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    Cher Bryson ...

    Emportée par la curiosité de ce que tu a nommé le mauvais côté de la médaille de cette entreprise, le récit de cette mésanventure m'a grandemement touché ...

    Le courage dont tu a dû faire preuve est d'un grand mérite et davantage d'en avoir informé l'agence en sachant profondément en toi que peut-être peu de chose en découlerais ...

    J'ose espérer que cette agence saura apporter aide et soutient a cette désolante âme et que la vie te reviendra avec des réponses positives en regard de l'acte courageux appliqué a cet instant précis, un moment que ton coeur a su diriger en dépit qu'il fût assurément brisé ...
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    B, I'm not passing judgment on you or your reaction, so please don't think that. In the same situation, most of us probably would have done the same.

    It seems to me that you are angry, though, and I'm not sure why. Just because you found her high doesn't mean she didn't enjoy your previous time together. It means she has a problem, nothing more. I feel really badly for her that she has to be high just to get through. This is just another sad story, and there's far too many of them. I hope she can get help.

    I enjoy hobbying-too much, probably. I frequently repeat, with three or four SPs in particular. I've met some SPs who are comfortable with me, some who seem to enjoy our time together...and I've met some who are clearly in it for the money, and some who are less comfortable. In the end, we're all just johns, and I hope that our lusts aren't driving us to engage in acts that damage SPs emotionally.
    I know the reaction of many will be that it's a job, and nobody forced them to go into this line of work. But in the case of a person with a drug habit, we're talking about someone with a lack of self control. In her mind she may have no choice but to do this line of work.

    Even though I'm very gentle and would never attempt to force an escort to do something she is uncomfortable with, I can't help but realize that most of these girls are barely in their 20s and are being asked to provide very intimate services. Frequently they are seeing men that they are indifferent to, and sometimes they meet men they downright loathe. They have to have sex with these men, regardless of how they feel about them. Alot of posters seem to think nothing of leaving negative reviews, without a thought of how it can damage the girls feelings, to say nothing of what the job can do a girl emotionally. Sometimes it seems in our need for thrills we treat them (myself included) like a piece of meat to be used up and then discarded.

    This isn't directed at you, Bryson, it's just something that worries me sometimes. This girl doesn't deserve your anger, she clearly is weak and has a problem. Hope that she gets help.
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    Hi Bryson,

    what a compelling story! I think you did the right thing. Instinctively, I probably would have reacted the same way. I don't want to sound callous, but I don't think there was much anyone could have done for her at that point. If her life wasn't in danger and one isn't a close acquaintance or a family member, there's not much you can do. This person might eventually either die of an overdose or be faced with a long, gruelling drug rehabilitation treatment. I just hope that the agency won't be hard on her because of what happened, and instead seek to help her get some help. There's perhaps one more thing you could do, however, and that's to try to talk to her when she's not high in order to tell her about what you've observed that night and how important it would be for her to get some help at this point. Just my 2 cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by btyger
    Even though I'm very gentle and would never attempt to force an escort to do something she is uncomfortable with, I can't help but realize that most of these girls are barely in their 20s and are being asked to provide very intimate services. Frequently they are seeing men that they are indifferent to, and sometimes they meet men they downright loathe. They have to have sex with these men, regardless of how they feel about them. Alot of posters seem to think nothing of leaving negative reviews, without a thought of how it can damage the girls feelings, to say nothing of what the job can do a girl emotionally. Sometimes it seems in our need for thrills we treat them (myself included) like a piece of meat to be used up and then discarded.

    btyger,

    I couldn't have put it better myself. Bryson, this isn't the "ugly" side of the biz, it is the "sad" side of the biz. Like Dorothy, I commend what you did. It took a lot of courage to walk in that door without knowing what was waiting for you. I honestly doubt that I would have walked in like that.

    Now, you have a choice. You can tell the agency and hopefully they will help her or you can try seeing her again and offer her help. Most agencies would fire a drug addict on the spot - they are heartless. If you, however, decide to commit yourself and help this young lady, then COMMIT yourself. It isn't going to be easy and I am not saying that you have to do this but I can guarantee you one thing, if you do decide to help her, it will be the most rewarding thing you'll get out of this hobby and maybe even life.

    Some young SPs unfortunately succumb to the pressures of hobbying and use drugs in order to help them 'deal' with some ugly realities. Instead of helping them cope, however, drug addiction exarcebates the underlying problem, bringing them deeper into despair.

    This young lady is obviously in trouble and needs immediate help. I wish I could embrace all these troubled souls and truly help them. I hate hearing about these sad stories. But it's even worse if we ignore sad realities like this and pretend that 'all is well and merry' in "Hobbyland." That is utter bullshit!

    Thanks for sharing this story.

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    btyger -

    I'd be pretty angry is I was looking forward to a nice visit and it didn't play through. Just angry in general, but in Bryson's situation, I can understand why some of that pent-up frustration is directed at the SP.

    As far as what other people would or would not do? What happens if the girl OD's, and your prints are all over the room, and you're the last one that saw her alive? Sometimes, you just HAVE to cover your ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nugie
    As far as what other people would or would not do? What happens if the girl OD's, and your prints are all over the room, and you're the last one that saw her alive? Sometimes, you just HAVE to cover your ass.
    Nugie,

    Are you serious with this "cover your ass" crap? If I saw her OD, I would call the ambulance right away and tell the cops everything. What would you do? Leave her there to die? Come on, get real.

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    I do have to add that it was brave on your part to enter the place. God forbide there might be some confrontation etc... that being said we all take a calculated risk ,the sp and all of us hobbyist ,every time we have an encounter. That is why most sp and hobbyist stick to a hand full of people in a small circle. Many sp do this for various reasons it may be for the sex, meeting people, and of course the money factor. This underground world is not for everyone and much like anything else some people may need chemical or substance drugs to keep the day going. It is what it is but may I add that at the end of the day regardless of who we are, what race, sex, political or religious believe, we are all human being. A life no matter how one sees it , is precious and in the end we owed it to each other to help each other out. If I was in his situation I would have call an ambulance or drive her to the hospital myself. Even if there are consequences of doing so. What ever the outcome is it worth the risk to save a person's life. I will handle ithe outcome at a later time. This girl's life means more to me then getting in trouble with the law ,friends and or family. We all only have one life and I'm a true believer in living that life the happiest you can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by General Gonad
    Nugie,

    Are you serious with this "cover your ass" crap? If I saw her OD, I would call the ambulance right away and tell the cops everything. What would you do? Leave her there to die? Come on, get real.

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    GG,

    That's EXACTLY what I meant by cover your ass. If you leave and do nothing, and she dies, you are totally screwed. Even though it will be troublesome to talk to the police, describe exactly how and why you found her in this condition, even though it might mean making admissions which MAY make you guilty of a crime, you have to do it because the alternative is far, far worse.

    What did you THINK I meant? Especially since I made it a point that your prints would be everywhere and you're the last one to see her alive, you are going to be #1 on the suspect list unless you go straight to the authorities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nugie
    GG,
    What did you THINK I meant? Especially since I made it a point that your prints would be everywhere and you're the last one to see her alive, you are going to be #1 on the suspect list unless you go straight to the authorities.

    My apologies, I thought you meant to scram.

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    GG,

    No problem. It's not like I'm a nice guy - I'm advocating sticking around for self-preservation, as opposed to selflessness.

    "My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute." - Ayn Rand

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    Nugie, you're just normal.
    I agree with the General, Bryson-it took guts to walk in without knowing what lay in store.
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    I heard about this incident a few months ago. Not a very pleasant experience, i'm sure! A few years ago, there was also a similar occurrence with one of the most popular agencies at the time (no longer in business). A well-reviewed young lady was due to be seen by a former member of my old site. When she arrived in his room, he noticed that she acted a bit strange. She excused herself and went to the bathroom. After about 5 minutes or so, she still hadn't come out of the bathroom, so he went over and knocked on the door. She wasn't answering. He knocked again, same result. So, he broke the door down and found her passed out on the floor and unresponsive. The evidence at the scene indicated that she had probably OD'd. He wasn't sure what to do. If he called the medics, the cops would very likely be at the scene also and be asking questions. He didn't want to be put into this position, plus the fact that he was a local and was married. So, he called the agency and told them story, asking them what he should do next. They told him to stay with the girl and they'd send someone to go and help out. It wasn't the first time that they had problems with this girl. Minutes later, two or three people showed up and they helped carry her out. The client felt quite helpless and pretty strange, of course. A few days later, he called the agency again and the lady in question was once again back on the job. She did work for several other agencies after this and was in and out of drug rehabs for a few years. It's not easy to stay clean, especially in this business. Too many temptations....

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    My rant on addictive behaviors

    WARNING: I AM A COMPLETELY INSENSITIVE PRICK IN THE FOLLOWING POST.

    Let's start with some basic definitions:

    Addiction is a situation, which MAY be accompanied by physical dependency, wherein the individual is psychologically compelled to perform said action.

    Exhibit A: "Jacking Off" with coke.

    For the hard-core coke user, their nasal passages get completely destroyed, and unable to absorb any more inhaled coke. For whatever reason, some of THESE are hesitant to freebase (in order to smoke cocaine).

    They turn to "jacking off" - they take a syringe, fill it with powdered cocaine, and find a vein.

    They suck up some blood. The blood serves to slightly dissolve SOME of the cocaine. Then they plunge on the syringe, pushing some of the dissolved cocaine/blood mixture back in.

    This process is repeated until the powdered cocaine is consumed, sometimes relatively rapidly - hence, "jacking off".

    The problem is that the injection of powdered cocaine directly into the bloodstream results in the decay and destruction of the surrounding tissue. So much so, in fact, that the area around the injection site will very rapidly look like an attack of flesh-eating bacteria.

    The addict recognizes that their flesh is dissolving (usually along their legs) and proceeds to find another site.

    If you want to understand the nature of addiction, you need to see one of these people, whose legs are so dissolved as to look like a video-game zombie, desperately looking for a new spot to stick the needle into.

    More graphic then you guys needed, I know, but it's the ugly truth.

    Having said all this, it is ENTIRELY POSSIBLE and VERY VERY LIKELY that most drug users do NOT become "addicts" in the traditional sense of the word.

    But I defy you to see one of these people, with half their flesh dissolved and decayed away, as they are desperately looking for their next hit, and not feel rage at the destructive power of these drugs.

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    I'm astonished how someone with an addiction to paying for sex somehow has "higher standards" than someone with an addiction to a narcotic.

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    That's interesting, Bryson. While many johns are married (my divorce isn't final yet), I wonder how many SPs have boyfriends and/or SOs while they're in the industry???

    And if they do, how does that work?

    "By hon, I'm going off to see a client now."

    Most escorts I know claim not to be in a relationship. Ladies, any thoughts/answers?
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