GFE + / PSE What is the Difference ?

With GFE+ it is still there when it is all said and done. With PSE it falls right off without a second to spare. Reattachment is possible but very tricky.

Well GFE is usually refered to a more "girlfriend" experience, in a way that it feel more like your having sex with your GF more or less... of course it varies greatly from one provider to the other but a true GFE should make you feel like she is happy to be there, cuddle you, it should be hot and sensual... thats how i see it.

Also refer to acronyme such as LFK/DFK and BBBJ

PSE is more like it says... the feeling of fucking with an xxx star. Dirty talking, she ride you good. True PSE girls will make you feel like your in a movie

Usually PSE relate to CIM/COF and depending on the agency/providers, GREEK.

Of course the terms have been change a lot depending on the agencies over the years.

Some would use GFE+ for the cim option, wich i think is a good way of saying it and keep PSE for a true "pornstar experience" while other agencies PSE just mean CIM more or less...

Obviously due to the nature of this business , everything can be altered as one see fit...

One thing that i am really bothered tough is that so far no system has been put back in place since the board removed the rights to put acronymes in ads. Seem like GFE is still accepted (saw some list it) but everything else is forbidden... So we can't know for sure what to expect anymore. I was one of those that REALLY liked knowing what should be expected. Of course there can always be a YMMV factor BUT in general those services listing where very reliable in general.

Its just something that i feel is awkward to ask the agency on phone or in text... Make you somewhat feel like a perv... And lots of indies won't even want to see you if you ask for a certain service. I mean its a genuine question, but it seem like asking "do you do greek" for exemple will be a turn off for a provider that don't do it. She will think your a nasty one and all you want to do is put it there... When you could just be asking to know and be totally fine and ok to see her without doing it.

In any case since the removal of services in listing, i have not seen lots of girls, but the ones i saw ... some of them where ones that i already know, some where ones that i remember having them in there profile back then... But there is plenty of new girls that i drool over the pics, yet im questioning myself, should i ask the agency, can they reply to me.. should i take a chance? My MTL trips are limited these days, so i want to be sure to have the best experience possible...

Did any of you tried to ask for service to the agencies, did you got a good reply?

I guess its more of a hit or miss kind of thing these days, and sometimes its not so bad, i like surprises and there are times where you can make them feel comfortable with you first and then they kind of open up a little. As for asking the booker/agency, i guess some of their responses can be vague, so you have to learn to read between the lines and bookers who know you will steer you in the right direction without revealing to much. My take on this subject.....if your not sure, read the reviews, PM the reviewer and go from there, this is what merb is here for, to gain information.

Thor Jr

Halloween Mike said:

And lots of indies won't even want to see you if you ask for a certain service. I mean its a genuine question, but it seem like asking "do you do greek" for exemple will be a turn off for a provider that don't do it. She will think your a nasty one and all you want to do is put it there... When you could just be asking to know and be totally fine and ok to see her without doing it.

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Ah, tricky questions. If someone texts me and they don't even introduce themselves, the text just says "do greek?", then it is a turn-off for sure. But if I have already been chatting with you and you have been kind and respectful, then you ask me, I'm not going to be offended. But the nicest way I have found around these questions is to simply ask the girl what her restrictions are. Again, after you have established a bit of communication.

For me what makes the difference between GFE and PSE is a combination of service and attitude.
GFE is more sensual and includes DFK.
PSE is wild and may or may not include DFK but always includes cim and/or greek.

Never gave much thoughts into what differentiates one versus the other - I've definitely had experiences with girls that would clearly qualify as PSE (namely, bbfs and bbgk) yet absolutely none of them had advertised as such, or, in many cases, even as GFE for that matter.

Beyond labels, hobbying is first and foremost about a human experience; about vibes and chemistry. It's about that moment when two human beings become one, as they will forever have a common connection and from there, hopefully, a burning desire to make it as mutually memorable for one another as possible.

colin said:

Never gave much thoughts into what differentiates one versus the other - I've definitely had experiences with girls that would clearly qualify as PSE (namely, bbfs and bbgk) yet absolutely none of them had advertised as such, or, in many cases, even as GFE for that matter.

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I really, really hope you didn't partake in any of that with whomever these ladies were.

In my personal opinion, GFE as others have said is a much more personal and intimate experience, very much like being with a close partner, very sensual and passionate. But PSE can be sensual and passionate too, and you can definitely have a session with both involved.
I find the main difference with PSE is the sex acts involved...I guess you could say it's usually stuff you wouldn't usually ask your girlfriend to do for you ;P COF, COB, Russian, greek, DT, some spanking maybe, maybe some hair-pulling, swallowing, etc etc. Usually the down and dirty stuff!

Both have their pros and cons, but you can definitely have an amazing encounter mixing both together in perfect harmony; lots of passionate kissing, some really dirty sex with everything else in between, then some lovely calm pillow talk after...mmmm nothing quite like it!

Yes yes yes when you mix both... it becomes dynamite.

I third that motion!

Based on what I see in most porn these days it seems rimming might be part of the "porn star experience"

thanks a lot Amber Rose ... you turned me on ...dammit :smile:

Numerati said:

With GFE+ it is still there when it is all said and done. With PSE it falls right off without a second to spare. Reattachment is possible but very tricky.

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All jokes and wise ass-ness aside.....

When in Montreal/Toronto I know DFK and all the other usual acronyms are going to be on the menu so that doesn't really concern me.

GFE+ is not just a bunch of acronyms and what not. To me is whether I am transformed in anyway afterwards. If I can let go of what was holding me back before since finding that right SP will be liberating. Where after our encounter I am in total silence still thinking about it for days especially during the flight back. This will forever sticks with me. There are not many that can do that though. With the 36 SPs I have seen only about five would fit this description.

PSE on the other hand is on the physical aspect. As afterwards I am so spent and yet very very satisfied that I just don't feel like seeing SPs anymore. Where other SPs cannot compare to this PSE SP. Then this fades away within a day or two.

If given a choice I would take GFE+ over PSE any day.

With either these two kinds of encounters especially the GFE+ variety I would just revert back to my Howard Roark mindset and just go on perfecting my craft and constant evolution instead of having civilian female distractions! LOL. Also afterwards I have no need for porn or whatever for a good going on for months.

tiannas said:

Ah, tricky questions. If someone texts me and they don't even introduce themselves, the text just says "do greek?", then it is a turn-off for sure. But if I have already been chatting with you and you have been kind and respectful, then you ask me, I'm not going to be offended. But the nicest way I have found around these questions is to simply ask the girl what her restrictions are. Again, after you have established a bit of communication.

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Well i agree with you that a simple text saying "do greek" is shitty and i wouldn't respond either.. But on the same note i don't think you should have to wait for 5 mails or text to ask it, cause after all nobody want to waste his/her time. Simple introduction and all, then i think it should be fine to ask for service.

Of course i want just giving an exemple of a few lady friend i had that tough that way, it may be different from one to another. But its usually kinda badly seen to ask for greek it seem with some. I even saw ads on backpage(even tough i never seen anybody from there it still check ads for fun) says "don't ask for services in text" and that those messages would be ignore. Now for Greek, personally its not something that interest me too much, i did it a few times, first time it was cool, second time not as much, may do it again in the future but its definately not something i would looking for in a session. But i can understand for some it may be important.

Yet it seem with new laws and stuff its harder to ask for specific services. And asking for restriction, well this can backfire. Couple times i asked it, and replies where kinda like "don't pull my hair" or stuff like this, wich is all fine for me, not a rough type at all, but nothing else, then when getting close being tell "don't cum in my mouth" ... huh ok then... :/ lol

I guess you could say it's usually stuff you wouldn't usually ask your girlfriend to do for you ;P COF, COB, Russian, greek, DT, some spanking maybe, maybe some hair-pulling, swallowing, etc etc. Usually the down and dirty stuff!

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Do you consider COB a PSE style? Personally its kinda like my last resort, if i can't do cim or cof, i go for cob... better than nothing, usually all the vanilla GFE i saw so far where ok with it. I must admit i would be very disapointed if not even COB would be offered... as i just CAN'T cum in a condom and just stroking myself to finish in a kleenex would really feel "quicky at home" and not having a great time with a provider.

Personally im very vanilla when it comes to sex, lots of girls can't believe i see escorts since 2009 because i am often shy and all, but the klimax is the important part I kinda need to finish properly lol. They don't call it the moneyshot for nothing :amen:

Halloween Mike said:

And asking for restriction, well this can backfire. Couple times i asked it, and replies where kinda like "don't pull my hair" or stuff like this, wich is all fine for me, not a rough type at all, but nothing else, then when getting close being tell "don't cum in my mouth" ... huh ok then... :/ lol

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LOL! Well, if you ask me about restrictions I'm going to tell you straight up what services I don't provide. I assumed everyone would do the same. The girls who answered like this either weren't so bright, or they were pulling a fast one on you.

In your case, with the finish being so important, I think you should just ask ahead of time. If someone gets offended, then move on. You aren't in Montreal that often and don't have many chances for encounters, so why risk being disappointed?

Well this is more when i started... I was new and inexperienced, and then eventually i decided to go ONLY with agencies that listed services. But since now almost no agencies does... well i will have to adapt. Since the change last year, i have seen i think more or less only girls that i remembered what the services where from the listing times.

But with the increase of new girls since last year that never had service listing, yes i will have to adapt and find way to ask or such... Obviously i don't want to be disapointed, especially since i decreased my times in MTL since a little while.

I have been going thru the threads about GFE and PSE differences, and my conclusion is that the definition of these two varies from person to person. Well, if an SP brings a toy with her(or you have one she lets you use) is this PSE or GFE+? If she CIM,COB,COF, is this GFE or PSE? Anal? Cause most of these things were done in different combinations with several of my ex's. And they were business woman by day and WOW by night.

I was looking for a thread or poll to see who you consider to be GFE or PSE, i found none so i will start one to see who the majority here thinks is a GFE and PSE.


Thor Jr

In a nutshell:

If the sp gives the illusion you are with a lover or girlfriend then it is GFE.


If the sp gives you the illusion you are shooting a porno without the cameras and crewmembers then it is PSE.


Some sps are able to mix both.

It's all about psychology and illusion.