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    South of the Border

    I just want to say at the outset that I don't work for an agency and I'm not a pimp... I'm just some random horny guy like everyone else on this board. BUT, I was wondering if some of you ladies ever work in the US. I'll tell you right now that there was one girl I knew of who worked for Angel Escorts who would occasionally visit NJ and there's one indy that I know of who sometimes visits NYC (and other points in the country). Considering that you can charge more & the exchange rate is favorable to you, would you ever consider working in the US? In NY, at least, we've been lucky recently that LE is really not paying attention, so I don't think you'd have to worry about that. I know that Girlfriends (what did it used to be called?) opened a branch in NY last year that didn't work out, but these days I think it might be worth a try. $100 USD right now is worth $126 CDN and you can charge a minimum of $300/hr, if not 4 or 5. This really sounds like I'm a pimp, doesn't it? I'm not! I'm just welcoming the Canadian invasion -- and wondering why it hasn't happened yet...?

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    I will also be interested in hearing from the ladies, but for what it is worth the ad section of TER for many cities does occasionally feature visiting independent Canadian escorts, and they do usually adjust their rates to US rates when touring. I do not begrudge them for charging US rates since they need to cover travel and hotel costs, but given the lack of a discount there is really no reason for Americans to flock to them. A well reviewed US escort in the $400 - $600 range gives the same service as a "merb" style Montreal escort in the $180 - $220 range, so if the Montreal escort needs to charge $400 - $500 to cover her costs and make the same profit as if she stayed in Montreal, how does anyone benefit? Plus she has to figure out what to say to Customs and Borders (hint she should say tourism not escorting), how to screen clients in the US to keep the cops away, and most importantly where to hide the cash to prevent seizures when crossing. Even if it is less than $10,000, if a search finds a lot of cash, her tourism explanation is going to look like a lie. Fuck, if i was some old border patrol guy, I would go through the bags of any cute girl just so I could feel her panties and scope out her vibrator. So she really has to worry about him finding big wads of cash.

    I am just not certain if the numbers make sense compared to the hassles. I suspect the visiting providers on TER have family and friends they go see, and just turn a few tricks in their spare time.

    We no longer see Canadian agencies sending providers to the US for long trips. My understanding is that the enhanced law enforcement interest in international trafficking and the difficulty of "foreigners" using US banks and doing US financial transactions has made that more difficult. It has gotten more and more difficult for foreigners to do things such as buying large quantities of money orders and mailing them home for depositing. There is a lot more financial tracking than there once was.

    I used to see a provider who worked in both countries, and she started to complain about the hassles, even though she was a dual citizen.

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    I'm curiuous as to what SP's do with their cash. I've never asked. But I think as far as someone dividing their time between the US and Canada, they can simply open a bank account with a bank that has branches in both countries. I know this might not work since they're trying to avoid recording income, but it's one possibility. Plus, if a woman spends a Mon-Fri in NYC, it's highly unlikely that she'll have $10,000 when crossing the border home, and that's the threshold that raises red flags. I think that you can come to NY and make a ton of money in a 5-day period and then shoot home with no problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patron View Post
    I suspect the visiting providers on TER have family and friends they go see, and just turn a few tricks in their spare time.
    That's my situation. I go see my parents in Vegas and take appointments when I'm there. I'll take a hotel on the strip for a few nights and will offer incall on those days. The nice thing about Vegas is that you can come home with cash and just say you won it gambling, but I also have a US bank account where I leave some of my money.

    I also worked in Portland when I was there on a business trip, lol. Why not?

    I've thought about going to NYC, but it's awfully expensive to stay there. If I had enough interest I would go, I love the city.

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    I'm going to throw something out to you. It isn't an appointment request, just a fer instance. The Hilton DoubleTree on 51st Street between 2nd and 3rd has a room rate of $120/night right now. If you're charging $300 or $400/hour with some guy, you've already paid for your trip. New York is not as expensive as you think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gurgeh85 View Post
    I'm curiuous as to what SP's do with their cash. I've never asked. But I think as far as someone dividing their time between the US and Canada, they can simply open a bank account with a bank that has branches in both countries. I know this might not work since they're trying to avoid recording income, but it's one possibility. Plus, if a woman spends a Mon-Fri in NYC, it's highly unlikely that she'll have $10,000 when crossing the border home, and that's the threshold that raises red flags. I think that you can come to NY and make a ton of money in a 5-day period and then shoot home with no problem.
    It is easy to say that, but lying about the purpose of a trip and evading taxes in either country is a big deal, and bank deposits are a definitive paper trail. And even if it is under the $10,000 reporting threshold, it is hard to maintain composure if you are placed in a little room, the $8,000 is stacked up in front of you along with the two vibrators and a box of unused condoms, and the agent is grilling you about whether you were traveling to conduct business on your fifth trip to the US this year. Tiannas is correct that Vegas provides a good cover story.

    Hell, there is a whole thread about how johns get upset when custom asks too many questions about our travels, and we have no real worries (or at least nothing to seize). I am just saying that most working girls, who have never even had to do screening, could deal with this. So it is not worth the hassle, and they might not make that much more. It us not like there is a shortage of $400 - $600 an hour escorts in NYC. And there are even plenty of $200 - $350 an hour NYC escorts, with less quality than the Montreal escorts reviewed here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gurgeh85 View Post
    The Hilton DoubleTree on 51st Street between 2nd and 3rd has a room rate of $120/night right now. If you're charging $300 or $400/hour with some guy, you've already paid for your trip. New York is not as expensive as you think.
    Damn, that is a good deal! Thanks for the info. I haven't been to NYC in a couple years, should perhaps consider a weekend roadtrip when I get back from Vegas.
    Question - what's the best venue to advertise on if one is visiting NYC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patron View Post
    It is easy to say that, but lying about the purpose of a trip and evading taxes in either country is a big deal, and bank deposits are a definitive paper trail. And even if it is under the $10,000 reporting threshold, it is hard to maintain composure if you are placed in a little room, the $8,000 is stacked up in front of you along with the two vibrators and a box of unused condoms, and the agent is grilling you about whether you were traveling to conduct business on your fifth trip to the US this year. Tiannas is correct that Vegas provides a good cover story.

    Hell, there is a whole thread about how johns get upset when custom asks too many questions about our travels, and we have no real worries (or at least nothing to seize). I am just saying that most working girls, who have never even had to do screening, could deal with this. So it is not worth the hassle, and they might not make that much more. It us not like there is a shortage of $400 - $600 an hour escorts in NYC. And there are even plenty of $200 - $350 an hour NYC escorts, with less quality than the Montreal escorts reviewed here.

    Patron, again excellent points as always. I think Canadians are under the misconception that every $400-$600 SP that visits NYC makes a killing when factoring in advertising and hotel costs. As you likely know NYC and NNJ especially has some damn good $250 and $300 escorts and there is no shortage of $400+ SPs.

    I don't think it's worth the financial or legal risks for Canadian SPs to visit and charge a $400-600 price point. It often takes awhile to build up a client base. And Border Security is so tight on both sides especially if one is noticed doing multiple annual trips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiannas View Post
    Question - what's the best venue to advertise on if one is visiting NYC?
    Definitely not backpage -- that's LE bait in the US. You can probably use Eros, but I've never contacted anyone through Eros before. Your best bet is Preferred 411 or Date Check. You can also try to hook up with an established agency in whatever city you want to visit. Offhand, I would say P411. It costs me $129/year as a client. I don't know what they charge for escorts. On their website, they generally put the "visiting" escorts towards the front of the search engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobinnyc View Post

    I don't think it's worth the financial or legal risks for Canadian SPs to visit and charge a $400-600 price point. It often takes awhile to build up a client base. And Border Security is so tight on both sides especially if one is noticed doing multiple annual trips.
    I don't think I agree with a lot of this. It's all academical at this point. I would have to know an SP that actually did it and learn something from her experience. The whole law enforcement and border security thing is nonsense, though. As an escort, you woudln't have to deal with anything more than the stupid bullshit US border security would put anyone through...

    And by the way, I don't think border security is that tight. I've never seen border guards more bored with my identity than I've seen in Canada. Of course, if you're a beautiful young woman, they might pay you closer attention...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gurgeh85 View Post
    Of course, if you're a beautiful young woman, they might pay you closer attention...
    That and if you are a woman travelling alone, and crossing frequently, it attracts attention. Even with a Nexus card I was detained entering the US as they suspected I was working down there. (At least that's what they kept asking me.).

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    You might be amused to learn what it's like to be a middle-aged guy going through. The guards can barely arouse themselves to look at us and then they scan our passports and we're through. Seriously, that's it! Coming back into the US, the agents like to play 20 questions with us. But going from the US to Canada, no problem!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patron View Post
    And there are even plenty of $200 - $350 an hour NYC escorts, with less quality than the Montreal escorts reviewed here.
    The cheapest you can get it in NY is $300. Anyone less than that is trying to sell you on a really expensive handjob. Some Asian escorts charge under $300, but half of your time with them is a table shower. I wouldn't even say that they're "less quality". I know one woman who charges $300/hr and I'd put her against any SP in the city. It's true that there's no shortage of women -- but variety is the spice of life. I don't honestly know if it would be lucrative or not. I was just throwing out the possibility, and hoping a Montreal SP who tried it would let me know how it worked out.

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    I've heard a story that a Montreal girl attempting to visit the USA last summer was refused entry into the USA. She was traveling by train and did not have a return ticket. Not having a return ticket prompted an intensive search by US customs agents, who then searched her cellphone and found allegedly "incriminating" messages stored on it....so they took her off the train and sent her back to Canada.

    So....if you're visiting the USA for any reason: 1) always have a return ticket 2) leave your electronics at home (your Canadian cell phone may not work in the USA anyway, buy a cheap no-contract pay-as-you-go phone as soon as you arrive in the USA), and 3) have a reasonable cover story in place beforehand - actress, musician, modeling etc.

    And if I had made a stack of cash while in the USA, I'd put it in an envelope (or better yet, several separate envelopes) and mail it back to my Canadian address.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gurgeh85 View Post
    The Hilton DoubleTree on 51st Street between 2nd and 3rd has a room rate of $120/night right now.
    Actually between 3rd & Lexington. Not that it really makes a difference to anyone. I just wanted to be accurate.

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