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    Safety precautions during a motel/hotel incall.

    Hello guys,

    I'm planning on visiting an indy SP (motel incall at Lajeunesse). I have never done an incall at a motel before. Is it safe to do so? What precautionary steps do you guys take in such cases.

    (Outcall is not an option since some close relatives will be visiting around that time).

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    Book someone who is reviewed here, make an appointment and go there. For better incalls there are plenty of well reviewed agancies here. Out call can be an option if you rent a room.
    Some backpage unknown working out of a motel is like flipping a coin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol Tee Nutz View Post
    Book someone who is reviewed here, make an appointment and go there. For better incalls there are plenty of well reviewed agancies here. Out call can be an option if you rent a room.
    Some backpage unknown working out of a motel is like flipping a coin.
    I agree with Sol Tee Nutz. And there are many Indy's on MERB that do in-call. Example Indy Companion, or for Agency Nadya's
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    Sol tee nutz is certainly correct in that your first priority is making sure the person on the other side of the door is not a cop. That is 99.9999999 percent of the battle, and is won by reading reviews.

    Beyond that, here are a few things those of us who have been violating the law in the U.S. for a very long time have learned:

    1. Pay a little more. The more upscale the hotel, the less likely that any provider there is under surveillance. Hotels in big city centers are not law enforcement targets, whereas motels in poor areas of big cities and in small towns are. Canada as it progresses in law enforcement activity in this area may not follow this US trend, but I suspect that it will. Poor people are charged with crimes a lot more than rich people, so try not to look poor while you are committing a crime.

    2. Look like you belong there. One incall provider told me that she liked the way I always carried a bag into the room. If was actually because I like bringing some sex toys and condoms, but she felt it was a tip-off to anyone watching if a lot of guys come to her room after walking through the lobby with no bags. Another advantage of bringing a bag is that incall providers love it when you bring your own towel. The biggest problem they face is getting enough towels from the hotel without being obvious, and the traveling US upscale providers hate lugging around a full suitcase full of towels.

    3. Further to number 2, don't look like a dumbass. Every incall agency and incall independent's worst nightmare is having guy after guy sit in the lobby with a cell phone and carefully repeat "Room 302" while writing it down on the newspaper he has been pretending to read for five minutes while waiting for his cell phone to ring. This is a little less of a problem with texting, but there is no reason to sit and wait right in front of the check-in desk. Most hotels and motels have chairs that are not visible from the check-in desk.

    4. Perhaps most importantly, obey the fucking traffic laws when leaving a motel. Most people turn to jelly if confronted by the cops. When an incall place is under surveillance in the U.S., the standard procedure is to stop a suspected john for a traffic violation after seeing him leave a motel parking lot, and then try to get him to admit to illegal activity such as prostitution or drugs. He does not have to admit to those things, but had often panics and does so. Not violating traffic laws minimizes the chance of him getting stopped since the cops do not want to look bad by making an invalid traffic accusation. One of the big disadvantages of small town motels is that a John likely parks right in the motel parking lot that is under surveillance and the cops see who enters and leaves. That is less likely in a big city hotel.

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    IMO, don't park at the motel. Take mass transit, or if that's not practical, park 10 blocks from the motel and walk. Keep your license plate out of any databases. If you are in an automobile, you must identify yourself to the police. If you are on foot and are not being detained for any violation, you are not obliged to identify yourself. Make and confirm the appointment from a payphone (use coins not a credit card) or use a pre-paid throw-away cell phone that cannot be traced to you.

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    I take mass transit, in the US, because technically cops can seize your car and anything in your person, and the defendant can be made to forfeit everything seized during (leaving after the deed is still a continuation of the illegal acts) the arrest, if convicted.

    Go to upscale hotels in downtown areas or "condo" complexes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patron View Post
    Sol tee nutz is certainly correct in that your first priority is making sure the person on the other side of the door is not a cop. That I'd 99.9999999 percent of the battle, and is won by reading reviews.

    Beyond that, here are a few things those of us who have been violating the law in the U.S. for a very long time have learned:

    1. Pay a little more. The more upscale the hotel, the less likely that any provider there is under surveillance. Hotels in big city centers are not law enforcement targets, whereas motels in poor areas of big cities and in small towns are. Canada as it progresses in law enforcement activity in this area may not follow this US trend, but I suspect that it will. Poor people are charged with crimes a lot more than rich people, so try not to look poor while you are committing a crime.

    2. Look like you belong there. One incall provider told me that she liked the way I always carried a bag into the room. If was actually because I like bringing some sex toys and condoms, but she felt it was a tip-off to anyone watching if a lot of guys come to her room after walking through the lobby with no bags. Another advantage of bringing a bag is that incall providers love it when you bring your own towel. The biggest problem they face is getting enough towels from the hotel without being obvious, and the traveling US upscale providers hate lugging around a full suitcase full of towels.

    3. Further to number 2, don't look like a dumbass. Every incall agency and incall independent's worst nightmare is having guy after guy sign in the lobby with a cell phone and carefully repeat "Room 302" while writing it down on the newspaper he has been pretending to read for five minutes while waiting for his cell phone to ring. This is a little less of a problem with texting, but there is no reason to sit and waif right in front of the check-in desk. Most hotels and motels have chairs that are not visible from the check-in desk.

    4. Perhaps most importantly, obey the fucking traffic laws when leaving a motel. Most people turn to jelly if confronted by the cops. When an incall place is under surveillance in the U.S., the standard procedure is to stop a suspected john for a traffic violation after seeing him leave a motel parking lot, and then try to get him to admit to illegal activity such as prostitution or drugs. He does not have to admit to those things, but had often panics and does so. Not violating traffic laws minimizes the chance of him getting stopped since the cops do not want to look bad by making an invalid traffic accusation. One of the big disadvantages of small town motels is that a John likely parks right in the motel parking lot that is under surveillance and the cops see who enters and leaves. That is less likely in a big city hotel.
    patron good points, like he said in #3 "but there is no reason to sit and waif right in front of the check-in desk. Most hotels and motels have chairs that are not visible from the check-in desk" I for 1 do not stay at the hotel or complex where the SP is receiving, before go I always have a layout of the area, what I mean is that I ask the ladies near what major cross streets are close by, and from there I search a bar, coffee shop, restaurant, whatever. Why I do this because it is less conspicuous and you will raise less eyebrows like this
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    I'll be taking a metro for my transit. I'm just a bit paranoid because I have never done this before. The motel in question has been mentioned a few times in the Hotel Info section as well (Motel Ideal Lajeunesse).. makes me a bit nervous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadChap View Post
    I take mass transit, in the US, because technically cops can seize your car and anything in your person, and the defendant can be made to forfeit everything seized during (leaving after the deed is still a continuation of the illegal acts) the arrest.

    Go to upscale hotels in downtown areas or "condo" complexes.
    Good advice in Arizona, but a little bit of overkill in most of the U.S. other than a few high-risk areas (although I try never to park in the motel lot).

    Arizona has the most aggressive policing and prosecution of nonviolent crimes of any state I have ever seen. I simply refuse to hobby there, instead planning a stopover in Vegas before or after any Arizona trip.

    One thing I alluded to in my post but did not really spell out is the fact that low-priced motel incall overlaps with drug use, drug trafficking and parole violators. The police are already performing surveillance on these places and any arrest for any reason is easy and good publicity in their opinion in the fight against drugs.

    Further, these motels have no reason to give a shit about their customers or their visitors - they all pay 39.95 a night. My favorite incall traveling escort in the States had the highest elite status with Hilton, got the nicest rooms as a frequent customer, and always raided the Exec Lounge to put some snacks in the room.

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    To add to all the previous good comments...

    "Trust your gut feeling."

    If you don't like what you see, the moment the door opens (i.e. the person, the place, the smell, ackwardness...), turn around and go.

    This goes as well if you have any suspicious people around or in the place (dealers, pimps...).

    Rather be safe than sorry.
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    I would like to add for you to only carry the agreed upon donation and if you are carry more money spread them out in different parts of your clothing. Try not to have the girl see you take out a roll of cash. Also don't be carrying any unnecessary valuables on you by leaving them at home or storing them in your car.
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    Don't try to be penny wise and pound foolish.

    In the States, you also worry about being robbed by the supposed SP. There are frequent news reports about dudes getting robbed by purported SP's at meeting sites, where the SP and her (usually) male friends, gang rob the unsuspecting Hobbyist. That's why I'm so thankful for a site like Merb, which contains valuable and safe information for both SP's and Hobbyists.

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    I have to say though - the SP in question is well reviewed on TER and it seems she has even attended VIP-4 GT. I'm actually scared of being interrogated by a cop while leaving the motel after a normal session. I mean, I won't even be knowing the real name of the person I was visiting.

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    S_r, if after all these good advice you are still scared, you should skip the SP in question. You need to be relax in order to enjoy your meeting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky_rocket View Post
    I have to say though - the SP in question is well reviewed on TER and it seems she has even attended VIP-4 GT. I'm actually scared of being interrogated by a cop while leaving the motel after a normal session. I mean, I won't even be knowing the real name of the person I was visiting.
    In most legal systems in the western world, you technically do not have to even answer the question of exactly who you were visiting, although the guy who keeps his cool well enough to have a friendly conversation with the cops while maintaining his legal right to simply decline answering a question is a rare guy. That is why it is best to simply not get stopped, and why not driving a car out of a motel and certainly not violating any traffic laws is the key. Cops just don't interrogate guys walking out of a motel unless they have clear evidence of criminal activity, but they do go on fishing expeditions once a guy is stopped for speeding or coming to a rolling stop in a neighborhood associated with criminal activity.

    That having been said, the advantages of an urban hotel over a low-cost motel in the middle of nowhere are obvious. Look at the foot traffic at a hotel and the many reasons a person would be there. The Hyatt and Bonaventure in Montreal are attached to complexes that have a ton of shops and restaurants. It would simply be impossible for johns to be stopped and questioned, and if he did indeed buy a newspaper in the gift shop, not only was stopping to buy a paper a truthful answer if questioned, but it makes a charge of trespassing impossible to enforce. Of course, the rooms are more expensive at those places than at Bates Motel near the airport, which is why this activity carries more risk when the rate is lower.

    One of my favorite recollections is the one agency that ever made it for a long time in LA, a city that ignores independent escorts but hates agencies. The one agency that made it (until the owner died of a cocaine overdose - hey it's LA) always had incall with four of five high-priced but gorgeous providers available at a very small, boutique little motel in LA. It appeared at first glance to violate every rule in the sex industry handbook. You walked right by the front desk with a tiny lobby to get to the elevator, and I remember that the college-age guy behind the desk one waved at me when I glanced at him while going to the elevator.

    I got curious and tried to find the place on the Internet and I finally found it after many searches, but the place had high room rates and never advertised on any traditional hotel sites. Finally I figured it out and started laughing. I am convinced the agency owned the motel. Safe incall, a better cover story than guys coming and going into a big house, and convenient money laundering all rolled into one.

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