staff know me well and i think like to have my business, and finally that i stick to the same 2-3 agencies, and a couple indies i know are safe, well the chances for me for having problems with it are minimal.

    I still think they need to prove the situation... and that wouldn't be an easy task.
    I agree. Unless you're a complete dummy about it, getting arrested for doing this is nearly impossible.

    I'll add this: even if I got arrested, I think a lot of people in my life would be happily surprised to discover that all this time I've been sleeping with beautiful women rather than hanging around at home masturbating. So, maybe there can even be an upside to getting arrested! Don't worry about it. Just live your life...

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    I agree, the possibility of arrest is very low. But don’t trick yourself, there is huge psychological difference in doing something legal even not approved by the majority of population or participating in what defined by law as illegal, criminal activity. This exposes you for potential blackmail not only from criminals but your former ex, business partners, neighbors etc., etc. People of affluence and considerable wealth will worry the most. The attraction of Montreal to US hobbyists will decrease substantially.

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    Quote Originally Posted by easyguy View Post
    I agree, the possibility of arrest is very low. But don’t trick yourself, there is huge psychological difference in doing something legal even not approved by the majority of population or participating in what defined by law as illegal, criminal activity. This exposes you for potential blackmail not only from criminals but your former ex, business partners, neighbors etc., etc. People of affluence and considerable wealth will worry the most. The attraction of Montreal to US hobbyists will decrease substantially.
    Agreed. Especially since the new law would only find one of the two parties at fault. Bait & switch operators could now not only scam you, but they can blackmail you as well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by easyguy View Post
    I agree, the possibility of arrest is very low. But don’t trick yourself, there is huge psychological difference in doing something legal even not approved by the majority of population or participating in what defined by law as illegal, criminal activity. This exposes you for potential blackmail not only from criminals but your former ex, business partners, neighbors etc., etc. People of affluence and considerable wealth will worry the most. The attraction of Montreal to US hobbyists will decrease substantially.
    I am skeptical that there are many U.S. Hobbyists that monger only in Montreal as a result of it being legal there and/or because the risk of blackmail is lower. People figure out pretty quickly that guys like to have sex with a wide variety of women, and most people do not care. I think blackmail only occurs in really bad Prime Time TV shows with a naive target audience. Perhaps I am wrong, though. Please post if you only monger in Montreal for legal/blackmail reasons.

    The primary appeal of Montreal over the U.S., given the ease of obtaining commercial sex in the U.S. is, in my opinion:

    The much lower prices for a comparable level of service.
    The availability of relatively younger women.
    The assurance that if someone flakes, the massive supply will still allow him to recover and still get great service.
    The ability to go to a European-like destination and getting a mini-vacation.

    C-36 has the possibility of changing items 1-3. Hot young girls are only going to do this and stick with it if the money is good. Traditional economics of a fixed store location does not apply here. It is a transient service business. If demand goes down, the price of a hot girl will go up to allow her to earn enough. If she still doesn't earn enough, she will look for alternatives like the Sugar Daddy route or a job that allows her to flaunt it for tips.

    If there is a crackdown on agencies, the supply will go down, and fewer relatively younger women will incur the high fixed costs and enormous hassle of advertising and scheduling and transporting themselves to the customer. And if they do, those high fixed costs are going to get passed on to customers. It does now, but the economies of scale enjoyed by a large agency will not exist.

    There is a lot more to worry about than the unlikely events of arrest or blackmail. Montreal has long has the best pricing for the desired experience in North America. Time will tell if that changes.

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    When I lived in the US the primary reason I would hobby in Montreal was legality. When I moved overseas I would comeback to Montreal because of my ATF and a sense of familiarity. Between my ATF retiring and C-36 there is nothing to keep me here. I've already gotten used to the idea of mongering in Europe and will see 3 different women over 5 days in Paris on my way back from Montreal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patron View Post
    C-36 has the possibility of changing items 1-3. Hot young girls are only going to do this and stick with it if the money is good. Traditional economics of a fixed store location does not apply here. It is a transient service business. If demand goes down, the price of a hot girl will go up to allow her to earn enough. If she still doesn't earn enough, she will look for alternatives like the Sugar Daddy route or a job that allows her to flaunt it for tips.

    If there is a crackdown on agencies, the supply will go down, and fewer relatively younger women will incur the high fixed costs and enormous hassle of advertising and scheduling and transporting themselves to the customer. And if they do, those high fixed costs are going to get passed on to customers. It does now, but the economies of scale enjoyed by a large agency will not exist.

    There is a lot more to worry about than the unlikely events of arrest or blackmail. Montreal has long has the best pricing for the desired experience in North America. Time will tell if that changes.
    100% agree. Montreal will continue to be the paradise it is if the demand stay high and so if people wont get to scary about this new harmless law..
    Find what you love, and let it kill you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rollingstone View Post
    Agreed. Especially since the new law would only find one of the two parties at fault. Bait & switch operators could now not only scam you, but they can blackmail you as well!
    The bigger fish is always the one of interest !
    How can a Bait&Switch escort agency operator can Blackmail with this new law ,he is also committing a crime without the blackmail?


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    Quote Originally Posted by lgna69xxx View Post
    Why would anything need to change? I mean i can't speak for others but if i call to see a SP it is for company first and foremost and whatever happens behind closed doors between two consenting adults is private and between just those 2 adults. Of course i am talking about seeing reputable Indy's and seeing ladies only from reputable Agencies...... gone are the days of "taking a chance" on craigslist and backpage.

    I assume tho that many guys will be scared no doubt and stop for awhile and then after some time they likely will see only their favorite Indy's and use only Agencies they trust with good reputations from Merb but isn't that the norm anyways for most here?

    This is what's nice about having all these GT's the last 2 years, it has developed friendships and or some sort of trust between guys and girls in this industry and opened a whole new stream of good and useful information about who you CAN trust and who you CAN'T as well it has provided much more insight from many different perspectives on all things "hobbyland" that you cannot get (or trust) by not meeting face to face with the people you are dealing with
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    Hi all


    A big congrats on your efforts Igana ,However a arrest has a tendency to brake friendships .Knowing other hobbyist might backfire ?
    When someone has never been arrested it is very hard to predict how he will react and feel about his arrest and what he will be willing to do ,to have the charges dropped or reduced .
    Police investigators are specialist in stirring shit amongst people ,to gather infos they will intimidate and pretend heavy sentences or penalties ,It is predictable already that hobbyist escort operators drivers etc ..that where never arrested will crack under pressure and provide names and situations and valid leads .


    I was myself arrested so many times that I don't even remember the full count .
    I still have no criminal record ,but I am well known by LE !
    Each time that your are shackled a lot goes through your mind and not necessarily fantasy land .
    The theories of the law and conduct of Law enforcement are two different things .
    Many times they do not respect the law .And when you are in the shafter you are scared its a normal human feeling !
    further more many hobbyist escort operators etc... have never spoken to a Canadian criminal lawyer in there life ,
    When the tide hits it does shake the temple of belief !

    Good Luck to all




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    Quote Originally Posted by lgna69xxx View Post
    Why would anything need to change? I mean i can't speak for others but if i call to see a SP it is for company first and foremost and whatever happens behind closed doors between two consenting adults is private and between just those 2 adults. Of course i am talking about seeing reputable Indy's and seeing ladies only from reputable Agencies...... gone are the days of "taking a chance" on craigslist and backpage.

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    Because of one SP i met at a party and became friends with, i now have several of her sp friends and or friends of their friends who i can see by simply calling or texting or emailing and simply saying "i would like to see you on such and such a date" and never once discuss money or services other than in person behind closed doors, face to face. There are also many guys i have met where the same things happened pertaining to them providng me info on other trustworthy ladies and so on with many others and to which i give back the same. It is a network of good hobby people, not the low life scum of the streets that c36 is mainly targetting IMHO.
    As much as I have respect for the old boyz’ Montreal hobby club, you overestimate its economical impact on Montreal hobby industry. For the occasional hobbyist that visits Montreal on business, including numerous conferences, symposia and other meetings, the local law on prostitution is of primary importance when he considers calling escorts. The depletion of this market segment will be painful for the industry with consequences that are difficult to predict (rising or falling prices, reduction in available “talent” etc)

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