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    Sp world vs real world

    I guess that I'm getting old. After taking a brief look at a lot of agency roster, the independent variety, and without taking into account all independent advertising on other site, I was quite surprise of the number of SP in the Montreal region.

    It is quite fun to be able to fulfill any sexual fantasy at anytime but as a society, I find it quite disturbing.

    Let's do some approximative maths just for fun. For every woman out there, let's say there's about 5 clients a week. Some of them repeat, some of them do it once in a while. For the fun of it, let's just pretend there's a ratio of 1 sp for 10 clients (I know we cannot scientifically calculate it like this) at an average rate of 250$ per hour, multiple by let's say 40 weeks, that's a lot of money; even without considering the street market, the girls who are abused by pimps, and massage parlors and strip clubs

    Although sex sells, I totally understand that you don't necessarily get rich of doing it, I'm only saying that it generates a lot of money, cash money. Without even considering all the money that is involved in hotels, location, clothing, transport, pictures, Web sites, advertising and etc

    My problem in that is not the money. It's the people, the people involved as a society. If there is so much offer around us, it's because there's a demand and if there's a demand, it's because there's a need. If woman are offering sex and man are paying for it, I believe that the majority of the people involved like sex. If they like it, why can't they just have it in our regular life situation.

    There's always this myth that the girl is not into it and that's why man go to pay for sex. The older I get, they less I buy it. Woman like sex, they might not like to be fucked but they genuinely enjoy sex. So what's the problem, is it the idea that if we enjoy having sex, we need to be finished in a relationship? Is it because it's not well seen that a girl has a fuckfriend? Is it because of porn and people are looking just to fuck?

    I'm curious to know your opinions on this

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    Ce Quebec ne manque pas d'argent, il manque d'amour et d'égalité.

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    Yes, most women enjoy sex, but that does not detract from the economics of commercial sex.

    1. A younger man purchases sex because he dislikes "the game" and "the system" in which women his own age constantly evaluate him as a life mate, and expect him to "work at the relationship" despite the fact that not only does he have no free time (he is after all trying to build a life), but the whole thing (girls, work, daily life) is new and stressful, and he is always viewed as "immature" in social situations. His female peers hold all of the cards. All the guys want them (even much older guys), and a female of this age has to make a choice that not only pleases herself, but impresses her friends. For a guy, the Blink-182 lyric "nobody likes you when you are 23" is well put. Although it is less rhythmatic, the truth is that nobody likes you when you are 18-35. Sometimes he says fuck it and buys himself a nice piece of tail. Good for him. Sometimes older guys deride this decision, and his response should be Fuck You.

    2. An older guy finds himself with the opportunity to have sex with his female peer group without nearly as much hassle as a younger guy faces. But many face the practical difficulty of not being attracted to the majority of those peers. If he is fortunate enough to have gotten married to a beautiful woman when young, and if they have a true friendship, he always sees her as that hot babe he fell in love with. It is sweet, but rare. For the majority of older guys, the enjoyment from sex with a very hot young woman is simply worth the cost, in comparison to the very limited enjoyment that would obtain from "free" sex with someone who provides it for "free". One of my favorite movie scenes was in the movie About Schmidt. After the wife of the character played by Jack Nicholson dies, the guy must get accustomed to bachelor life. An older woman, with some extra weight, stretch marks, and saggy breasts tries to seduce him by entering the hot tub naked, and he gets up and runs half-naked through the woods to get back to his RV in which he is taking a solo vacation through the U.S. He did not see his beloved wife that way, but he could see reality when faced with a new acquaintance.

    3. A young woman realizes the valuable patch of real estate between her legs has a limited economic life, and makes some money from it. Good for her - but she should be nicer to those younger guys trying to make it in life.

    4. An older woman tries to find the few older guys who appreciate her for what she is - instead of running out of the hot tub when she enters. I hope she finds them, not only because it is nice when everyone is happy, but she does not spend her free time advocating for c-36. She doesn't sell tail, because she is just not going to get much for it.

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    Oh man that is so cynical. The number of girls that are looking for older gents is so small as to be negligible. The vast majority of women 18-30 are dating in their age pool.
    Maybe in "hobby-land" where young women will easily date a guy 15 or 25 years older it is common? I don't know many girls outside this biz that date 10 years older than they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eviltmp View Post
    Oh man that is so cynical. The number of girls that are looking for older gents is so small as to be negligible. The vast majority of women 18-30 are dating in their age pool.
    Maybe in "hobby-land" where young women will easily date a guy 15 or 25 years older it is common? I don't know many girls outside this biz that date 10 years older than they are.
    I may not have expressed myself correctly. Guys from 16-96 pursue women in the 18-30 year old category, which puts them in the drivers seat. Most of their sexual interaction with men much older than them involves commercial sex.

    Women are less pressured to get married young and that creates some interesting distortions. I think relatively more hot younger girls are willing to include selling sex in their scope of activities than in yesteryear. While young women have it good in this scenario, unexpected anomalies occur. In another thread, there was a study suggesting that the tendency of many young women pursuing the most desirable young men has allowed those fortunate young men to reap so many benefits that many never marry - those guys have it too good. Of course it results, I suppose, in other young men being more inclined to purchase the sex they are not obtaining "for free".

    The farther society gets from everyone getting married young, with one spouse (historically the male) doing the bulk of the lifetime earning, and staying married, the more the economics of commercial sex come into play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eviltmp View Post
    Maybe in "hobby-land" where young women will easily date a guy 15 or 25 years older it is common? I don't know many girls outside this biz that date 10 years older than they are.
    Well ... why do you think those girls (let say 20-30) don't date guys 10y older than them?
    Simple ... because our so called free thinking and democratic society DON'T think it is "acceptable" not to talk about "morality"

    Love has no "age" ...
    Plain and simple
    NO Expectations, High satisfactions!

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    Wow, that is quite a leap there. There might even be a pirouette or two thrown in.
    I doubt you can easily say that women 20-30 years old do not date older men because it's "unacceptable" and not "moral". You do not have a way of knowing this for a fact.

    Why do I think that most women date in their age group? Because it is much easier to establish a connection with someone in your age group, generally speaking.

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    Personally I have given up on "real world relationships" because of the head games and being with SP's is all I do now.

    For the most part it keeps me satisfied when and how I want.

    Satisfaction however is a long way from happiness.

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    I've learnt during my life that its best not to confine one's view on the idea of sex. Sexual attraction is not something that is the same for everyone.

    I've seen ladies have sexual relations with gentleman, who are least 10 years older. Just as I've seen guys (myself included) with ladies, who also happen to be at least 10 years older.

    I know of friends that have been and/or in are variety of relations with others. I've seen individuals in polyamorous relationships, monogamous relationships from all types of backgrounds. There are those who just have fuck friends, without being in a relationships. There's is no one shoe fits all for everybody when it come to sex.

    And yes, woman like having sex. However, just because she wants to have sex, while I want to have sex does not necessarily mean that sex will happen. So many factors are involved in our social environments that determine if something may or may not happen.

    Which leads to why we, men and women, will seek out sex workers to fulfill that desire to spend time with someone else.

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    Well, let me add my 2cents...

    Sex is available at a very young age these days. So available that it is consumed as a drug for its 'buzz' value, starting at 10, 11 years of age. This was not true for older people, even people who are now in their late thirties. So there are a lot of people who are left out of this bonanza--if it is a bonanza! People are left out, because of age, looks, IQ (too low or too high!), or whatever reason. Our one dimensional society dominated by neo-capitalist pseudo-values is not kind to those who are 'different'. This is equally true for men and women. What I do not understand is why there are not as many male escorts as there are female escorts.

    I like what Melyssa says: we need amour et égalité! I agree that there is no 'égalité' in our society, despite Justin Trudeau's famous: 'because we are in 2015'! Perhaps if there was égalité there would be as many male escorts as female escorts? Perhaps there are more men that assume their sex drive than women, and the women who do, well, they realize that they could make money while enjoying sex--and they do. They are neither better nor worse than other women, just more astute and daring. Does this solve the problem of égalité or does it perpetuate inégalité? I have questions not answers.

    But let's talk about l'amour, qui nous manque autant que l'égalité! When sex becomes trivial, we lose the capacity of associating it with love, and we loose it very quickly. Our one dimensional society thrives on this dissociation and on many other dissociations. Pleasure is truly fulfilling only if experienced by the whole person, and a whole person is connected with others, But in a society that thrives on dissociation, healthy pleasure is replaced by all kinds of bulimias (food, drinks, work)!

    I do believe that sex is a lot more wonderful if it is 'spiritual' and by this I mean simply 'associated with love': if it is an act of two whole persons who exchange not only body fluids but also some kind of love. Some kind of love, not necessarily love that is monogamous, indissoluble, and rests on a heavily mortgaged house and two cars! I also believe that it is possible in the 'sp world' to recreate such an association, and I try to behave according to my belief. I am fully aware that it is not easy to recreate the link, since it is totally countercultural. It is countercultural not because the 'sp world' is different from 'the real world', but precisely because it is just the same as 'the real world'.

    I won't give up. Please, wish me good luck!

    Orgone

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    80 percent of the straight adult men want to fuck 20 percent of the adult women.

    Some guys are fortunate enough to have periods of time in which they are with someone in this 20 percent figure during a traditional romantic relationship.

    Other guys are pleased to expend economic resources to fuck women in that 20 percent category, sometimes spending most of their lifetimes only fucking women in this category. A great number of others, after losing attraction to a wife, use commercial sex workers for sex but maintain a healthy emotional relationship with the wife (perhaps not telling her about the commercial sex workers).

    Many men think it silly to bother with at all. There is an oldies song "Marry you an Ugly Girl" that is amusing.

    But the basic rules of attraction, and the logical pursuit of the "best" mate, and or the accumulation of economic wealth, the women in that 20 percent category, prohibits any equality. It is just not possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TinaMtl View Post
    In this busy world where performance, family and other obligations rule, there is very little time for regular dating and.... that regular dating sucks most of the time.
    I don't agree with that.. Sorry. We've been leaving in a world of performance for a really long time now. Regular dating can be as simple as booking with an SP, but it could also be really disappointing. The way I see it, we, and i definitly include myselft into that, we can't stand to be rejected, we can't stand to take the chance to meet and flip the coin. I had the pleasure to meet some really nice ladies throught dating, with some that remain friends with no benefit. I've also met girl who clearly wasted my time.

    But saying that we don't have time, I don't buy it. I work, i have my son, i workout, i go for drinks, i travel for work and still have time for dating and I know a lot of poeple who have a crazier schedule than I do.

    My 2 cents...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TinaMtl View Post
    Problem is most young men are unexperienced and extremely selfish (sexually). .
    I have to agree with you on that. I've had a lot of girl colleagues who complained about it and girls that i've dated too. It's always surprising and sometimes annoying when a girl gets really surprise that sincerely care about what she's sexually confortable with. Men have a big responsability in that but so do women; at one point, as you can stand for yourselff in eal life, you need to express your desire in the bed. I've been a hand full a women who couldn't even say with words what they wanted, some were shy, some i unfortunately believe didn't even know. That's not normal...at 18 yes..not at 29-32 years old..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patron View Post
    80 percent of the straight adult men want to fuck 20 percent of the adult women.
    Can't agree more. But why? Because of publicity? Because of porn? Because of social pressure? My best sex episodes have always been with GND type of girl. I've had the opportunity to be with 2 really good looking girls in my life and they were a real nightmare. And sex was horrible. Do you need to live it to get over the dream?

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    Quote Originally Posted by orgone View Post
    Perhaps if there was égalité there would be as many male escorts as female escorts? Perhaps there are more men that assume their sex drive than women, and the women who do, well, they realize that they could make money while enjoying sex--and they do. They are neither better nor worse than other women, just more astute and daring. Does this solve the problem of égalité or does it perpetuate inégalité? I have questions not answers.
    The reality is that if a woman want to have sex, she's oftenly have more opportunity in real life, at school, at work or just going for a coffee. And yes there's still a problem of egalité, no doubt about that,...

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