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"Meanwhile, a growing chorus of skeptics say the Rays' real goal is to canoodle with other cities. The list of possible suitors includes Montreal, Portland, Ore., Las Vegas, Charlotte, San Antonio and Nashville.

That's former St. Petersburg Mayor Bill Foster's take. Tampa City Council member Charlie Miranda agrees.

"They never had intentions of coming here," Miranda said at a City Hall meeting Thursday. "It was a ploy to go somewhere else, like Portland, Oregon."

Foster believes the flirtation with Hillsborough County was meant to fail, that it was just a box that needed to be checked so the team could justify looking to other markets.

"So enjoy them while you got them," Foster said to St. Pete residents. "But the clock is ticking and eventually they're going to be gone.""
 

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Could baseball return to Montreal in 2020?

By Danny Gallagher
Canadian Baseball Network

Are you ready for Major League Baseball to return to Montreal in 2020? It could happen.

That old expression "The end is nigh'' might finally suit the Tampa Bay Rays.

The Rays struck out this week in their latest attempt to have a new stadium constructed in Ybor City, meaning Montreal is standing by, at the waiting, to see what will transpire next.

By Dec. 31, the Rays are likely to give up hope of any ballpark plans and they may announce, in conjunction with Major League Baseball, that the 2019 season will be their last in Tampa at creaky old Tropicana Field, thus paving the way for a sale of the franchise to Montreal interests in time for the 2020 season.

Prospective Montreal owner Stephen Bronfman went on the CBC show Daybreak today to say good news was in the air. It sure is.

"We hope to secure a site for a new stadium in the next two months,'' Bronfman told the CBC.

Bronfman and his ownership group are getting the ball moving in the right direction with Olympic Stadium being used as a temporary facility for several seasons.

On Thursday afternoon in an interview with TSN 690 talk-show host Mitch Melnick, Bronfman said, "things are starting to fall into place. We're doing our best to make sure baseball comes back.''

Earlier in the day, Bronfman and his group released a market study that concluded a return of MLB to Montreal would be viable and would generate a high level of interest among fans and the business community in the city.

"Montreal has the market characteristics to support an MLB team effectively over the long term,'' the group said in a statement.

In a Canadian Press story by Frederic Daigle, Bronfman's group said the study places Montreal as the strongest among cities considered potential expansion sites with the largest population, TV market and corporate base and the second-largest median household income.

"We don't really know what is happening in Tampa but it clearly leads us to believe that things could move faster than we thought,'' Bronfman told Daigle. "That's good. But we are also ready for an expansion project.''

Isn't it about time MLB did something about the Rays? Commissioner Rob Manfred has been way too patient with this saga. He has let this situation drag on far too long but finally it appears Montreal may be on the verge of getting a team.

"This tells me that this is the end of the line for the Rays unless a miracle pops up. I don't see them starting all over again,'' Montreal sports reporter Jeremy Filosa told me in an interview. "It took the Rays three years to put this plan together and it failed. In terms of Montreal, you are going to start seeing some real information come out.''

Filosa, who works for 98.5 FM Radio, has been following Montreal's baseball portfolio for close to 20 years and is an investigative reporter, who wrote recently that the Olympic Installations Board was approached by MLB to get the Big O up to "regular-season games ready'' for next March in time for the Blue Jays exhibition games against the Milwaukee Brewers.

When Filosa approached the OIB for comment, the body declined to say anything. The no-comment saga was a surprise to Filosa because the OIB had usually been cooperative in giving him information. Filosa pointed out the OIB has been improving the Big O bit by bit each year since the Jays started playing Spring Training games in Montreal in 2013.

"Montreal is a real gold mine for baseball,'' Filosa said. "A few weeks ago, Portland (Oregon) unveiled their project the day after Oakland unveiled their project. Portland has a zero chance of welcoming the Rays. Portland doesn't have a stadium ready tomorrow morning but Montreal does.''

Filosa said the issue of something very subtle as where a certain train stop near the Peel Basin will be located is also an important part of the equation involving a new stadium that would be built in downtown Montreal.

Filosa's investigative work revealed that the City of Montreal not long ago set aside a lot of land for "quote-unquote a special project,'' meaning a parcel of land big enough to build a baseball park.

"With my contacts at the City of Montreal, I could get a certain confirmation that something would be built there,'' Filosa said.

While Rays managing general partner and principal owner Stuart Sternberg was bemoaning his franchise's "strike two'' failure for a new park at a news conference in Las Vegas at the Winter Meetings, Manfred fired off a letter, blasting Tampa officials for the lack of cooperation on a project. There was no mention of Montreal at Sternberg's presser but optimists like Filosa were enthused about Montreal's chances coming to fruition soon.

Filosa said he wouldn't be surprised if Sternberg, a Wall St. investor, and Bronfman have already chatted about a relocation of the Rays to Montreal. Both are Jewish gentlemen so it would propel the theory that they have talked infrequently, if not frequently, about a transfer of the team. Who knows, maybe they talked about Sternberg retaining a small percentage of ownership in the Montreal franchise.

"They really have a good relationship. They've met before,'' Filosa said about Sternberg and Bronfman. "Let's be clear here: there is no way Manfred wants to do this over again the next couple of years with the Rays' situation. He's saying,''

The Rays' franchise is highly regarded for seemingly fielding a competitive team despite a small payroll and owns a highly touted scouting and player-development system but plays in a terrible stadium where fan interest is almost non-existent.

"If you think crowds were small for Rays games the past five years, now that the death watch is officially on in Tampa for real, the crowds will now fit in a phone booth or a transit shelter,'' joked Montrealer Joel Kirstein, who has lived and worked in Dallas for a number of years.

If indeed the Rays were moved to Montreal, they would be competitive from the get-go, as compared to an expansion team starting from scratch. If the Rays were transferred to Montreal, it's very likely their esteemed manager Kevin Cash would be the Montreal manager because he is under contract until 2024.

A new team would play at Olympic Stadium for a few years but Filosa made this interesting point: the Big O will be shut down in 2023 to make way for a new roof to be installed.

"They would need to make sure the new stadium would be ready by 2023,'' Filosa said.

Filosa said he has been led to believe that the Rays could ultimately play 10 games of a 162-game schedule away from Tropicana Field in 2019 but he doesn't know whether any of those 10 games would be played in Montreal.

Whether Montreal gets a relocated team or an expansion team, the future indeed looks rosy. It's been 14 seasons and counting without a team. Far too long.

At least one Expos fan was tempering his enthusiasm in check about the Tampa-Montreal scenario.

"Really? MLB has never held a city hostage before in order to apply pressure elsewhere?'' asked E.J. Hansen of Montreal in a Twitter post. "When I see Rob Manfred attend the 50th anniversary of Expos in March and announce that MLB is returning, I’ll get excited.''

Danny Gallagher's recently released book about the 1981 Expos is called Blue Monday. It's available in stores across Canada and at amazon.com and barnesandnoble.com. It can also be purchased at 13 Barnes and Noble stores in the Greater Los Angeles Area.
 

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It’s not happening unless there is a viable plan for a downtown stadium.

The writer of that article lost all credibility with me by arguing that the fact that Sternberg and Bronfman are both Jewish means they must be talking. That’s a whole lot of nonsense. The fact that the two are both Jewish means they are talking is about a valid a statement as saying that because both Rod Carew and Dave Winfield are black they must take meals together when both are in the same town. The dude is a piece of trash as a journalist. The Canadian Baseball Network obviously doesn’t have a whole lot of journalistic integrity to publish such trash unedited.
 

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It’s not happening unless there is a viable plan for a downtown stadium.

The writer of that article lost all credibility with me by arguing that the fact that Sternberg and Bronfman are both Jewish means they must be talking. That’s a whole lot of nonsense. The fact that the two are both Jewish means they are talking is about a valid a statement as saying that because both Rod Carew and Dave Winfield are black they must take meals together when both are in the same town. The dude is a piece of trash as a journalist. The Canadian Baseball Network obviously doesn’t have a whole lot of journalistic integrity to publish such trash unedited.
First off, Danny Gallagher is quite well respected. Second, there is a viable plan for a downtown stadium and, as Gallagher has pointed out, the land has already been set aside by the city. Next, you are clearly not MOT, if you were, you would know that the fact that Bronfman and Sternberg are both Jewish is quite significant.

I was going to post another article, but decided instead to just give the link. It was published this morning in The Athletic, and is very encouraging. I was going to copy the whole article, but my sense is that you should pony up and subscribe. The Athletic is a relatively new venture and they've hired some of the best writers on the continent, including Peter Gammons and Jayson Stark. Their coverage of the Red Sox is second only to the Globe. Their coverage of the Canadiens is the best anywhere in English. This piece was written by Arpon Basu. (Arpon Basu is Editor-in-Chief of The Athletic Montréal and Athlétique Montréal. Previously, he worked for the NHL for six years as Managing Editor of LNH.com and a contributing writer on NHL.com. Follow Arpon on Twitter @ArponBasu."

https://theathletic.com/714800/2018...-seems-a-little-more-real/?source=weeklyemail
 

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I sure would like another potential reason to visit the city. I really hope it happens. Both Florida teams seem to be ignored by Floridians. I have a friend from Florida who is a huge baseball fan. He said that there is just too much to do in Florida. Will Montreal support baseball? I have a co-worker form Portland Maine who used to take organized bus trips up to Montreal to see the Expos once or twice a year. He said it was a great beer drinking weekend and it didn't matter if you were an Expo fan or not. The trip was about 33% baseball, 33% Molson, and 33% strippers. There was something for everyone there.
 

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Rumple - Thanks for the update. Keepin' the dream alive!

I saw a follow up article in the Gazette from Jack Todd who added a sober thought - "Is Montreal being played here? Used to extort a new stadium in Florida, the way Washington was once used in the attempt to get taxpayers to build a park for either Claude Brochu or Jeffrey Loria?
The answer is probably affirmative — but then Washington did eventually haul in the Expos, to our everlasting sorrow. The possibility exists that, with other uses already marked for the Tropicana Field site, the Rays could escape their lease and head north sooner than 2028."

I remember one year living in Hartford CT where they not only lost the Whalers, but had the fantasy hope that the NFL Patriots were going to move to Hartford in a new stadium. Kraft had signed an agreement in principal to move the team and even started accepting season ticket applications. But of course it was just a ploy to get a new stadium built in Foxboro. City was devastated. By the time I left Hartford, the entire city was a ghost town on weekend nights.
 

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For a long time now the only show playing in Hartford has been the UConn basketball teams, men and women. Although they now have a minor league baseball team called the Hartford Yard Goats. I have some friends who have gone to Yard Goats games who have really enjoyed themselves. There are also now some very good microbreweries in the Hartford area, and one of them is the only one in the State of CT that is serving spirits as well as craft beer. I mentioned to a friend of mine who is a craft beer aficionado that it would be cool if these places served shot liquors like Fireball and other spirits which can be “washed down” with craft beers. My buddy mentioned the law in CT which prevents having a distillery and a brewery on the same premises. Somehow one of the Hartford microbreweries found a way around that law. I think the place is called Hog’s Breath or something like that. Particularly in CT microbreweries have exploded all over the State in the last 10 years. I visited one called Bad Sons in Derby and they had their own brewed hard cider which is the best I ever tasted.

Of the CT cities the only one that has a palpable nightlife is New Haven. I know all the CT cities fairly well. New Haven has the best dining scene and the best cultural offerings by far.
 

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Of the CT cities the only one that has a palpable nightlife is New Haven. I know all the CT cities fairly well. New Haven has the best dining scene and the best cultural offerings by far.

And the best pizza!
 

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I saw a follow up article in the Gazette from Jack Todd who added a sober thought - "Is Montreal being played here? Used to extort a new stadium in Florida, the way Washington was once used in the attempt to get taxpayers to build a park for either Claude Brochu or Jeffrey Loria?
The answer is probably affirmative — but then Washington did eventually haul in the Expos, to our everlasting sorrow. The possibility exists that, with other uses already marked for the Tropicana Field site, the Rays could escape their lease and head north sooner than 2028."
Todd has been Mr. Buzzkill whenever the possibility of the Expos' return comes up.
 

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Do the locals have any attachment to the actual name Expos? How many young Montrealers even know of Expo 67?
 

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While Im not a native montrealer, I do know of Expo 67, and i feel like most should? It is what set Montreal into the path of being an international city and not just another city on the water. The metro system was started that year, the island was built that year from the metro excavations, wasnt that hideous housing complex also a part of expo 67?

In any case even young montrealers are sticklers for tradition. Ive been to the spring baseball expositions here and everyone goes wild taunting the jays by calling them the expos and if that isnt dedication I dont know what is XD

- every spring when this thread get revived I keep hoping someone has some news for me. All I want is a home team. Is that too much to ask for.
 

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Hope this works because Montreal deserves baseball. 40ish games in the summer seems plausible. They need a new stadium in Montreal though. Also a lot of fans from Boston, NY, philly, Toronto would make the trip
 

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This is bizarre but I hope it works. I need more excuses to visit Montreal. This would be a great trip and this is a unique solution. Baseball in Montreal in April would be brutal but In July would be fantastic.
 

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Owner of Tampa said yesrterday he is ready pour la garde partagée Tampa--Montréal à compter de 2024.......ce semble loin MAIS il y a beaucoup de points litigieux à régler comme entre autre la construction de 2 stades!!!!!!!!......de plus il exigerait UNE seule organisation pour diriger l'équipe et qu'en sera t-il du partage des coûts.....on est probablement loin de la coupe aux lèvres MAIS pour moi c'est quand même un important pas en avant pour le retour du baseball à Montréal.....Bronfman will react today....pas certain qu"il veuille un partenariat et une fusion avec le proprio actuel.....à suivre.
 

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Gaby - Tampa Bay currently has a winning baseball team and the area does not support it. Nobody wants to go to baseball games there in the summer. Montreal in the summer with a new downtown stadium and all the tourists would be beautiful. Playing in the same division with Toronto, Boston and NY would easily draw 1 million for those three teams alone. Tampa will not build a new stadium. The owner can say he tried with the two team solution and then just move the whole team to Montreal. But I agree with you - I will take baseball in Montreal from mid- June to September as a start.
http://www.tampabay.com/sports/rays...and-answers-about-the-rays-montreal-proposal/
 

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The two city, 1 team approach is complete unworkable nonsense and I don’t even understand why Rob Manfred is allowing these stories to be published and legitimized. MLB doesn’t seem to want to abandon the Florida market even though neither the Rays nor the Marlins have done well, attendance wise. The prior ownership of the Marlins angered south Florida fans by not getting Cuban players although that’s now changed under the new Derek Jeter ownership group. The Rays have a good team, but the problem is that the fan base in that area is mostly elderly and mostly expatriates from outside the area (including lots of Canadians and Germans) and they don’t feel any allegiance to the Rays, at least the ones who actually attend baseball games. Expatriate transplanted New Yorkers rooting for the Yankees outnumber Rays fans 3-1. This odd convergence of factors has led to this idea about 2 cities sharing one team and it’s a horrible idea.
 
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