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    Angry chez stella scare campaign effects on the industry

    http://chezstella.org/stella/en
    My ATF decided to go completely non-GFE
    then few weeks later, ONLY massages,
    the reason chez stella scared the crap out of her,
    about how you can get AIDS from BBBJ, and other stuff
    told her stories, bring infected SW to scare the girls
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    They modify the truth to fit their scare campaign, they don't talk about risk factors:
    drugs. accepting needle junkie Johns,
    They same to target GFE/PSE specifically.
    Have any one heard about them? did you hear about them from providers?
    Any information what kind of tactics they are using?

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    Scare campaign???? Ridiculous. Stella is among the best sex workers organization in the world. They know more about sex health then most people do and they are funded by the Montreal health agency. They do NOT modify the truth. Also, if you think Stella does not talk about risks associated with needle exchange, you know nothing about them. They explain the risks as they are, no more no less. Your ATF may be more risk averse then others. It is her life, her business. I would be very surprised that Stella told her about a high risk of getting AIDS form BBBJ. Stella does not encourage BBBJ and never did because of the risks linked to other STDs, more specifically, in the last few years, the increase of some antibiotic resistant gonorrhea. Talking about a scare campaign is ridiculous.

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    Hey wcajust....maybe your ATF told you a story that would justify her decision not to have any more sex with you.

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    Hello wcajust,

    When a lady tells you something that goes against all logic such as Stella putting out bad information against all they know and were created the be experts on it's probably about her trying to find a way to put you off. She may have thought saying she was going "non-GFE" would do it. Then she added "only massages" to be sure. When the business relationship with my long time favorite ended she put it softly but she was very direct. Some other ladies will use your ATFs way using an excuse. Sorry.

    Good luck,

    Merlot

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    classic case of someone who doesn't want to see you anymore. you need to find someone else

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    Quote Originally Posted by gugu View Post
    Scare campaign???? Ridiculous. Stella is among the best sex workers organization in the world. They know more about sex health then most people do and they are funded by the Montreal health agency. They do NOT modify the truth. Also, if you think Stella does not talk about risks associated with needle exchange, you know nothing about them. They explain the risks as they are, no more no less. Your ATF may be more risk averse then others. It is her life, her business. I would be very surprised that Stella told her about a high risk of getting AIDS form BBBJ. Stella does not encourage BBBJ and never did because of the risks linked to other STDs, more specifically, in the last few years, the increase of some antibiotic resistant gonorrhea. Talking about a scare campaign is ridiculous.

    Quote Originally Posted by Merlot View Post
    Hello wcajust,

    When a lady tells you something that goes against all logic such as Stella putting out bad information against all they know and were created the be experts on it's probably about her trying to find a way to put you off. She may have thought saying she was going "non-GFE" would do it. Then she added "only massages" to be sure. When the business relationship with my long time favorite ended she put it softly but she was very direct. Some other ladies will use your ATFs way using an excuse. Sorry.

    Good luck,

    Merlot
    Nothing more to add ...except the thing that i hate the most!!! If and i mean if a girl doesnt want to see someone anymore ...JUST tell him geez!!!!... i hate two faces people!!!
    Donner une deuxième chance a quelqu'un qui ta trahi c'est comme donner une deuxième balle a quelqu'un qui ta manqué!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by panthere View Post
    If and i mean if a girl doesnt want to see someone anymore ...JUST tell him geez!!!!
    Yup.. I'd much prefer to hear it directly from her than from cloudsurf

    Worse case for me is not being clued in at all and having to figure it out on my own over time via questionable attitude that can easily be mistaken for moodiness for which I'm apparently too tolerant of. Sometimes a lady will ask me "why are you always in a good mood?" and my answer is always "I'm usually in a bad mood; I only call you when I'm in a good mood". She, on the other hand, doesn't exactly have that same option.

    Last year I stopped seeing a regular I had known for years as I had become convinced just being around me was a bummer for her, for whatever reason. In hindsight it was the only thing that explained certain minor incidents between us but I never suspected it when I saw her and she never said anything. I wish she did, and I wish I wasn't so blinded by her crazy skills either as we never had any real chemistry in the first place. Obviously she was getting $omething out of it, as was I, but talking about stuff might have resolved whatever conflicts existed, as I always liked her despite our differences and lack of chemistry.

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    cool, noted, but really there is WAY too many fishes in the sea for me to care,
    I am very pissed off now that she decided to play this game, at one point i started thinking that she contracted something which got me worried about myself
    so i got tested and so that was a bit of paranoia until i got my test back.
    anyway moving on..

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    hahahahahhah i just peed my pants hahahhaha scare campain from the one who told me it was irrepectuous to refuse to make work a girl with AIDS cause its against humain right... !!!

    They told me i should of accept her and on the phone that i would have to book her WITHOUT telling them she got it... just because THE GIRL have the right to decide by herself to say it or not... which means that if condom broke she could be accused of murder with premiditation cause she would not warned you..

    I told them i wasn't agreed with that at all!!!

    gugu i told you about that when we saw each other... but i respect the fact they have helped a lot of girls but recently ... well i moved with Venus Project for all those things such as laws, medical exam, condoms, etc...

    i made a thread about it while ago... and ppl refers me to go to Stella.. but at that time i didn't mention from where it was coming..

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    HOLY SHIT, this is very scary stuff

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    Laila, I find it hard to make sense of that story. From what I understand of your story people at Stella told you that you had to hire the person and you must not tell clients that she had AIDS?

    The whole situation is a conundrum because of a confusion between the criminal law, human rights and plain common sense.

    Of course human rights are that it is the affected person's responsibility to let their partner know and you should not reveal that private information without their consent. At that point the only ethical thing to do in your situation is to say that you cannot do business with that sex worker. You booking sex workers with clients was against the law, anyway, so no one can really tell you how you're supposed to proceed with that. On the other hand, according to the law the encounters are not supposed to be sexual, so in theory the escort could say you discriminated against her for a medical condition unrelated to her legal job description...
    “Truth, Justice, Freedom, Reasonably Priced Love.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siocnarf View Post
    Laila, I find it hard to make sense of that story. From what I understand of your story people at Stella told you that you had to hire the person and you must not tell clients that she had AIDS?
    exactly, cause it could be a violation of the ''charte des droits de la personnes''.. they were girls with me that day... they were pissed... sinocarf i'm not the kind of person who will tell shit just for saying it.. i recognize i should of keep it for myself.. so i think i will delete my post... before too many ppl see that..but for those who have read it... thats exactly how it happened

    Quote Originally Posted by Siocnarf View Post
    no one can really tell you how you're supposed to proceed with that. On the other hand, according to the law the encounters are not supposed to be sexual, so in theory the escort could say you discriminated against her for a medical condition unrelated to her legal job description...
    exactly i'm agree with this

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    To clarify my opinion, I think it would be illegal for you to tell people that a person has AIDS. But I don't think it would violate the charter not to hire that person for sex work. The problem with the charter is that there are many considerations that are often in opposition and a judge has to decide which is the most important. I think in that case health and safety would be more important than discrimination. She could put you in trouble by saying you run a sex business but then you could put her in trouble for not disclosing her condition to every partner.
    “Truth, Justice, Freedom, Reasonably Priced Love.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by wcajust View Post
    http://chezstella.org/stella/en
    chez stella scared the crap out of her,
    about how you can get AIDS from BBBJ, and other stuff
    told her stories, bring infected SW to scare the girls
    It has been suspected that AIDS can be transmitted through a BBBJ, although the risks are fairly low. That's because the ADIS virus is very fragile out of its environment, and is reputed to be able to survive only seconds in saliva. However, it is transmitted quite readily through blood exchange, and that's why its so risky in a BB anal environment, because the rectum and anus have frequent fissures and bleeds (especially when things go up the opposite way), such as hemorrhoids, even if these are not visually noticeable.

    As concerns inside the mouth, the risk is supposed to increase after brushing one's teeth, because the tooth brush bristles create very small unnoticeable fissures and bleeds on the gums, where the virus can enter. In any case, there are lots of other STD's that can be transmitted much more easily through BBBJ's, like gonorrhea in the throat.

    So Stella's advice is not so far-fetched. The risk is not so much for the client, but for the provider. It only takes one client to screw things up for the provider, and many times, the client isn't even aware that they have something, like chlamydia. But I don't understand why the provider can't continue with her trade using condoms..... unless it's a pretext to discourage you from seeing her anymore, for some reason.

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    Pour attraper le sida par fellation, il suffit qu'il y ait contact sanguin à savoir si la demoiselle à une coupure, gingivite ou je sais pas et que le client ait une irritation, la peau au sang etc... autrement, cela prend 1L de salive et/ou 1L de sperme avant que ce soit transmissible..

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