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    Are The Patriots Now The Greatest NFL Dynasty Of All Time?

    The answer would depend on what time period you consider. If you consider a period of less than twelve years, then the answer is yes. If you are looking for a longer time period, the answer is the 49ers. In any case, when considering dynasties, there are only two possible answers: Patriots and 49ers. All this according to Nate Silver.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/p...t-of-all-time/

    "New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area idolizing Joe Montana, Steve Young and the San Francisco 49ers. Now, after winning his fourth Super Bowl on Sunday, Brady has helped the Patriots cement their place alongside the 49ers among the top NFL dynasties of all time.

    Whether the Patriots or the 49ers rank as the top modern NFL dynasty depends on the length of the period you consider. In the chart below, I’ve measured the top franchises over periods ranging from one year to 25 years.1 Rankings are based on a team’s average Elo rating at the end of each season. (We’ve calculated Elo ratings back to the AFL-NFL merger year of 1970, so great teams before that — like the Green Bay Packers of the 1960s — are not considered.)

    •The Patriots rate as having the best five- and six-year runs;
    •The 49ers have the best seven- and eight-year stretches;
    •The Patriots then overtake the Niners as the best dynasty for periods of nine through 12 years;
    •But the 49ers win again for periods of 13 years and longer."
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    of all time? no. but for the cap era, they're the greatest. i still consider the 49ers to be the greatest

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    Thanks for putting things in prosper perspective Sharkman

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharkman View Post
    RF, you clearly wrote "of all time" in the heading!...otherwise this might be embarrassing and a real joke!...and it's not even close!
    Note that I copied Silver's headline; it's not mine. Note that he also said, as I quoted, "(We’ve calculated Elo ratings back to the AFL-NFL merger year of 1970, so great teams before that — like the Green Bay Packers of the 1960s — are not considered.)"

    Much as the modern era in baseball began with the inception of the American League in 1901, the modern era in football began with the merger. Lombardi's Packers dominated, for most of his era, a league of 14. Dominating a league of 30 is a horse of a different color. Personally, I have no opinion on this and am simply sharing the words and work of Nate Silver, a master statistician.

    Yes, the sky is a different color in "other people's worlds." Methinks the poor stoner's eyes are blackened with hatred and all he sees is darkness. Poor thing. The life of a troll is a grim one indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rumpleforeskiin View Post
    •The Patriots rate as having the best five- and six-year runs;
    The Steelers have four (4) Super Bowl wins in six (6) years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnhenrygalt View Post
    The Steelers have four (4) Super Bowl wins in six (6) years.
    Read the article. Silver considers their performance in the years they did not win as well as the ones they did. Did they make the playoffs? How deep did they go? Using the parameters Silver set up, the Pats overall five and six year runs were better than that of the Steelers.

    Again, I'm not defending this study, just sharing it. I will say that I (and a zillion other people) have great respect for the body of Silver's work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharkman View Post
    if we have to make exceptions for different eras then we might as well take away 10 Stanley Cups from the Montreal Canadiens!
    And leave the poor Leafs with none whatsoever. Now we wouldn't want to do that now, would we.

    Quote Originally Posted by sharkman View Post
    Notwithstanding, Nate Silver's question "Are the Patriots but the greatest football dynasty of all time" infers that they are...and that is way too presumptuous!
    I can't say that I disagree with you. I suppose Silver's headline should have been worded differently.
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    Hahahah!!!!, absolutely hilarious thread rumples, leave it to you to start a thread as absurd as this one.

    -The 49ers(Montana, Young, Walsh, Seifert, etc) are all universally well respected and liked, same goes with the Steelers and Packers, no cheating convictions, accusations, controversies etc with these well respected, legendary teams, end of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe.t View Post
    Hahahah!!!!, absolutely hilarious thread rumples, leave it to you to start a thread as absurd as this one.
    Methinks he's trying to inflate the importance of second place again

    GB and SF rule.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sharkman View Post
    RF, you clearly wrote "of all time" in the heading!...otherwise this might be embarrassing and a real joke!...and it's not even close!

    Green Bay Packers..... 5 Championships in 7 years...God bless the soul of Joe Lombardi!!!!!keep dreaming Belichick and Brady..........
    San Francisco 49ers....5 Super Bowls, and never lost a Super Bowl....Joe Montana and Bill Walsh...George Seifert.
    Is Joe a nickname for Vince?
    Jules Winnfield (Samuel L. Jackson in Pulp Fiction) English, motherfu*ker, do you speak it?

    Typical Yankee fan in the Merb Sports Section!! Bwwaahh.

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    Joe was his confirmation name SK

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    Exactly and me being a honest football fan, I can admit Dallas had a nice run in the 90's (and were a dynasty) but nowhere near what GB and SF were, those 2 teams are at the top and for the patriots to come close they would need to win another SB (or 2 more likely) in the next few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smuler View Post
    Methinks he's trying to inflate the importance of second place again
    GB and SF rule.
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    The Steelers won 4 times in the 70's

    Do you want me to tell you about how many times they came in second ?

    Never mind, as we are here to talk about the winner

    The Patriots

    I would never take the thunder away from a winner.

    Not me, never !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharkman View Post
    New England Patriots... a distant 3rd!....
    I'm not saying it either way, but there's one very important factor you have to consider when answering. The Patriots had to do everything within fairly strict salary cap boundaries and make much tougher choices on who to keep and who to trade or lose to free agency. None of the other teams had to face that in anywhere near the same degree . They could develop or attain great players and have a much easier time keeping them. You look at the Steelers teams of the 70s and their defense alone reads almost like a Hall of Fame Who's Who. The Patriots have also never had the gathering of real stars in abundance other teams have had. So at the very least it's an extremely fair question that is debatable. There's definitely no easy or clear answer to any fair thinking honest person like you Sharkman. Sure there are negatives for the Patriots, like the others, but the bonafide obsessed haters have no other mind than to feed their hate when the name Patriots comes up.

    I was just listening to some stats with WEEI on the way home. Regarding the total failure of the deflate gate cheating farce, Tom Brady is 49 of 65 for about 460 yards since the ref certified footballs were put into Brady's hands in the second half of the AFC Championship game. Almost without a running game to speak of after the middle of the second quarter Brady still dissected a Seattle defense that had given up only 9 total points in the 4th quarter for THE ENTIRE YEAR, and he still came back from 10 points down to lead the team to 14 points...with NFL CERTIFIED FOOTBALLS. All the haters have a lot more to explain about that than they ever could justify from Brady.

    http://nypost.com/2015/02/02/tom-bra...-jets-and-afc/

    The terrible and great news for the haters is Brady is staying in the game. So all the haters will have plenty of time to enjoy their vengeance obsession as they simultaneously agonize through it.

    BTW - I don't know what will happen because of the size of his salary but I saw Darrelle Revis on a number of interviews this morning and he is enjoying the time of his life like he just won the Super Bowl single-handed. What a change in him from obnoxious loudmouth to stalwart highly respected inspirational team leader. Revis was absolutely glowing in the glory. One has to wonder if he will give up a good offer with a great team for big money with a bum team that has so far to go like the Jets publicly courting him.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/video/englan...034713896.html

    At 4:00 Revis and teammates take over the broadcast set in celebration of their CHAMPIONSHIP. Brady, "he's the best quarterback to ever play the game." - Darrelle Revis.

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