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    Motel bust??

    Can you really get busted at an incall that takes place in a motel? What are the chances of a receptionist or neighbors getting suspicious and calling the cops.

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    Sounds like you want to give an incall a try and your nervous about the repercussions, what will the neighbors say to the cops, " i think the people next door are having intercourse for money"? Its rare that you can get busted in a motel, not saying its impossible but in any reference its rare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor Jr View Post
    Sounds like you want to give an incall a try and your nervous about the repercussions, what will the neighbors say to the cops, " i think the people next door are having intercourse for money"? Its rare that you can get busted in a motel, not saying its impossible but in any reference its rare.

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    Damn you read my mind but has it ever happened in Montreal though?

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    Realistically, the legal risks for incall are negligible, but certainly higher than for outcall. Law enforcement activity in Montreal in this area is too small (basically nonexistent) to produce a meaningful sample size, so the US data is more useful. Cops in the States set up sting operations for incall, not outcall, for john busts. They are simply not going to send a wired female cop into a hotel room alone, and since they do not know which customers are going to call an escort, they cannot just rent the room next door and set up,listening devices. But they will use female cops as bait for incall, since backup can be placed a few feet away. The way to avoid incall risk from a sting perspective is to see reviewed escorts, whether that is in the US or Canada.

    Of course the real risk of incall, if surveillance is occurring, is being stopped outside the motel afterwards. Cops do not bust through hotel doors and make prostitution arrests. That is just TV shit that never happens. But in the US, they will stop guys leaving a place, including low-rent motels, and ask him questions. Particularly if they notice (or lie about noticing) a traffic violation. They give him the opportunity to fuck up. If he is not a guest, why was he there? If he was visiting a registered guest, please give us her real name. We hear a lot of drugs are sold at that motel, so we might just search your car for drugs, is that okay? Pretty soon, the poor blubbering guy spills the beans.

    So in the US, outcall is way safer than incall for johns. And nice hotels in city centers with foot traffic from conventions, shops, and restaurants are much safer for incall than low-rent motels. All of this of course increases the economic outlay for the guy getting the room, or for the escort staying at a nice city-center convention hotel.

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    [The way to avoid incall risk from a sting perspective is to see reviewed escorts, whether that is in the US or Canada].


    Is there still risk if you happen to know the sp?

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    Quote Originally Posted by h20 View Post
    [The way to avoid incall risk from a sting perspective is to see reviewed escorts, whether that is in the US or Canada].


    Is there still risk if you happen to know the sp?
    You cannot completely eliminate risk in life.

    Theoretically, especially under c-36, the incall escort could file a police complaint against the customer. The complaint would be most likely to be taken seriously if there is evidence that she was forced into the job against her will.

    Risks are further minimized in an incall situation by

    Seeing a well reviewed escort who has many reviews and, based on the reviews, seems to enjoy her work and makes a good living from it. Filing a police complaint against a customer and providing testimony against him regarding consensual sex is the end of her escort career, and

    Discarding evidence of sexual activity by flushing condoms down the toilet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patron View Post
    Realistically, the legal risks for incall are negligible, but certainly higher than for outcall. Law enforcement activity in Montreal in this area is too small (basically nonexistent) to produce a meaningful sample size, so the US data is more useful. Cops in the States set up sting operations for incall, not outcall, for john busts. They are simply not going to send a wired female cop into a hotel room alone, and since they do not know which customers are going to call an escort, they cannot just rent the room next door and set up,listening devices. But they will use female cops as bait for incall, since backup can be placed a few feet away. The way to avoid incall risk from a sting perspective is to see reviewed escorts, whether that is in the US or Canada.

    Of course the real risk of incall, if surveillance is occurring, is being stopped outside the motel afterwards. Cops do not bust through hotel doors and make prostitution arrests. That is just TV shit that never happens. But in the US, they will stop guys leaving a place, including low-rent motels, and ask him questions. Particularly if they notice (or lie about noticing) a traffic violation. They give him the opportunity to fuck up. If he is not a guest, why was he there? If he was visiting a registered guest, please give us her real name. We hear a lot of drugs are sold at that motel, so we might just search your car for drugs, is that okay? Pretty soon, the poor blubbering guy spills the beans.

    So in the US, outcall is way safer than incall for johns. And nice hotels in city centers with foot traffic from conventions, shops, and restaurants are much safer for incall than low-rent motels. All of this of course increases the economic outlay for the guy getting the room, or for the escort staying at a nice city-center convention hotel.
    What about the scenario of an outcall agency getting busted and your address found in their records ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnywalker8647 View Post
    What about the scenario of an outcall agency getting busted and your address found in their records ?
    I say move.
    So when will Hillary go to Prison?

    Only the Democrats would have a potential CONVICT as their Top Presidential Candidate. Simply Pathetic

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnywalker8647 View Post
    What about the scenario of an outcall agency getting busted and your address found in their records ?
    It does not prove a thing. It is not illegal to hire an escort.

    Now if the customer did something stupid, like emailing and texting regarding specific sex acts like BBBJTC, then it would appear that sex for money might have taken place.

    Of course the wrinkle with c-36 is that the escort, if she is compelled to do so, can testify regarding whether or not sex for money occurred. Which is why the actual physical evidence of sex such as the used condom, and circumstantial evidence such as written communications in emails/texts regarding sex acts, are so undesirable.

    But realistically, the primary focus of US law enforcement a few years ago was shutting down escort services that operated across state lines. A ton of customer lists were seized, but the only actions taken were against the US escort services, even though many of those customer lists detailed the services the customers liked.

    Names on a list mean very little, if for no other reason than the fact that they can be made up. If a list includes Mackay himself and says he enjoys some bizarre fetish, do you think the police are going to go question him, or assume that the information is fake? If the police start excluding some targets and not others, it creates bad publicity for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnywalker8647 View Post
    What about the scenario of an outcall agency getting busted and your address found in their records ?
    I would say !What about it ?
    https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Canadi...of_of_Elements
    In a Criminal trial, the crown will present evidence that will tend to establish the offence charged. Each offence in the Criminal Code is broken down into "elements" that comprise the offence. Each element must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt before a judge can consider making a verdict of guilt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patron View Post
    It does not prove a thing. It is not illegal to hire an escort.

    Now if the customer did something stupid, like emailing and texting regarding specific sex acts like BBBJTC, then it would appear that sex for money might have taken place.

    Of course the wrinkle with c-36 is that the escort, if she is compelled to do so, can testify regarding whether or not sex for money occurred. Which is why the actual physical evidence of sex such as the used condom, and circumstantial evidence such as written communications in emails/texts regarding sex acts, are so undesirable.

    But realistically, the primary focus of US law enforcement a few years ago was shutting down escort services that operated across state lines. A ton of customer lists were seized, but the only actions taken were against the US escort services, even though many of those customer lists detailed the services the customers liked.

    Names on a list mean very little, if for no other reason than the fact that they can be made up. If a list includes Mackay himself and says he enjoys some bizarre fetish, do you think the police are going to go question him, or assume that the information is fake? If the police start excluding some targets and not others, it creates bad publicity for them.
    It isn't illegal to hire an escort for companionship, but let's say an agency was busted for providing sexual services. Your address being found in the records of an agency known to provide sexual services for a consideration give the cops reasonable doubts to lay charges. It's up to judges and prosecutors to prove it not the cops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BookerL View Post
    I would say !What about it ?
    https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Canadi...of_of_Elements
    In a Criminal trial, the crown will present evidence that will tend to establish the offence charged. Each offence in the Criminal Code is broken down into "elements" that comprise the offence. Each element must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt before a judge can consider making a verdict of guilt.

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    True, but again this i the job of judges and courts not cops. Cops have reasonable doubts to lay charges as they found your address in the record of an agency known to provide sexual services.so there is the risk to be charged

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnywalker8647 View Post
    Cops have reasonable doubts to lay charges as they found your address in the record of an agency known to provide sexual services.so there is the risk to be charged
    Hello johnywalker8647

    A popular saying "its not what the Cops knows,its what they can prove "

    Well its very technical !Police does have discretionary power of arrest .But there is a large step in between arresting and charging someone .

    More important crimes are being committed ,crown attorneys are overworked .Solid evidence is required in court to make it stick .
    If the only evidence they have is your address and nothing else ,it is very unlikely they will proceed to trial based only on that .
    As for myself I would not be uncomfortable with that situation ,I have been in much worst !


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    Quote Originally Posted by johnywalker8647 View Post
    It isn't illegal to hire an escort for companionship, but let's say an agency was busted for providing sexual services. Your address being found in the records of an agency known to provide sexual services for a consideration give the cops reasonable doubts to lay charges. It's up to judges and prosecutors to prove it not the cops.
    I said in my first post in this thread that it is impossible to eliminate all risk. Based on law enforcement activity in the States and my understanding of the relatively greater rights of the accused in Canada, I think the chance of what you are describing happening are millions to one. I cannot even begin to imagine how the cops would approach it. I guess they start matching up cell phone numbers to databases and hotel registration lists, etc. You are talking about unimaginable man hours, and every time someone is falsely accused, either because of fake names on the list or because at least one of the guys on the list actually did just get companionship, all the other guys argue that the case against them should also be dropped. In other words, there is a good reason that police work is not done this way.

    Life is all about risk minimization. The police have stated that their emphasis will be on trafficked persons. Seeing an unreviewed escort advertising on a venue.such as Backpage or Annonce 123 (sp?), at a low price is obviously more dangerous than seeing a reviewed lady either working for herself or through a reputable agency already known to law enforcement. If stings are done, it will likely be through Backpage or Annonce ads. If the police find that an underaged, pimped-out girl is in fact being forced to work in a low-rent motel against her will, they may indeed contact all of the customers that called her cell phone and possibly make arrests.

    There is no way to predict these things, so most people just make rational decisions. Seeing a well-reviewed lady who seems to enjoy her job (based on those reviews) and charges an amount that allows her to make a good living would be one step. Seeing her at a place that minimizes the small chance of police questioning would be another.

    This is the way it has worked in the States, at least, for a long time. The chance of arrest involving a high-priced call girl going to a nice hotel in a large city is as close to zero as it can be, even if a paper trail is left and is later discovered. The chance of arrest in the U.S. involving incall at a low-budget place and a low-cost provider advertising on Backpage is small, but statistically significant enough to be concerned about - it does really happen in the U.S. I suspect in the long-run the same will be true in Montreal under c-36, but that is just my guess.

    This police in the States argue that their approach reduces exploitation, finds illegal drugs, and protects distressed neighborhoods. They have a point. On the other hand, some argue that it causes law enforcement to be directed at the poor, even though the expensive call girl and the john at the big hotel are committing the same crime.

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    Listen guys, if you are in doubt and it may cause you stress, stick to tinder and other sites that may get you what you want, you may go and try to see an SP and after a few times you are comfortable, but to go and every time you here a noise or a knock here and there and your uncomfortable and it ruins your time, i was there a long time ago, but its rare to find yourself in trouble because your so friggin horny or just a pervert in general. lol. Do it and enjoy yourself, you are safe as long as you dont book a room in a police station. lol

    Thor Jr

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