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    Thumbs down Bull fights back!

    This is one of the best video's I've seen in a long time! Click on the link in the first paragraph of the article.

    Bull Gets Revenge

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    Special K,

    I have always said that one of the most difficult and dangerous jobs in the world, apart from window washer for the upper floors of the Empire State Building, is to work as a clown at a rodeo or bullfight. Those clowns are paid peanuts, and I am not even sure they get health insurance benefits. Strangely though, no clowns are seen trying to distract this bull before he leaps into the stands.

    In this case, the spectators got a first hand taste of what a bullfight clown must do. They are truly heroic figures.

    BTW, is it a coincidence that there was a commercial for Special K (the cereal) prior to that video?
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    I agree, bull fighting is one of the cruelest, uncivilized most stupid events out there, if anything should be banned it should be bull fighting.

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    I'm not a fan of this so called sport, I'm no animal lover either, just thought it was amusing that the bull finally got some revenge.

    EB, that was pretty funny and coincidental about the advertisement, although the ad was for Total not SK. Lol.

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    SK,

    The ad I saw was for both Total and Special K. Check it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver
    SK,

    The ad I saw was for both Total and Special K. Check it again.
    Not that it's a big deal Beav, but the ad was for Total Cereal. They mentioned Special K and then said why not get Total nutrition, in other words screw SK and go with Total. Also you'll notice that the banner at the bottom of the media player is an ad for Total.

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    SK

    It's interesting though that you do see the Special K logo, which to me amounts to advertising the product even if they are dissing it. Everyone knows what Special K tastes like (the cereal, that is!) and when you see the banner you are reminded. I am not sure I really get this advertising strategy!

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    I went to many corridas in South America when I was very young (4-5-6-7 years old...) and I understand why many of you don't like that but here is some things to think of.

    We kill hundred of thousands of animals every day for the supermarkets around the world. We sure want our meat fresh and bloody...but because we don't see the killing, is it less cruel for the animal ? At least some bulls can survive and even hurt/kill the torreador. Not alot of animals have this chance nowadays...The killer have to work quite hard and risk his life to achieve his goal as well. When the bull survive, and it happens, he will live until his own natural death in the best of fields. How many have this chance, except the great genitor?

    Not only that, but I saw bulls being pampered from the first day to make great corrida bulls. If you follow the traditional ways of South America, they will grow to full maturity alone in the fields and the bull will never see a human on his foot (only on horses). They cannot have a better life, and while their cousins will be dying waiting in a row to have their heads cut, those great bulls will have a chance to fight. Cruelty for cruelty, if I had that kind of choice, I would fight.

    And, that's quite important too, it's a great exutory for the population. It's a place to let go those basic instincts we cannot act on usually. That or it's in the streets that we will see cruelty against humans (in some places). Even hobbyist here are searching an exutory to some basic instincts. Sure it's not the same basic need, but it's our natural animal instincts we all have in ourselves that I'm talking about.

    I can understand why people don't like that, and I'm ok with it, but to be fair we have to consider what I'm saying here and other stuff to be thrutfull to the greater picture. Anyway, I don't ask anyone to share my opinion, but I took this opportunity to show other aspects of it.

    Varia
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    Varia,

    Thank you for excellently bringing the South American point of view into this thread. I hoped someone would step to the plate for our Latin friends and their culture and you did a fine job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver
    Varia,

    Thank you for excellently bringing the South American point of view into this thread. I hoped someone would step to the plate for our Latin friends and their culture and you did a fine job.
    And I'm just a canadian "greengo"! :-) (but lived many years in Colombia...)

    Thanks for the good words...

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    Gotta agree with Daringly on this one

    Cows killed in a slaughter house are killed in a humane way, my understanding is that it is a bolt to the head that kills them instantley, the way the bull dies in bullfighting is pure savegery, disgusting and uncivilized, anybody that supports that kind of crap is uncivilized themselves in my books.

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    A latinamerican opinion

    I'm from a country where the bullfigthing has deep roots and I can tell you I hate it because it's cruel , I have relatives that used to be Matadores and I know well all the stuff that sorround this "sport".I'm not to write that because it's no the point of this thread. As it was written here one thing it's to kill an animal almost instantly in order to feed the population and the other it's torture to death an animal just for fun, it's like the roman circus .
    I can tell you that more and more young people at least in my country, hate and figth against this kind of spectacle.

    Sorry about my english and my 2 cents

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    It is in fact a cruel entertainment and I cannot be objectively for it, being myself a non-violent relax guy. I do not wish to change the minds of people, I'm not that kind of guy either.

    I have a sentimental attachement to that period of my life when I went to Corridas. It was my first time in a big outdoor "stadium", it was the sun, the smell of the "aguardiente" (sugar cane alcool if I remember), the hysterical crowd and many other things related to growing up in South America. I believe it can be understood, even if it will not diminish the cruelty itself, that emotions are not always reasonable, but still they are real and hard to avoid...Apply similar stories to the majority of people going there and you can understand in part why it still exist today. It doesn't make it good...It just harder to understand in North America because we don't have any emotionnal or cultural attachement to it. It plays alot in understating the thing.

    My next comments may even help those against it to be more ready to counter bugging guys like me, if the subject arise elsewhere! :-)

    A corrida have this "primal instinct flavor", a purely irrational, brutal but hard to resist emotion once there (as unbelievable it may sound). An exemple. I never watch boxing at home. That's one thing I don't like, I'm not interested into, etc. One day, someone offered me a good ticket to go watch a boxing night. I said why not, it's a new experience. To each his own experiences, and I'm really not an agressive type of guy, but to my surprise once the show started it's the irrational primal instinct that took up. I had a big adrenaline rush. It's disturbing to know that we ALL have that deep inside of us, and I know that even if I try to resist to it, when the button is pressed, i'm started (like in sex...same type of reaction). It's uncivilized, it's politically incorrect, it's strange, scary, sometimes cruel, but it's in us.

    That brings the most important, even if more abstract, argument. I find the "civilized" argument not thruthfull to what we are in reality. It's "good thinking" people that are destructing/polluting the world, makings wars, using perception altering products while it's our basic instincts that make us procreate, survive and protect our loved ones. Some may find that I'm strecthing it, but if you look at the "uncivilized", take a group of indigenious people in Bresil, they are not the one cutting the trees to make fields for our beef to grow there to have a nice steak at the grocery. The Aztecas had rituals in wich extracting the heart of the ennemy in a big show was a way to prevent mass killings. Everything must be balanced and put in context. If we focus on the cruelty, yes it's cruel, but that's just, sadly, a side effect of what we are...We are the dangerous, the abusers and the manipulators in the animal kingdom and we need to give society ways to express our instincts. It's a proven way to control the masses and building civilizations. The "barbaric" Romans were enough "objective" to understand and admit it. I cannot imagine how hardocre they were, but it's the same thing. If one is able to take enough distance with the bull fighting itself, he can see that what make us civilized is things like Corridas. It's quite surprising and "illogic" at the first look, but I believe it's the truth.

    Anyway, I pretend that our society is not that "civilized" in the way we like to believe it is, that our primal instincts are stronger than anything and that we need to find ways to let it out, be it by "simulating" our ancestral desire to hunt or by sleeping with other womans while engaged, etc. I understand that our society needs to find ways to control those basic urges to develop and survive.

    I hope this wasn't too long. I tried something. I hope it helps people see other perspectives and that I won't leave the impression of being a brutal, senseless guy...wich I'm not. It's just a way to say that our brain can only fight for a while what is hiding deep inside.

    Varia

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