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    Robot lawyers..

    Looks like EB has some competition.

    http://business.financialpost.com/le...solvency-cases
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    Well...if he's as good as the article makes it look like...I'll need to find a new line of work lol

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    Interesting idea and may be helpful for very basic situations but most attorneys give advice based on very complex transactions involving reads on personalities and judgments about human reactions to hypothetical responses that only a human attorney can give.

    This morning a client called me and asked me for advice on how to go about terminating an employee who is an at will employee with no contract. He told me what his planned course of action was with her which was to give her reasons for the termination. I explained to him that an at will employee doesn't need to be given reasons or cause for their termination, but to prevent a possible discrimination claim for which he has no employer's liability insurance, I advised him to give the vague "philosophical differences and we are moving in a different direction." Robots wouldn't be able to process the totality of the facts which includes reading my client's personality, tone of voice etc. and the fact that the employee to be terminated is on anxiety meds, and may have a reaction to certain reasons being given for her termination- including the reasons for her having to take those meds, those being personal issues which my client wanted to mention to her. Which is what he was going to do before I said no and changed his mind. Robots don't know this shit and they never will unless they are programmed to learn human personalities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clarkkent View Post
    Well...if he's as good as the article makes it look like...I'll need to find a new line of work lol
    Give it a couple of years, 15 years ago for a certain sized job we needed 100 employees, now with GPS being advanced the same job can be done by 15.
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    At some point as all businesses begin to use automated machines and other technology as substitutes for human labor, what will there be for humans to do? Have we created too much technology that is putting people out of work instead of to work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver View Post
    At some point as all businesses begin to use automated machines and other technology as substitutes for human labor, what will there be for humans to do? Have we created too much technology that is putting people out of work instead of to work?
    Fully agree, even McDonalds has automated ordering now. Companies look at the bottom line and if automation can achieve a high profit so be it, fuck the employees.
    I have discussed the McD automation and many people I know will not use it just for the anti-automation position they have. What is also partially driving this is governments imposing a higher min wage and companies are against it, unions are also a cause for automation due to some poor lazy work habits and the extreme high wages to run some companies. Fuck, they are prefecting automated sex dolls, escorts are not even safe in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver View Post
    At some point as all businesses begin to use automated machines and other technology as substitutes for human labor, what will there be for humans to do? Have we created too much technology that is putting people out of work instead of to work?
    I agree, but at the same time, like you said, I think some jobs can never truly and fully be done by a machine. The way I see that robot, it's a tool for the big and rich firms to complete Juris and doctrine research fast with minimum effort. To be able to represent the interest of a client and defend it in front of judge, I truly believe only another human can do that. I think the same would apply for a psychologist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol Tee Nutz View Post
    Fuck, they are prefecting automated sex dolls, escorts are not even safe in the future.
    This concept was explored as early as the 2000 Arnold Schwarznegger film The 6th Day, in which the Michael Rapaport character is obsessed with sex with holographic escorts. The biggest issue is the lack of a warm and wet vagina, which you will not get from holograms or dolls.

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    Something to remember:

    In the 1950s, Henry Ford II, the CEO of Ford, and Walter Reuther, the head of the United Auto Workers union, were touring a new engine plant in Cleveland. Ford gestured to a fleet of machines and said, “Walter, how are you going to get these robots to pay union dues?” The union boss famously replied: “Henry, how are you going to get them to buy your cars?”
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    Ya but can it play a mean game of ping pong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver View Post
    Interesting idea and may be helpful for very basic situations but most attorneys give advice based on very complex transactions involving reads on personalities and judgments about human reactions to hypothetical responses that only a human attorney can give.

    This morning a client called me and asked me for advice on how to go about terminating an employee who is an at will employee with no contract. He told me what his planned course of action was with her which was to give her reasons for the termination. I explained to him that an at will employee doesn't need to be given reasons or cause for their termination, but to prevent a possible discrimination claim for which he has no employer's liability insurance, I advised him to give the vague "philosophical differences and we are moving in a different direction." Robots wouldn't be able to process the totality of the facts which includes reading my client's personality, tone of voice etc. and the fact that the employee to be terminated is on anxiety meds, and may have a reaction to certain reasons being given for her termination- including the reasons for her having to take those meds, those being personal issues which my client wanted to mention to her. Which is what he was going to do before I said no and changed his mind. Robots don't know this shit and they never will unless they are programmed to learn human personalities.
    Read the article EB. The Robot does everything you do including double billing (haha, just kidding).
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    yeah,
    Initially, It impacted people in production chains. Now it is slowly impacting more sophisticated trades. A machine can give a better diagnostic than any doctor.
    Recently, I've read about implementing a universal salary for all Canadians, it is all going in the same direction. When most people will be jobless a universal salary will be an easy way to keep citizens relatively satisfied.

    I wonder what the feminist discourse will be regarding "fulfilling careers" being the key element of living a happy life when there won't be any careers left to choose from. IBM's Watson can pretty much do anything for about a dime per hour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver View Post
    Interesting idea and may be helpful for very basic situations but most attorneys give advice based on very complex transactions involving reads on personalities and judgments about human reactions to hypothetical responses that only a human attorney can give.

    This morning a client called me and asked me for advice on how to go about terminating an employee who is an at will employee with no contract. He told me what his planned course of action was with her which was to give her reasons for the termination. I explained to him that an at will employee doesn't need to be given reasons or cause for their termination, but to prevent a possible discrimination claim for which he has no employer's liability insurance, I advised him to give the vague "philosophical differences and we are moving in a different direction." Robots wouldn't be able to process the totality of the facts which includes reading my client's personality, tone of voice etc. and the fact that the employee to be terminated is on anxiety meds, and may have a reaction to certain reasons being given for her termination- including the reasons for her having to take those meds, those being personal issues which my client wanted to mention to her. Which is what he was going to do before I said no and changed his mind. Robots don't know this shit and they never will unless they are programmed to learn human personalities.
    Totally disagree,

    IBM's Watson can examine millions of documents and draw patterns out of it. Those are things you will never be able to do in a life time. IBM hires the top of the line professionals to teach Watson how to reason and draw its own conclusions which end up being quite accurate. In the field of medicine, it can already give very accurate results when it comes to diagnostics. Plus, it doesn't feel any mental fatigue, it can operate 24/7. The only reason why such systems are not in production replacing doctors is the liability factor (Who's responsible when it fails?) But once that's sorted out, it's game over for most doctors. It will take a few years, of course.

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    How does a robot pick a jury? Have any of you guys ever tried picking a jury? I know in 10-15 minutes whether a juror I have questioned is going to serve on the panel. A lot of the criteria for selection have to do with reading personal appearance, body language, tone of voice, and facial expressions when asked certain questions. How do you program a robot to make those reads? Which includes the ability to read when someone is lying to you about how they feel about the case? Those are all human judgments, and judgments which come from years of experience. That will never be taken away from us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver View Post
    How does a robot pick a jury? Have any of you guys ever tried picking a jury? I know in 10-15 minutes whether a juror I have questioned is going to serve on the panel. A lot of the criteria for selection have to do with reading personal appearance, body language, tone of voice, and facial expressions when asked certain questions. How do you program a robot to make those reads? Which includes the ability to read when someone is lying to you about how they feel about the case? Those are all human judgments, and judgments which come from years of experience. That will never be taken away from us.
    Just pulling stuff out of the air but there is a good chance that there is some kind of sensor that would measure the body heat going up or heart rate speeding up on someone being questioned, facial reading may also be available, they have self driving cars that can figure out what is around them, I can not see a real difficulity to program any of the points you put out. Sounds far fetched but decades ago individually wrapped sliced cheese was just a dream, and look at us now, you can get melted processed cheese at a Mac's to pour over your nachos, hotdogs impregnated with that same processed cheese. My humor for the day.
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