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    Bill Clinton And The Pedophile

    Bill sure knows how to pick his friends.

    http://endoftheamericandream.com/arc...tial-ambitions

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    I get sick of the media's politically motivated sensationalist bullshit. Not only is there no proof that Prince Andrew or President Clinton had sex with underaged women, but the primary female in question was a jet setting 17 year old. While Epstein certainly went way too young, if you read the case you will find that one of the reasons the court was lenient on him was that the teenagers who went to his mansion in their own cars and were paid quite well for the services they consented to. Most U.S. states have an age of consent of 16 or 17 for non commercial sex, but raise the penalty for prostitution if she is not 18, which was what Epstein was convicted for.

    I think it does a disservice to call it pedophilia when the young woman in question is a teenager participating in a commercial sex act on her own accord. Pedophilia is wrong, but it is sex with a child. These women were not children.

    Plenty of guys here see 18 year olds from escort services. Would anyone really want to be called a pedophile if she turned out to be a 16 or 17 year old using her older sister's ID? On the same token, hopefully none of us would consummate the transaction if a true child showed up at the door, or even if we knew she was underage.

    But the guilt by association in an article like this and the constant use of the word pedophile is just media sensationalism. I am not condoning what Epstein did, but these types of articles piss me off.

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    Why would Clinton hang around with a man convicted of having sex with a 14 year old? Would you?

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    No, but I believe that Clinton severed contact after the allegations surfaced, as did Donald Trump and Prince Andrew. Alan Dershowitz hung around to help with legal matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patron View Post
    Not only is there no proof that Prince Andrew or President Clinton had sex with underaged women, but the primary female in question was a jet setting 17 year old. While Epstein certainly went way too young, if you read the case you will find that one of the reasons the court was lenient on him was that the teenagers who went to his mansion in their own cars and were paid quite well for the services they consented to. Most U.S. states have an age of consent of 16 or 17 for non commercial sex, but raise the penalty for prostitution if she is not 18, which was what Epstein was convicted for..
    You see nothing wrong with men in positions of high authority paying girls young enough to be their grandchildren for sex? Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patron View Post
    I get sick of the media's politically motivated sensationalist bullshit. Not only is there no proof that Prince Andrew or President Clinton had sex with underaged women, but the primary female in question was a jet setting 17 year old. While Epstein certainly went way too young, if you read the case you will find that one of the reasons the court was lenient on him was that the teenagers who went to his mansion in their own cars and were paid quite well for the services they consented to. Most U.S. states have an age of consent of 16 or 17 for non commercial sex, but raise the penalty for prostitution if she is not 18, which was what Epstein was convicted for.
    Quote Originally Posted by blkone View Post
    You see nothing wrong with men in positions of high authority paying girls young enough to be their grandchildren for sex? Really?
    I have the same question for Patron. The Felony count of soliciting prostitution that Epstein was convicted for involved a 14-year-old girl. The grand jury did receive evidence of other girls under 18 but not as young as 14 that Epstein paid for sexual services. He was not indicted for those counts. And Epstein is a registered sex offender.

    As for Prince Andrew and anyone else accused, there is a suit that has been brought against Prince Andrew and now a counter-suit against Alan Dershowitz. We'll have to see where it goes. You can't blame the media for covering it giving the lurid history of Prince Andrew, Stephen Hawking and Bill Clinton's friend, Jeffrey Epstein.
    So when will Hillary go to Prison?

    Only the Democrats would have a potential CONVICT as their Top Presidential Candidate. Simply Pathetic

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    I would certainly prefer a world in which all sex workers were 18 or over, but when a case occurs when they are not, a certain level of judgement has to come into play as to mitigating circumstances. I can see a difference between the punishment for a high school volleyball coach seducing a 17 year old and telling her he loves her, versus a 17 year-old who drives herself to a guy's house with the knowledge that she is going to perform a consensual sex act for compensation. That is what I was trying to point out regarding why Epstein's sentence was relatively lenient. The court appeared to accept those mitigating circumstances and allowed him to plead to soliciting an underage prostitute. We all, hopefully, disapprove of sex with a minor, but not every case is exactly the same.

    There is no evidence that Clinton or Prince Andrew participated in any sex act, especially any sex act with a minor. So the media should not try to insinuate something with no proof.

    With respect to compensated sex by a person with someone young enough to be his daughter, what the hell kind of comment is that on an escort message board? That scenario happens every few hours in the Review Thread. Do you guys think politicians and Royals should not be treated the same as us? If so, I do not think I would like the kind of politicians that would be elected - they might all be like Mackay and say everyone doing a review is a pervert or something like that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Octavian View Post
    Why would Clinton hang around with a man convicted of having sex with a 14 year old? Would you?
    Patron, one more time. Do you condone a man paying to have sexual contact with a 14-year-old? This girl that Epstein got convicted for was 14, not 17.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...goes-free.html

    The Palm Beach Police Department identified 17 local girls who had contact with Epstein before the age of consent; the youngest was 14, and many were younger than 16. And that was just at one of Epstein’s many homes around the world—he also owns property in New York, Santa Fe, Paris, London, and the Caribbean. Subsequent investigation by the FBI, reaching as far back as 2001, indentified roughly 40 victims, not counting Nadia Marcinkova, whom Epstein referred to as his “Yugoslavian sex slave” because he had imported her from the Balkans at age 14. Now 24, Marcinkova became a member of the household and is alleged to have participated in the sexual contact with underage girls.
    Quote Originally Posted by Patron View Post
    I would certainly prefer a world in which all sex workers were 18 or over, but when a case occurs when they are not, a certain level of judgement has to come into play as to mitigating circumstances. I can see a difference between the punishment for a high school volleyball coach seducing a 17 year old and telling her he loves her, versus a 17 year-old who drives herself to a guy's house with the knowledge that she is going to perform a consensual sex act for compensation. That is what I was trying to point out regarding why Epstein's sentence was relatively lenient. The court appeared to accept those mitigating circumstances and allowed him to plead to soliciting an underage prostitute. We all, hopefully, disapprove of sex with a minor, but not every case is exactly the same.

    There is no evidence that Clinton or Prince Andrew participated in any sex act, especially any sex act with a minor. So the media should not try to insinuate something with no proof.

    With respect to compensated sex by a person with someone young enough to be his daughter, what the hell kind of comment is that on an escort message board? That scenario happens every few hours in the Review Thread. Do you guys think politicians and Royals should not be treated the same as us? If so, I do not think I would like the kind of politicians that would be elected - they might all be like Mackay and say everyone doing a review is a pervert or something like that!
    So when will Hillary go to Prison?

    Only the Democrats would have a potential CONVICT as their Top Presidential Candidate. Simply Pathetic

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    No I have said in every friggin post that I do not condone his actions. But I merely pointed out that mitigating circumstances exist to not call him a pedophile, like the priests who preyed on kids. If I recall reading the more balanced reporting, the girls were all friends at the local high school and the 14 year old hung around with the older girls who were a fast crowd. They all knew what they were being paid to do, and went to his place on their own free will.

    And if I also recall correctly, the 17 year old who is now suing made statements that she enjoyed the rather glamorous life of hanging around celebrities and traveling the world. Now that she can make some money filing a lawsuit, she is doing so.

    I do not like the media. Do you really think this reporting is fair and balanced? We would not hear about some local Florida guy who did this if he were not rich and did not have newsworthy friends.


    Quote Originally Posted by daydreamer41 View Post
    Patron, one more time. Do you condone a man paying to have sexual contact with a 14-year-old? This girl that Epstein got convicted for was 14, not 17.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...goes-free.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patron View Post
    I would certainly prefer a world in which all sex workers were 18 or over, but when a case occurs when they are not, a certain level of judgement has to come into play as to mitigating circumstances. I can see a difference between the punishment for a high school volleyball coach seducing a 17 year old and telling her he loves her, versus a 17 year-old who drives herself to a guy's house with the knowledge that she is going to perform a consensual sex act for compensation. That is what I was trying to point out regarding why Epstein's sentence was relatively lenient. The court appeared to accept those mitigating circumstances and allowed him to plead to soliciting an underage prostitute. We all, hopefully, disapprove of sex with a minor, but not every case is exactly the same.

    I too hate the fucking media with a passion. When I think of the media images appear of the pool of 36 reporters and photographers that sat in some parking lot in Ferguson trying to incite a dozen "protesters" at 2am to do something newsworthy. The media got their wish when the grand jury decided not to indite...but I digress.

    I agree with Patron. This doesn't sound very innocent to me. Remember a few years ago when the media was running stories about thousands of underage dancers in the Atlanta area alone. They start dancing in clubs at 14 and then it is on to prostitution by 16. Bull shit! There was s discussion on TER. We all felt that we could distinguish a 14-15 year old from an adult and yet none of us remembered seeing an obvious underage girl dancing. Then the escorts chimed in that were former dancers. They said that each dancer had to get a license from the state and that license hung in the managers office. Yet, there is a belief among the general public in Atlanta that there are thousands upon thousands of underage dancers and prostitutes in the Atlanta area.

    There are a few underaged prostitutes. Many are cunning, sexually aware girls that have been entrapped by mass marketers and want for all the comforts of capitalism. Their body is a way to get it. This is my belief.

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    Another thing that kills me about the hypocrisy of the media is how articles are written to appeal to those who oppose one or the other political party.

    Roman Polanski had sex with a 13 of 14 year-old in Jack Nicholson's mansion. When asked about it, Jack said he assumed she was over 18. No media story ever suggests boycotting Jack Nicholson movies over the matter. Hell, they continue to give Roman film awards.

    But take a friend of Bill Clinton's who does a similar thing and the articles are all over the place insinuating his involvement. And of course it would be the same if if were a friend of George W. Bush. The media knows it can get an audience from running insinuation articles about politicians, but it does not do the same to its favorite movie stars.

    I point out the need to consider mitigating circumstances not to defend Epstein of his actions, but to illustrate that many of us would want to have mitigating circumstances taken into consideration if any of us were accused of something. If a guy hired a Montreal escort who was 18 and she found herself double-booked and handed the appointment information to her younger sister and the world found out about it, would you really feel it appropriate for all of your friends to abandon you and the world to yell pedophile? Granted Epstein's case is more extreme, but there are fewer black & white lines than many of us would like to admit. Other than in Thailand, there is little custom of checking the lady's ID for age.

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    Patron, here in the States up till this week you could not find an article about this. Only since the Brit royalty got involved, and then Clinton is white washed. If it was the other party it would be a different matter.

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    Octavian, the only thing you are proving is your hate of so-called Libs is so bad you'll do and use anything to smear them.
    Really, I put him on ignore because I thought he was a fucking communist.
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    Let's not mistake this for professionally educated and trained newsmen.

    Merlot
    I trust you read the book "Bias"? I am close to a few people that went to major journalism schools. You had better think one way.

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    The headline reads Bill Clinton And The Pedophile: The Sex Scandal That Could Destroy Hillary’s Presidential Ambitions

    Let's hope the last 4 words come to fruition. As for Willie, his "little Willie" does the thinking for him, always has and always will, thanks a lot Viagra.

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    Actually Saltydog, it was a pretty big case when Epstein was under investigation, at least in the Florida and New York papers.

    Sex cases, particularly involving prostitution, catch my attention and I Google Alert them. This really was a prostitution case since the high school girls were compensated. Good old Dershowitz or one of the other Defense attorneys thought it was appropriate for the Defense in preparation for the trial to mention that the underaged Florida girls boasted at school about the very good money they were earning and how it gave them lots of cash flow for marijuana. This prosecution was going ballistic at this harassment of the victims.

    In a truly bizarre twist, Epstein hired none other than Ken Starr (yes, him) to negotiate with the Justice Department to get the federal government to not file interstate and international trafficking charges as long as he plead guilty to the state felony charge of soliciting an underaged prostitute. It raised the question of just how much Mr. Starr and other attorneys have in common with teenage pot-smoking hookers when enough money is involved.

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