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    Angry Sovereignists going after children...

    Now we see how desperate they are becoming. The Quebec Council for Sovereignty is trying to get teachers from kindergarden level on up to introduce a pro sovereignist booklet into their classes.This booklet has all kinds of "fun activities" such as designing a new flag for an independant Quebec to choosing new holidays. This goes way beyond propaganda and borders on indoctrination. It seems that they have learned from the middle east and the communists how to best create the beliefs you want your children to have. You start them really young before they are able to develope their own ideas. The Liberals as well as the ADQ have already come out against this and I suggest that if any teachers do bring these booklets into their classes they should be immediatly fired. It's one thing to introduce political discussion into high schools and up where the students can actually discuss the ideas. But going after very young, overly impressionable children is beyond wrong. This is ridiculous.

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    I might be separatist,but I don't agree with that strategy.
    Leave the kids alone!Let them grow up,and live their chilhood.
    But lets not panic,I doubt the book will find it's way on kids desks,IMHO.

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    While listening to the news I heard the best part of all...on the first page of this booklet they thank the Canadian gov't for the grant money that made the project possible. Canada's tax dollars at work. This is just too good.

    Thanks Cosmo. We may disagree sometimes but it's nice to know that we both think that kids should be allowed to just be kids. They grow up fast enough as it is.
    And I agree that it probably won't get very far as they only printed 11,000. I wouldn't mind getting a copy though, I'm curious about what's in it.
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    Tax dollars

    Do not forget Techman, that Canadian's tax dollars are also from money coming from Quebec.

    Quote Originally Posted by Techman
    While listening to the news I heard the best part of all...on the first page of this booklet they thank the Canadian gov't for the grant money that made the project possible. Canada's tax dollars at work. This is just too good.

    Thanks Cosmo. We may disagree sometimes but it's nice to know that we both think that kids should be allowed to just be kids. They grow up fast enough as it is.
    And I agree that it probably won't get very far as they only printed 11,000. I wouldn't mind getting a copy though, I'm curious about what's in it.
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    Thumbs up It won't see the light of day

    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmo
    I might be separatist,but I don't agree with that strategy.
    Leave the kids alone!Let them grow up,and live their chilhood.
    But lets not panic,I doubt the book will find it's way on kids desks,IMHO.
    Cosmo,

    I agree with you. I have many separatist friends and they love debating me on this subject. But we would both agree that this is a completely stupid and dangerous effort to indoctrinate young impressionable kids. Let people freely choose to be separatists. Talk about ripping one out of the old communist red book!

    GG

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    From what i read in the paper this morning We wont see this book in school almost everyone is against it the bloc and the pq. included . I will not read it because i am not a Gerald Larose fan

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    Not that I agree with seperatists but...

    Let's get the facts straight. It's not a book for children but for professors. Second, it's not going to be distributed in schools but sold in book stores - i.e. you have to go out of your way and pay money for it. Finally this is nothing compared to the federalist propaganda distributed in schools.

    As is always the case, you can never assume that the media has the right facts. They always look for controversy and will make it up if they don't have it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Binette
    Let's get the facts straight. It's not a book for children but for professors. Second, it's not going to be distributed in schools but sold in book stores - i.e. you have to go out of your way and pay money for it. Finally this is nothing compared to the federalist propaganda distributed in schools.

    As is always the case, you can never assume that the media has the right facts. They always look for controversy and will make it up if they don't have it.
    Lets indeed get the facts straight...they were trying to get teachers to introduce it into their classes as part of the curicuulum. Obviously children would not have the money to purchase it.

    What federalist propaganda is taught in schools? The history of the country?
    During the Oka crisis and the Mercier bridge blockade they interviewed some kids from a french school in Chateauguay and one of the children said that the Mohawks should go back where they came from, that they had no right to be here because they weren't Quebecois. I think the schools should do a bit better job in teaching the history of Canada.

    Oh. by the way I am aware that Quebecers also pay Canadian taxes. But no tax money should be spent on promoting the destruction of the country no matter where it comes from.
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    Ô Canada

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    It is still a great province, by the way

    When I was a boy, we used to sing the "ô Canada" in the school hallroom. Should we call that "Brain washing"?

    Come on....`

    Bob Binette is right: Get the facts straight before starting whining.


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    Quote Originally Posted by docprostate
    Do not forget Techman, that Canadian's tax dollars are also from money coming from Quebec.
    Don't forget docprostate there are only 3 "Have" provinces and Quebec is not one of them. So I guess it is not so much Canada paying for them as it is Ontario, Alberta and B.C.

    No way my kid is entering the public school system in this province.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techman
    Now we see how desperate they are becoming. The Quebec Council for Sovereignty is trying to get teachers from kindergarden level on up to introduce a pro sovereignist booklet into their classes.This booklet has all kinds of "fun activities" such as designing a new flag for an independant Quebec to choosing new holidays. This goes way beyond propaganda and borders on indoctrination. It seems that they have learned from the middle east and the communists how to best create the beliefs you want your children to have. You start them really young before they are able to develope their own ideas. The Liberals as well as the ADQ have already come out against this and I suggest that if any teachers do bring these booklets into their classes they should be immediatly fired. It's one thing to introduce political discussion into high schools and up where the students can actually discuss the ideas. But going after very young, overly impressionable children is beyond wrong. This is ridiculous.
    As long as the PQ government is not in power, there should be nothing to worry about. But who knows what could happen with the PQ in power. As we've witnessed with the Bush administration, think tanks can be extremely powerful in shaping public policy, yet hardly anyone's aware of their influence because their work is done behind the scenes. This pro-sovereignty council should be slapped with a severe reprimand by either Quebec's superior court or the supreme court of Canada for even coming up with such a stupid, crazy idea! Appalling

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    Look at things this way...a couple of years ago one of the parties floated the idea of lowering the voting age to 16 from 18, it was either the PQ or the ADQ. So you start the indoctrination/brainwashing in schools now from the age of 5 on up. The PQ wins the next election in two years, drops the voting age the year after that, referendum the year after that. That's 4 years from now so that gives you four years to brainwash enough 12 year old and up kids to win your referendum. I don't think they would have many problems achieving separation on the backs of children and I'm also sure they wouldn't think twice about doing it if they were given the chance.

    Many do not know that ''Ô Canada'' was written in French then translated in English
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    And unveiled on Canada Day as a gift to Canada by the Societe St-Jean Baptiste no less. My how things have changed.

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    Once again it is time for us to write our MPs and our Prime Minister and let them know how we feel.

    Also with the up comming provincial election it is a good time to contact our local reps and let them know how we feel.

    We can write about it here till we are blue in the face but that wont change anything. Our government reps actually do take our letters and emails seriously. They know that many will complain but few will take any sort of action. They also know that their career depends of getting votes... your votes... We live in a more or less democratic society, use that power to assure you are being represented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slashmtl
    Don't forget docprostate there are only 3 "Have" provinces and Quebec is not one of them. So I guess it is not so much Canada paying for them as it is Ontario, Alberta and B.C.

    No way my kid is entering the public school system in this province.
    Whats the point about public and private school in that thread? You think this book is intended for only public school?

    First ovall this book have been written with private money has anybody of us can do it... Everybody can publish a book.

    Second, who said this book will goes into school? Tomorrow I can write a book about How teacher should educate kids to prostituion, and its doesnt mean its would be into school.

    Third, we live in a free country, we are not into germany in 1940 when they were burning book of jewish people... So people are free to talk about history the way they want... the funniest thing here in Quebec is that history class at secondary school at TOTALLY different in french and english. So dont worry they already talk about it, its wont be something new...

    So to have this book, into classes the following step need to be done:

    1-) Teacher buy the book.
    2-) Teacher read it and judge if its pertinent or not to bring it into classes.
    3-) Teacher need to talk about it in class.... if its a mathematic teacher I'm curious how he would bring it.... so remain: french, history and maybe geographia class...

    If you think a school gonna buy 100s copy for student there, its like believing Irak have massive destructions weapons. Actually anti-separatist play with words to make people think that... But believing anything said on radio and tv is to be ignorant... You should listen interview done buy the guy who publish it.

    Considering they talk about HIV, bisexuality, how use a condom etc...(something that their parent should talk) at school I dont think that talking about separation is that bad...

    Anyway dont worry at 16-18 y.o. most of people are able to make their own idea... If they cant too bad for them.

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    This will undoubtedly end up as a humanities class in cegep sometime soon.

    Remember...

    The victor(s) get to rewrite history!
    Just keep smiling...it keeps them guessing.

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