Trafficking crackdown initiative
I'm all for catching and exposing those who are exploiting women. Hopefully innocents don't get caught in the crossfire. Any hobbyists not dealing with reputable agencies or indys should exercise caution.
From the quoted article:
"People who purchase sexual services should know that most of the women who engage in prostitution are under the control of pimps."
Statements like this make me angry. Where do they get this "most women" from? Certainly there are many women working for agencies in Montreal, however, the agency owners and employees I know are not "controlling pimps". There are also many independents working of their own free will. I just wish for once the media would be fair and truthful about this industry instead of distorting the truth to push their own agendas.
tiannas, it is very rare that we see an official press release signed by the SPVM stating such bullshit. They know better than that. They kind of dropped the ball here.
I wouldn't be surprised if the SPVM may have been pressured to do so. The provincial government is trying to save face after the media fiasco from a few months ago with the teenage runaways. Same with Coderre: he was lambasted on public TV about the massage parlours around the same time by Maria Mourani and the survivors' groups.
Now they're all scrambling to show that they're doing something, and giving money for misguided initiatives that will achieve nothing.
I saw something in the news about an initiative to stamp out selling of sex during the Grand Prix. I do not think there is more going on during GP than at any other time. It is the cause du jour. To many of these look at me do gooders want their 15 minutes of fame.
Never underestimate the power of a desperate politician. Politicians are people lower than pieces of amphibian shit at the bottom of the ocean. They need to create the perception of a problem in the publics mind so that they can solve it. You can not fix real problems because this requires time, effort, and the ability to implement good policy, etc. Instead, you create the perception of a problem that doesn't really exist. Then you can fix something that wasn't broken in the first place. But who would know? Just create a back page sting and bust johns and suddenly you are taking a bite out of crime and you are fighting trafficking, under aged prostitution etc... After all, no woman in her right mind would ever sell her body to a man unless she was forced to do so by another man, correct?
Originally Posted by reverdy
Trafficking is a local favorite where I live. We have several politicos that have brought trafficking to the forefront and have vowed to stop it....until they are reelected. There is one problem: There is no one being traficked here!!!! I wish they would pick global warming, GMOs, running out of land fill space due to Jewel boxes for DVDs and other bogus problems that do not exist. At least these don't interfere with my hobby.
Yes @reverdy laval police already promised a part 2 to their underage girl sting.
I try to analyze things from an economics perspective since I think that law and politics are both bullshit, and the media is a big nothing. I digress, but my favorite portrayal of the media was in the great movie Apocolypse Now, where the moronic journalist begins to worship Captain Kurtz and follow him around so much that no one, especially Kurtz, could stand him. He is a trivial but important symbolic character in the movie.
The media does not think, but is directed by those who do. Those that direct the media are primarily advertisers.
I have a theory that those who benefit from commercial sex are difficult to market to.
Those who oppose it are much easier to market to.
Who benefits? Women who are recreational about sex. How do they benefit? They make significantly more money doing this, generally part time, than they would make doing any other activity during that same period of time.
Who else benefits? The johns, of course.
The percentage of women who are successful in selling sex is a very small percentage of the total number of women. Face it, most women are not physically attractive enough to make money doing this, and of the women who are attractive enough, most feel it would detract so much from otherwise enjoying life that they choose not to sell sex. Fine with me, no one should be forced into or out of prostitution.
The percentage of men who purchase commercial sex is also a relatively small percentage of total men.
I may be wrong about this, but I strongly suspect that buyers and sellers of sex are a more cynical lot than those who do not partake on a regular basis. Cynical people are just not as succeptible to advertising than non-cynical people.
Who opposes prostitution? Those who do not benefit from it. Which is the majority of the population. Who really opposes it? Deeply religious people and those who like a lot of structure in society. I know this is offensive, but if I am doing an advertisement for a product, I can more easily convince someone to buy something who thinks that two of everything sailed around in that Ark than I can convince someone to buy something who spends his time comparing and contrasting two hot escorts based on reading merb reviews.
So if I am an advertiser, why the hell would I want them to run a bunch of articles or video segments questioning the time tested belief that commercial sex is wrong? I am just going to piss people off who might buy the product I am advertising. And if some of those readers or viewers are forced to think and reason as a result of reading that article, they might just start thinking about a bunch of things I don't want them thinking about - like whether my advertised product is really something they need and whether it is better than my competitor's product.
So we will never see real debate about this subject in the mainstream media.
With gays and lesbians, it was different because it was easier to do niche marketing to them. They are a more homogeneous group that had good disposable income and frankly wanted to be more mainstream. Hookers and johns are a bitch to niche market to.
Hi, I wanted to ask is hobbying relatively safe this week? I just read that site and to be honest that photo scares the *** out of me...is this only going to go on for this week? maybe it would be better to lay low until this thing passes?
The picture gives the impression that the police regularly bust down hotel doors. In reality that is not how policing works. It is certainly a week to stick with ladies on Merb, either agencies or independents, and stay away from backpage and annonce123.
Originally Posted by juulik
Nope, your not wrong. You got me pegged. I agree with all of the above and oh yes, I hate the fucking media as well.
Originally Posted by Patron
When you say who really opposes prostitution are you not forgetting one notable group? What about the hair-clipped, wire glasses wearing, plain-jane, man-hating, militant feminist? You know the type. The pathetic middle aged woman that no one ever wanted to fuck. They are all over the cable news stations and on NPR. She takes to the air-wave spouting psycho-bable about the exploitation of young women and how the feminists are going to save these women by stopping the demand. The real reason the average feminist is so surly is because no one ever asked her to prom or homecoming. She sat home every school dance. Since no one ever wanted to fuck her she is here to make sure that no one gets laid. They want us all as miserable as they are. Hell hath no fury like a scorned woman. And oh yes, that is what most male-hating feminists are: Scorned women.
Originally Posted by Patron
You are correct. It is really disturbing to read the blogs regarding what they call radical feminism. They relate it to witchcraft. They truly want all men to disappear and they hate any woman that significantly interacts with men, which would obviously include sex workers.
Originally Posted by hungry101
Funny to read you guys... Of course these groups probably view us here as depraved pervert. To which I would reply, "only once in a while, if the chemestry is there"
Originally Posted by Patron
I think this is the beginning of a long period of crack downs. This mayor of ours was talking about cracking down on massage parlors even before he was elected. He is uses political correctness to advance his political career. He wants to make the people believe that he is making Montreal a a modern metropolis that will attract flocks of tourist and there will be economic prosperity. Yet he is the one trampling on the livelihood of many businesses with his grandiose schemes. The Grand Prix is just the beginning. He will be cracking down on the adult industry again and again between his pet projects. He knows that most of the population ( including hobbyist ) will agree with him in public about his move to clean the city up. In this politically correct world the posers and pretenders will not go against him. You can expect that after the Grand Prix the mayor will slowly but surely close up all the visible adult entertainment places. This will stretch to next summer and beyond the 375 th. anniversary of Montreal.
I don't believe so. I think SPVM is mostly getting involved to placate the abolitionists who always stir things up in the media around the time of Grand Prix. They've been doing this for years. The difference this time around is the debacle with the youth centres from a few months ago, which has created an impetus for governments to look like they're taking the problem seriously.
Originally Posted by VSOP
The bottom line is that the City knows that any major serious crackdown on the massage parlours and salons will make life a lot more difficult for sex workers, and could actually put them in danger. That's what the city found out when they started looking into actually cracking down on parlours like the mayor was calling for during the last municipal election.
Anie Samson, who's in charge of the file, talked about it a few times already:
Montréal songe à tolérer les salons de massage érotique
Sévir contre les salons de massages érotiques est plus complexe que prévu à Montréal
Salons de massage: Montréal «a atteint les limites» de ses pouvoirs