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    Anyone but Trudeau.

    He "promised" that Canada would accrue no more than $10 billion per year over the next three years and that the budget would balance by 2019.

    Estimates as of today for 2016 stand at $18.4 billion...as well as a $40 billion "adjustment" that has yet to be explained in detail.

    He "promised" no more than 25000 Syrian refugees...and that has been doubled.

    Everyone who voted for him...happy now?

    We're gonna have a very difficult time clawing our way out of the hole he is digging for us.

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    The last election was for style over substance, many politically ignorant people voted and you see what we got. Now a failed drama teacher who prefers to eat blue crayons during lunch break is ruining our country ( actually JT is not running Canada, he is a puppet for certain groups ). By the time the Liberals term is up it will take the next ruling party decades to fix his fuck ups. Can not see that so many people could not figure out he has no clue ( you can see that he has no answers of his own and thought that Kathleen Wynne was doing a great job...... and he still got votes. ) People must be missing Harper by now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol Tee Nutz View Post
    People must be missing Harper by now.
    That's a frightening thought...but very true right about now.

    Canada's gonna go full shit-house in the next few years and is already well underway. Too bad this once great nation is being destroyed.

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    Harper had many faults but he kept the economy going and taxes low, my main two points for chosing a PM. There were so many false claims against Harper that the politically ignorant believed and the BS JT was saying as the deficit will balance its self or we will build Canada from the heart out, or the best one " Only the 1% wealthy will see a tax increase ". Complete idiots fell for this. The environment should not be an issue in Canada because on a global scale we produce so little that if we shut down every resource harvesting we will see no difference in air quality ( Unless we build a dome over all of Canada and keep the clean air to ourselves ).
    http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2...certainty.html
    http://www.torontosun.com/2015/12/20...up-for-trudeau
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    http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2...im-harper.html

    OTTAWA—As the Stephen Harper years piled one onto another, debate grew in the capital over how much of his Conservative legacy would become a fundamentally ingrained part of Canada.
    Would successive governments be unwilling or unable to lift the rocks and get at the philosophical underpinnings of almost a decade of Harper?
    Turns out, a lot of the Conservative agenda can be overturned, and rather quickly.
    While Justin Trudeau’s Liberals may be spinning their wheels on some big items, such as the size of its budget deficit, the scope of its missing and murdered indigenous women inquiry or the regional tensions engendered by its imminent decision on a $1-billion bailout or stake in Bombardier, it is proving much more adept at tearing down the Conservative house.
    It’s as if the new government stole into that old Conservative neighbourhood armed with a pressure washer and starting cleaning that unsightly graffiti off the walls.
    It started early with the announcement of the restoration of the long-form census.
    Liberals have overturned the closing of veterans offices, pledged to reverse funding cuts to the CBC, overturned two pieces of legislation it considered punitive to labour and restored funding to First Nations which had been frozen under the previous government’s transparency act. It also suspended all court action against First Nations which did not comply with the legislation.
    It ended a Conservative court appeal of provisions of Omar Khadr’s bail and ended an appeal of the citizenship niqab ruling which sullied the last election.

    It changed the way the Conservatives dealt with sick leave for federal employees, has given permission to federal scientists to speak to the media and is ending an audit of charities by the Canada Revenue Agency, which was seen to be payback for advocating for the environment.
    It has changed the way senators are appointed — although it is behind schedule and has a long way to go before there can be any clarity on this initiative.
    It will fully restore health-care coverage for all refugees and asylum claimants to the pre-2012 levels, before Conservative cuts.
    It is revamping the environmental assessment process — a major Harper initiative — while keeping the right of cabinet to make the final decision on pipeline projects.
    On the foreign policy file, the Liberals have lifted some sanctions against Iran and will engage that country again, and they have warmed relations with Washington.
    Under the title of “tone,” Trudeau has made himself and his ministers more accessible to the media and has brought first ministers together for meetings, a practice which Harper had ended.
    More is to come — an overhaul of the C-51 domestic anti-terror act, changes to the Fair Elections Act, the Firearms Act and repeal of some provisions of bill allowing the government to strip Canadian citizenship.
    Some of the changes seem borne simply of election promises, and not sound rationale, such as the revamped anti-ISIS mission. Some things that have not changed, such as the controversial Saudi arms deal, have been mired in confusion. Global Affairs Minister Stéphane Dion says he is opposed to the deal, but it is going ahead regardless.
    For this, according to a Forum poll published over the weekend, the Liberals would win 70 per cent of the seats if an election were held today.
    This is likely to be about as good as it gets for this government, because we are fast approaching the point where the Conservative teardown runs out of low-hanging fruit and the Liberals will be judged on their own merits.
    And their plethora of campaign promises is going to come back to bite on some files — ranging from F-35s to electoral reform — because this government has given itself a huge, and likely impossible, change file.
    But the Liberal road may actually be smoothed by events south of the border.
    After South Carolina Saturday, those of us who have been dismissive of Donald Trump’s presidential aspirations are going to have to recalibrate our message. Some of us had front row seats to the Rob Ford debacle in Toronto so we intuitively know that the seemingly ludicrous suddenly becomes plausible, then reality.
    What will happen is that the Trump bombast — should he win the Republican nomination — will bring all discourse down to his level in an election year which will receive immense coverage in all Canadian media.
    No matter what trouble awaits the Trudeau Liberals, they will look positively radiant compared to the train wreck about to unfold in the good old U.S. of A.
    In Bold Present satisfaction rates
    And obviously problems await ,like any governments .

    And their plethora of campaign promises is going to come back to bite on some files — ranging from F-35s to electoral reform — because this government has given itself a huge, and likely impossible, change file.

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    I don't really follow Canadian politics, but your taxes are astronomically higher than what we pay in the USA. We do not have a federal sales tax in the USA. Canadians seem accepting of such taxes, whereas in the USA these taxes are not accepted. There are historical reasons I think for the political systems which have traditionally much higher taxes, although all of us in both countries are headed towards higher taxes no matter what due to a population that is getting older and older and not working and then we have to support that population. No government has figured out this issue which is a byproduct of improved medical science and technology.

    My American friend and I were in Montreal in late 2014 and he decided to use the occasion to buy Cuban cigars. He paid $35 per cigar which included something like a 75% tobacco tax. He said to me, "this is fucking crazy, with taxes like this there has to be a thriving black market for Cuban cigars in Canada, and I want to know where that black market is." Does anyone know where that black market is?

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    Justin was quoted " If the Conservatives win a minority government he will oppose anything the Conservatives propose ". It did not matter what was being tabled, for the good of Canada or not. JT stopped the accountability act for the natives and the unions, promised millions to the natives for a review of the murdered native women ( they are killing their own and will not allow outside police onto the reserves, not much to report ). Shutting down ( trying to ) the Alberta oil industry, a business that is projected to bring in one trillion dollars by 2025, likes what Katheleen Wynne is doing ( 320 billion in debt and hundreds of businesses are leaving due to high taxes, 20% approval rating ).
    The manchild has no clue what to do and a recession is coming, note that harper pulled us through two worldwide recessions and we came out in very good shape.
    Gotta have a bowl of cereal to relax, JT brings up my blood pressure.
    I never dreamed that one day I would be a grumpy old man, but here I am killing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver View Post
    I don't really follow Canadian politics, but your taxes are astronomically higher than what we pay in the USA. We do not have a federal sales tax in the USA. Canadians seem accepting of such taxes, whereas in the USA these taxes are not accepted.
    Hello EB

    Do you travel all over Canada or just Montreal,Quebec ?
    Not all Canadians are comfortable with high sales tax http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...-hst-1.1011876
    British Columbians have voted to scrap the province’s controversial harmonized sales tax, according to the results of a binding, province-wide referendum.

    Elections B.C. announced on Friday morning that 54.73 per cent of the 1.6 million British Columbians who cast a ballot in the mail-in referendum voted to get rid of the tax and 45.27 per cent voted to keep it.

    B.C. Finance Minister Kevin Falcon said the government will now move to reinstate the PST with all of its previous exemptions. The transition is expected to take at least 18 months he said.

    Falcon said eliminating the HST and reinstating the PST will cost the province more than $3 billion, but the province has a plan already in place to manage the change.

    "This is step backwards, but it is a manageable step backwards," said Falcon after the results of the referendum were announced on Friday.

    The province will enter into negotiations with the federal government on repaying the $1.6 billion it was given when the tax came into effect, he said.

    There will be costs in setting up a provincial sales tax collection agency and businesses will need time to transition back to the PST, he said.

    http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...s-to-scrap-hst,


    It was a big debate in B.C. living in B.C. and doing business in B.C. for a few decades and travelling and also doing business in Montreal ,I am in a position to see the differences in mentalities .




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    I have never been to BC. All I know is I pay that tax every trip to Montreal. Such a tax doesn't exist in the USA and has never even been discussed to my knowledge. It is simply not acceptable. But Canadians accept it and pay it, and frankly I have no choice but to pay it when I go to Canada. The alternative is to be arrested for shoplifting. And I don't like the idea of being arrested while on vacation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver View Post
    The alternative is to be arrested for shoplifting. And I don't like the idea of being arrested while on vacation.
    You are passing up on a free cavity search
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol Tee Nutz View Post
    People must be missing Harper by now.
    really not...
    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

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    What will happen is that the Trump bombast — should he win the Republican nomination — will bring all discourse down to his level in an election year which will receive immense coverage in all Canadian media.

    No matter what trouble awaits the Trudeau Liberals, they will look positively radiant compared to the train wreck about to unfold in the good old U.S. of A.

    train wreck? all I see is a desperate media trying to create drama around Clinton's coronation. Same thing every 8 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol Tee Nutz View Post

    (20% approval rating ).
    http://www.torontosun.com/2016/02/22...-good-job-poll
    TORONTO - The majority of Ontarians disapprove of the way Premier Kathleen Wynne is doing her job, according to a Mainstreet Research/Postmedia poll.

    Of those polled, only 29% approved of Wynne’s performance, 60% disapproved and 11% weren’t sure — giving the high-profile Premier an approval rating of minus-31.

    Quito Maggi, president of Mainstreet Research, said it’s not unusual for the head of a government to show low approval ratings — especially early in a mandate — when tough decisions are typically made.
    I didn’t find it surprisingly low having done approvals in other provinces,” Maggi said. “It depends on who you compare it to. If you compare Kathleen Wynne’s approval number to (Saskatchewan Premier) Brad Wall, it’s abysmally low. If you compare her approval numbers to say Greg Selinger in Manitoba, she’s a rock star.”
    Premier Kathleen Wynne

    Approval: 29%
    Disapprove: 60%
    Not Sure: 11%
    Rating: -31
    Progressive Conservative Leader Patrick Brown

    Approval: 32%
    Disapprove: 26%
    Not Sure: 42%
    Rating: +6
    New Democratic Party Leader Andrea Horwath

    Approval: 43%
    Disapprove: 26%
    Not Sure: 31%
    Rating: +17





    http://calgaryherald.com/news/politi...ing-falls-poll

    NDP slide to third place as premier's approval rating falls: poll

    A Mainstreet Research/Postmedia poll of more than 3,000 Albertans this week shows the NDP have just 27 per cent popular support among decided voters — trailing the Wildrose at 33 per cent and the PCs at 31 per cent.

    Mainstreet President Quito Maggi said the NDP and the premier are apparently suffering fallout from the global collapse of oil prices that has created a gaping hole in provincial revenues.

    “Now that we’re a full year plus into these historic low oil prices and the impacts on both public coffers and personal finances is being fully felt, I think a lot of the blame is being directed at the government — rightly or wrongly,” Maggi said.

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    I agree


    Quote Originally Posted by BookerL View Post
    http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2...im-harper.html

    For this, according to a Forum poll published over the weekend, the Liberals would win 70 per cent of the seats if an election were held today.
    In Bold Present satisfaction rates
    And obviously problems await ,like any governments .

    And their plethora of campaign promises is going to come back to bite on some files — ranging from F-35s to electoral reform — because this government has given itself a huge, and likely impossible, change file.

    Cheers




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    Cheers



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    Quote Originally Posted by JTF2 View Post
    He "promised" that Canada would accrue no more than $10 billion per year over the next three years and that the budget would balance by 2019.

    Estimates as of today for 2016 stand at $18.4 billion...as well as a $40 billion "adjustment" that has yet to be explained in detail.

    He "promised" no more than 25000 Syrian refugees...and that has been doubled.

    Everyone who voted for him...happy now?

    We're gonna have a very difficult time clawing our way out of the hole he is digging for us.
    Funny how fast we forget, Remember this is government of c-36 and c-51.

    I don't think anybody voted for Trudeau,they voted against Harper.Trudeau was just in the right place at the right time.

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