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    Suzy Favor Hamilton book

    I thought we had a Suzy Favor (such a better handle than her Kelly Lundy working name), but it is probably stuck in the Vegas thread.

    Should be interesting to read the book, or at least the reviews, and see whether she disses the sex industry.

    I never saw her, but I kind of which I had for the novelty of it. She had fantastic reviews. Even though she was a bit older, the body was apparently beyond belief and the performance was out of this world.

    Her outing completely ruined one of the premier agencies in Las Vegas. I remember speaking to the agency owner once, who was a former escort, and she was cool. The lady I always see in Vegas ended up being available, so I never booked anyone with that agency. It just voluntarily shut down after the Suzy revelation. To the best of my knowledge, no one faced any legal problems.

    To refresh everyone's memory, Suzy was a star Olympic athlete who toured for Nike and several running organizations as a sponsor and spokesperson. A lot of the shows were in Vegas, and she worked for an agency that made her available in the evenings after work, for a hell of a lot of money. When it came out that she was an escort, everyone dumped her, - Nike, the Big Ten (who had named a trophy after her), and even the Wisconsin potato growers who had her submit recipes (no one knows if those recipes were ghostwritten or not).

    I think it would be great if she just blasted everyone. The ironies are just amazing. The world celebrated when she used her body for running while being trained by a sadistic Eastern European college coach thst had her subsist on a diet of white lettuce, water and the occasional soda, but when she used that body for consensual commercial sex, every company acted like she was untouchable. Should be interesting to read what she thinks of it, if she is allowed to be truthful.

    http://www.amazon.com/Fast-Girl-Spen.../dp/0062346229

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    Poor nympho...!!. I guess she just made the wrong choices considering she was in the PRUDish-USA. She had sponsoring contracts with a lot of companies and she just got greedy I guess with the lucrative escort business in the barren sex-land called the USA. Pays big there in X-rated and adult businesses. Lots of French-Canadian hotties tour the USA because of that. And when they come back to Canada, they play the "I am so rich and Canadian guys are so poor" game.

    I knew an athlete like that (a gymnast of English background). She was in her early twenties and a star gymnast at a big-10 University in the USA. A total hottie. She had a VERY HIGH SEX DRIVE. She would go to bars almost every night and pickup a new guy for sex as long as I was there (one year) where she was (a big city in the USA). Hard to find babes like that in USA or Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azzaro View Post
    Poor nympho...!!. I guess she just made the wrong choices considering she was in the PRUDish-USA.
    Or, the alternate explanation, provided by herself: she had a serious mental disease that wasn't properly managed. Doesn't seem comparable with the very high sex drive athlete you knew...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange_Julep View Post
    Or, the alternate explanation, provided by herself: she had a serious mental disease that wasn't properly managed. Doesn't seem comparable with the very high sex drive athlete you knew...
    My concern is that she is going to play the victim route in order to become spokesperson for mental health treatment and mind altering drugs prescribed by shrinks. Her primary job, after all, was that of a spokesperson.

    She never indicated any level of unhappiness with her escorting life, until the outing by the intrusive media wrecked her very existence. I would certainly be interested in her honest opinions, but there is probably more money in it for her to diss the sex industry, instead of defending it. So it will be hard to know what her real opinions are. It is pretty chilling how much damage a piece of shit journalist can do.

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    If you know anything about Hamilton, she definitely has struggled with mental health issues in her life. When she fell in 1500m final of the 2000 Olympics, it was clearly because of the psychological pressure she was feeling at the time.

    https://youtu.be/N50onEHuA2A

    I realize this plays into the stereotype that sex workers must be damaged in some way, but it's clear that she has been struggling with depression for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patron View Post
    My concern is that she is going to play the victim route in order to become spokesperson for mental health treatment and mind altering drugs prescribed by shrinks.
    Well, I don't know. I've known a few legit bipolar people in my life and yeah, that does fit the profile, at least the way she tells it, especially considering the "married" element and her husband's (surprising) support (I guess this could also be a ploy on his part to make more earnings off his wife's name, but my understanding is her name has zero value today). I'm no manic-depression expert but I also understand that this is one of the most difficult diseases to treat (manic-depression as in BP1, not BP2, which sometimes becomes a synonym of BPD, which seriously, seems to be a catch-all for a whole bunch of personality traits that don't fit with the "norm") right up there with schizophrenics.

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    A STAR athlete with "undiagnosed" BPD ...hmmmm...with so many eyes on a person like that..difficult to believe.
    Maybe it was the fucked-up diet and mental-physical-pressure for her "athletic career"...that PUSHED her into a "NYMPHOMANIAC" stage...a late BLOOMER..nothing wrong with that...is what I am gonna vote for!.

    I remember that Madonna song from the 80s where she says ..I am a this..I am a that..(from one female role..to another..to another). Don't remember the exact lyrics..or name. A lot of hidden talents never come out in a person. One is lucky when those talents do and also help them make money.

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    Bipolar hypersexuality is very tricky. Typically it is defined by a level of sexuality higher than normal for that person and by risky sexual behaviors. The problem is that neither of these definitions are at all definitive. First how do we know what is normal for an individual? Many of the medications used to treat bipolar come with a side effect - decreased sex drive. So once a patient is medicated and their sex drive has been decreased, they may believe they are finally "normal", when in fact their sex drive is being artificially depressed and it may have been normal all along. As far as risky behaviors, the psychiatric profession specifically calls out engaging in sex with prostitutes as a risky behavior. Note that this is often the only thing they call out, not even mentioning one night stands, unprotected sex, etc.
    There are many people in this world who do not suffer from mental illness who have a high sex drive and see prostitutes, or are prostitutes. I am not sure that I really believe that bipolar hypersexuality is as prevalent as it is made out to be. I suspect that in fact many are people who simply had healthy but possibly high sex drives until they received medication which depressed their sex drive and led them to incorrectly believe that they would normally be at that reduced level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azzaro View Post
    A STAR athlete with "undiagnosed" BPD ...hmmmm...with so many eyes on a person like that..difficult to believe.
    Maybe it was the fucked-up diet and mental-physical-pressure for her "athletic career"...that PUSHED
    Again, as someone who's actually known BP1 people (two to be specific, one of whom I've been close friends with for half of my life), I have no difficulty at all believing this, especially because we are not trained to see some BP1 behaviours as especially problematic and not just "over-the-top happy/confident/angry/depressed". With the close friend though, you do see things differently when you are engaged with them over such a long period (and finally learn of this condition and put the two and two together and they eventually get real help). You hear their stories, you see the damage, you live their plight. It is, I find, an even more damaging disease than even schizophrenia because at least a real schizophrenic behaves sufficiently outside the bounds of rational behavior to be seen as such (one friend's bf was diagnosed and what I remember most of him in the last months before he was hospitalized was his never-ending conspiracy theories mainly involving his being spied on by government officers... I had always thought this was the stuff of movies!), whereas BP1 routinely gets mistaken for moodiness, assertiveness and confidence. It's something you can only really tell apart from a normal state when you actually know the person very well, which is probably why it's so hard to diagnose when you're a psychiatrist who's only had a couple hours if that with the patient.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiannas
    Bipolar hypersexuality is very tricky.
    It's not tricky when compared to that person's own behavioral norm. Speaking of BP1, which is the reinvented term for manic-depression, which is not at all the same thing as BP2. A person (and even a BP2 individual) doesn't just go from married and monogamous to "I think it would be a great idea to live my sexuality through prostitution", and that state doesn't persist over time. I think we really have to distinguish "hypersexuality" from an individual's "base point". I agree with you that BP is wayyy over diagnosed, or maybe way too many people read way too many BP related websites and self-diagnose and then tell people they are BP - most often confusing BP1 and BP2, the catch all type - without really understanding what is at stake. But let me tell you, having unfortunately had to pick up the pieces in a long-term experience with a very close friend, who systematically, over years, several times a year, engaged in a host of behaviors (I bought new furniture to replace the furniture in my whole apartment; more insane sexcapades than I've ever had as an escort [she was not single]; I quit my job because I think I'm supposed to have this new great purpose in life; multiple, multiple suicide attempts; etc.), the stuff you read in the DSM manual *does* actually exist and at least for this condition, isn't exaggerated. Overdiagnosis is an issue, especially considering, oddly, it seems most of these mental illness sufferers would be women (unlike schizophrenia), but manic-depression, I tell you, I've seen it textbook, and it exists independently from social norms that say women shouldn't be sexual.

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    Based on this excerpt, she is officially a hard chick to figure out.

    I still can't help but contemplate whether she would have had a happier life if our piece of shit media had not "outed" her, but it is nice that she at least does not condemn current sex workers.

    http://espn.go.com/espnw/news-commen...mental-illness

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    She does a pretty good job of not trashing the commercial sex industry in her recent interview

    http://titsandsass.com/not-good-for-...avor-hamilton/

    She does have a fine line to walk. Keep her family intact, promote a book whose primary audience is women who have never escorted, and maintain a reputation that will allow her to get sponsors (or at least more yoga students).

    Probably would have been easier to just say escorting is terrible for everyone and that the customers are losers. That is what the ladies on The View would want to hear, so I tip my cap to her for not doing that.

    I wonder how many of our Montreal agency providers secretly think some of their coworkers are mentally unbalanced. We see a different side of them than how they act in the limo when going from appointment to appointment. I remember asking one agency chick about one of her coworkers that I wanted to book, and she said that other girl was a complete ditz who is too dumb to find her way from the hotel room to the limo without getting directions. Other than that I have never heard any of them diss each other.

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    Damn! Even her book got good reviews. I don't know. It seems that everything that she did or does is best in class. I'm afraid I'm going to have to put her on the escorts I would like to see make a comeback list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patron View Post
    She does a pretty good job of not trashing the commercial sex industry in her recent interview
    http://titsandsass.com/not-good-for-...avor-hamilton/
    ...Probably would have been easier to just say escorting is terrible for everyone and that the customers are losers. That is what the ladies on The View would want to hear, so I tip my cap to her for not doing that.
    Patron, thanks for that link. It was an interesting interview.

    I'm also glad to see that she did not fall back on the "I was a victim" excuse for her actions. She acknowledges that she enjoyed being an escort, but she probaly would not have done it if she had not suffered from bipolar disorder.

    It must have been a strange experience being her husband. Imagine being married to a beautiful woman like her and when you go to Vegas to celebrate your anniversary, she suggests that you have a threesome with an escort. He must have thought that he discovered plutonium...by accident! And then she decides that she enjoyed the experience so much that she wants to become an escort herself.

    How did the husband take that news? I always wondered about that. Was he horrified? Dubious? Intrigued? Thrilled? The fact that he stayed with her leads me to believe that he was OK with the idea, at least at first. Of course, once she was outed, he had to say that he was against it. Otherwise people probably would have blamed him for "pimping" his wife.

    I also wondered why one of her clients took her story to The Smoking Gun--money I guess. I hope some terrible fate befalls that guy.

    Once The Smoking Gun had the story, there was no way they would not publish it, because it's just that kind of website. You expect it of a site like that. It was actually more disgusting to see how the mainstream media eagerly rushed to cover the story once it was out there. They would argue that it was a legit story because she was a public figure and they were not the ones doing the initial unmasking of her, but their coverage was just as salacious as that of the Smoking Gun.

    I have also wondered about a possible connection between her running career and her state of mind.* She was a great runner who won a lot of important races but failed to achieve her biggest goal, an Olympic gold medal. She devoted tremendous time and effort to her running career but I wonder whether she really enjoyed it. Maybe becoming an escort was an act of rebellion against all the sacrifices she made to become an elite runner. Or maybe becoming an escort was a new way to channel her competitive instinct. Some of the news stories about her state that she became obsessive about achieving a high ranking on a certain review site. She certainly received a lot of outstanding reviews.

    Anyway, she seems to have bounced back from her troubles. It's nice to see that she got the treatment she needs, that her family is intact and she seems happy.

    * A review of her book in The New Yorker raises this issue:

    Favor Hamilton believes that aspects of her later bipolar diagnosis were visible early in her life, and that, as a child, running offered her a feeling of relief. But running was not an entirely benign force. The pressures of competition gave rise to anxiety that haunted and drove Favor Hamilton throughout college and her professional career. She became one of the best runners in American history, competing in three Olympics; she also fought an eating disorder, and, at the last of those Olympics, in Sydney, in 2000, she suffered a mid-race collapse. Favor Hamilton’s story has captured attention because of her work as an escort, but “Fast Girl” is ultimately more interesting for what it says about the psychological demands of high-level sports.

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    Here are a couple related stories published by the Las Vegas Sun at the time the book came out. The first one is an interview with the woman, Jami Rodman (AKA Haley Heston) who ran the agency where Suzy Favor Hamilton worked. Rodman will have her own book published in December (the 3-year anniversary of the outing of Hamilton and the subsequent closing of her agency, which was once considered to be the best agency in Vegas). I actually think Jami is more attractive than Suzy.

    Las Vegas madam spills call-girl secrets: Olympian was one of her high-priced hookers

    ‘Picking up men in Las Vegas … the gigolo was part of the progression’
    Strasser: By the way, the murder of the couriers, what has been done?
    Renault: Realizing the importance of the case, my men are rounding up twice the usual number of suspects.
    Heinze: We already know who the murderer is.
    Strasser: Good. Is he in custody?
    Renault: Oh, there's no hurry. Tonight he'll be at Rick's. Everybody comes to Rick's.

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