Just want to start a discussion on a different sort of topic. I would like to hear what you guys feel should be the upper age limit for a first time father. I'm not talking about biology but more practicality here. Assuming that it will take at least 20 to 25 years of being a responsible father before a kid will be able to leave home for the big world out there, how old is too old for a guy to have a kid? Given that the freedom of empty nesting and retirement won't happen until all the kids move out. I know that older guys like McCartney and Trump have little kids but they have enough funds for 24 hour nannies, chauffeurs and boarding school. The rest of us don't. Comments?