What is your definition of "Indy"?

BookerL · May 4, 2015

Hello all

If the SP keeps the same handler as she had in the agency she worked for before is she a INdy?
Or even if she changes handler ?

How do you view it ?
What is a True Indy ?

Cheers

Booker

lougazebo · May 4, 2015

For me a real indy is a girl who manage her call by herself, no by a booker or a friend , i like to talk directly to the girl or for me she's not an indy.
because agencies are bookers for many girls , but booking one girl is like dealing an agency. no chance to talk to the girl.
I like to hear her voice , it makes me feel more intimate.

lovelegs · May 4, 2015

I agree with Lougazebo.

LL

protagoras · May 4, 2015

I also concur with lougazebo.

A genuine Indy is the one who manages everything by herself. She answers phone calls, she is in charge of her agenda, she decides when, where and with whom she will have a session.
In a nutshell she is in charge of eveything.

I will even go furthter than that. An indy - especially in São Paulo - is the one who buys liquid soap, maintaisn a large stock of clean towels, changes the sheets before sessions, replenishes her fridge with cold beers or with wine. (In general Indies recieves in their own apartments).

snoodle · May 4, 2015

BookerL said:
How do you view it ?

i think even a girl that works for an agency can be considered indy as long as she's calling the shots lol :thumb:

you can be considered an independent worker by revenue quebec, but still hire consultants to help you operate.

So in theory, even if the girl is giving a cut to an agency she can still be technically independent as long as the agency has no influence over her business decisions and if she decides the percentage that the agency gets not the other way around.

I dunno depends i guess

lol

I don't know if that scenario is possible but why not

Lily-Rose · May 4, 2015

"What is your definition of "Indy"?"

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lougazebo · May 4, 2015

personaly, if i call an indy and it's a guy that answer me, I hang up.
when i call an indy, i want to speak with the girl.
because when it's a guy that answer the phone, i don't know if he is her boyfriend or a pimp and that scares me.
an indy has to be completly indy for me.

BookerL · May 4, 2015

lougazebo said:
an indy has to be completly indy for me.

Well at least severing ties with your ex "Booker"?

Yes,no,maybe ? pas savoir !:lol:

Cheers

Booker

lougazebo · May 5, 2015

what about if many indies have the same guys taking their calls ?
As i said before they shouldn't be considered indies in my book.
it looks more like an agency of indies.
anyway, i wouldn't make business with an indies with a booker.
If i want to make business with an agency, i will call one that has a name and a good reputation too.

chowzilla · May 5, 2015

I have to agree with Lou

I expect it to be more personal when dealing with an indy.

However I do not think thats what the definition means
I think its when the girl is no longer bound to agency rules
The girl calls the shots
The girl chooses her schedule, clients and price

BookerL · May 5, 2015

chowzilla said:
The girl calls the shots
The girl chooses her schedule, clients and price

Many top agencies girl have that !And they do call the shots unless they are coerced ,but then it would still be the case as a" Indy "

Cheers

Booker

BookerL · May 5, 2015

grenouilleforever said:
I have 2 examples in mind... but it does not change an iota in terms of quality, charm...

Effectively it doesn't change !:thumb:
So the question is, why bother to pretend ?

Cheers

Booker

lougazebo · May 5, 2015

grenouilleforever said:
However, keep in mind that most of the time now, booking are made by text message, so you do not really know who is at the other end...

But, "ça ne prend pas la tête à Papineau" to understand who is really Indy, or who is half-Indy or smaller agency...

I have 2 examples in mind... but it does not change an iota in terms of quality, charm...

it true what you say that if everything is done by text or e-mail, you don't know who's at the end.
But , i'm speaking for myself. when i decide to book a girl , indy or agency, i always call when i'm ready and i made my choice.
especialy with indies, i do need to speak with the girls unless she's one of my regular.

gurgeh85 · May 5, 2015

I don't think that just because an Indy hires a booking assistant, she becomes less of an Indy. In fact, I think this will help her business. Instead of answering the phone all the time, she's generating revenue. So what if she pays someone 15 or 20 bucks an hour to answer her texts and emails. It's also happened that I initially contacted booking assistants and spoke with the escort hours later when she had time. I don't really think of that as a big deal. I usually don't even speak with an escort before I meet her, except by email or text, so I don't think it's a huge problem. Can it be the booking assistant pretending to be her? I suppose, but with an Indy, if it's really important for me to speak with her over the phone, she'll get back to me. Also, I would say an Indy is someone who doesn't have to split a % of their business with an agency or a booker. The booker is mererly hired help. Now, I know at least one booker who works for 8 or 10 ladies, so she probably does pretty well for herself, but I still think she's an assistant and not an owner...

CaptRenault · May 5, 2015

I don't care what business model an escort chooses--agency, indy, indy with booker or something in between like FKS (and I don't care what booker the girl uses). Instead, I care about what the girl looks like, what level of service she delivers, her reliability and the cost of the service. There are different ways to manage and promote any kind of business. That is true of escorting just as it is true of other service industries. I judge my doctor based on my evaluation of his medical knowledge and skills and not what form of organization he uses for his business.

I have had good and bad experiences with agency escorts and indies (whether "true" indies or something else). Who cares? Vive la différence! What matters is what happens after the girl enters my room and not the particulars of who managed the business end of the transaction.

Furthermore, my experience tells me that there are relatively few escorts who can manage their business affairs completely on their own. It's a smart move for many escorts to work for an agency and for an indy escort to outsource some of the work of managing a business to someone else.

gurgeh85 · May 5, 2015

grenouilleforever said:
I do agree at the end... Was it a win-win !!! meaning as a customer, did you appreciate your time with your companion, and did she have good time too (ideally)...

For gurgeh85, I do understand your point and it makes sense in many business, but I do not agree that a lady, sees one man at a row.. like a production chain... it is not that easy... she needs to decompress a little with other activity... then reply to email, text message... On a business point of view, yes she would optimize but on a long-term it would not benefecial... A smart person always invest to mid and long-term...

My opinion...

Oh, I didn't mean it to sound like an sp is a machine. In Montreal, it seems Indy's are Montreal-centric. In the US, a lot of them travel, so very often they are not in town. They can be on the other side of the country or in Europe or somewhere, so a booking assistant might make more sense here. I really can't say what % of the ladies travel. It's probably not as many as I'm imagining, but it seems that most of the ones I want to see are the travelers. So, for example, if a lady from Hungary announces that she's going to be in town on 5/8, I can't reasonably expect to talk to her because of the time difference. In this case, a booker based locally makes more sense. My favorite SP is a traveler, so I really have to keep an eye on her schedule. It sucks when I check it and discover that she just left town. She doesn't have a booker, BTW, so she gets back to me when she gets back to me.

snoodle · May 5, 2015

gurgeh85 said:
Instead of answering the phone all the time, she's generating revenue. So what if she pays someone 15 or 20 bucks an hour to answer her texts and emails.

I agree lol
but if i were the girl id pay the guy with a bang instead of money. So you're making more profit

snoodle · May 5, 2015

TinaMtl said:
To be fancy...? :lol: just kidding.

Oh ! I love that song !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-zpOMYRi0w

BookerL · May 5, 2015

gurgeh85 said:
So what if she pays someone 15 or 20 bucks an hour to answer her texts and emails.

A reality of escorting ,the ladies are only making money when they are busy .
That is true of agency girls ,true indy's ,or fake Indy's .

Supporting a "Booker,Friend,Pimp,Receptionist ,Client Helper ,Handler" what ever the name given doesn't matter ,it is mathematically difficult at $20. a hour .
Text,emails, calls and PM's are coming in all the time, around the clock 7 days a week

Where is the profit at the end ?

Cheers

Booker

CaptRenault · May 5, 2015

TinaMtl said:
...a true independent lady and experience (meaning she's not sharing a phone number with another lady or having a secretary/booker, she meets less men etc.).

I don't agree that being an indy necessarily means that a girl sees fewer clients each day/week. Indies might want want to give that impression to clients but how does a client know how many other clients any escort sees? I think a more accurate indicator of how many clients an escort sees is her hourly rate and any minimum number of hours for an encounter. The higher the rate and minimum length of the encounter, the fewer clients she probably sees.

TinaMtl said:
The true meaning of independent is to not depend from anyone on any level ... having a booker or boyfriend or helper or pimp or secretary or friend (whatever you call it) is not being independent, far from it actually.

I think you are unfairly implying that the boyfriend, husband, booker or manager of an escort is or might be a "pimp." Many escorts have a relationship with such a person and anti-prostituion zealots use this fact to argue that most prostitutes are exploited by pimps. Undoubtedly, there are men who exploit prostitutes and force them to share their earnings with them. But I agree with Maggie's analysis of the enduring myth that most prostitutes have pimps:

If I had to pick one single myth about whores which has done more damage to the cause of sex worker rights than any other, and which has inspired the greatest amount of wrongheaded, paternalistic legislation and the greatest number of dangerous, divisive, destructive policies, it would have to be the narrative that all or at least most women who do any kind of sex work (but especially prostitution) are dominated and controlled by violent “pimps”. Long before “sex trafficking” hysteria inflated the pimp legend into a cultic belief, laws against brothels and “living on the avails” were based upon the fallacious but widespread notion that whores are somehow more vulnerable to male domination than any other women, despite the obvious fact that the typical whore has far more experience handling men and resisting their aggressions than the typical amateur. Like the Madonna/whore duality and the myth of the wanton, the “pimp” myth is rooted in male insecurity; self-doubting men have a deep and abiding need to believe that sex is not under female control, so they immerse themselves in a lurid, exciting and adolescent fantasy that female sexuality is always controlled by men (pimps and customers), and that all heterosexual women who are not owned by husbands are instead owned by “pimps” and “traffickers”. Politicians who support “anti-pimp” and “anti-trafficking” laws thus cast themselves as white knights, “rescuing” helpless damsels from mustachioed villains who “exploit” them.

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