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jalimon

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You have to also consider that according to the FBI, some 700,000/yr people in the US use guns to protect themselves from crime avoiding potential murder. Even though not all those 700K would have led to murder, lets say only 1 out of 20 or 5% of those used a gun to protect themselves from being killed, thats 35,000 people. So thats 35,000 people that were saved because they were armed vs 12,000 killed and a lot of those 12,000 killed were involved in crime to begin with.

Sorry to say but these are total bogus stats you made up right? The reality is most people armed to protect themselves end up killing or mostly injuring themselves or a family member. Many kids. That destroys the life of very good families in the sake of "protection"... This is insane but it is the reality.

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Introductory Notes

This research is based upon the most recent available data in 2016. Facts from earlier years are cited based upon availability and relevance, not to slant results by singling out specific years that are different from others. Likewise, data associated with the effects of gun control laws in various geographical areas represent random, demographically diverse places in which such data is available.

Many aspects of the gun control issue are best measured and sometimes can only be measured through surveys,[1]*but the accuracy of such surveys depends upon respondents providing truthful answers to questions that are sometimes controversial and potentially incriminating.[2]*Thus, Just Facts uses this data critically, citing the best-designed surveys we find, detailing their inner workings in our footnotes, and using the most cautious plausible interpretations of the results.

Particularly, when statistics are involved, the determination of what constitutes a credible fact (and what does not) can contain elements of personal subjectivity. It is our mission to minimize subjective information and to provide highly factual content. Therefore, we are taking the additional step of providing readers with*four examples*to illustrate the type of material that was excluded because it did not meet Just Facts’*Standards of Credibility.

Definitions

* Firearms are generally classified into three broad types: (1) handguns, (2) rifles, and (3) shotguns.[3]*Rifles and shotguns are both considered “long guns.”

* A semi-automatic firearm fires one bullet each time the trigger is pulled, ejects the shell of the fired bullet, and automatically loads another bullet for the next pull of the trigger. A fully automatic firearm fires multiple bullets with the single pull of the trigger.[4]*[5]

Ownership

* The United States had a population of 319 million people in 2014.[6]

* Roughly 371 million firearms were owned by U.S. civilians and domestic law enforcement in 2014. Of these, about 146 million or 39% were handguns.[7]

* Civilians accounted for 80% of non-military gun industry revenues in 2012.[8]

* Handguns comprised 52% of all new guns sold to civilians and law enforcement in 2014, as compared to 35% in 2000.[9]

* Based upon national surveys, the following are estimates of private firearm ownership in the U.S. as of 2016:

Households With a Gun

Adults Owning a Gun

Portion

36% – 49%

23% – 36%

[10]*[11]*[12]

* Gallup polls conducted from 2007 to 2012 found the following levels of self-declared gun ownership among different groups of people:

Group

Portion Owning a Firearm

Male

45%

Female

15%

White

33%

Nonwhite

22%

Republican

38%

Independent

31%

Democrat

22%

[13]*[14]*[15]

* In a 2013 Gallup poll, gun owners stated they own firearms for the following reasons:

Reason

Portion

Protection Against Crime

60%

Hunting

36%

Recreation/Target Shooting

21%

[16]

Crime and Self-Defense

* Roughly 16,459 murders were committed in the United States during 2016. Of these, about 11,961 or 73% were committed with firearms.[17]*[18]

* A 1993 nationwide survey of 4,977 households found that over the previous five years, at least 0.5% of households had members who had used a gun for defense during a situation in which they thought someone “almost certainly would have been killed” if they “had not used a gun for protection.” This amounted to 162,000 such incidents per year. This excludes all “military service, police work, or work as a security guard.”[19]

* Based on survey data from the U.S. Department of Justice, roughly 5.9 million violent crimes were committed in the United States during 2014.[20][21]*These include simple/aggravated assaults, robberies, sexual assaults, rapes, and murders.[22]*Of these, about 600,000 or 10% were committed by offenders visibly armed with a gun.[23]

* Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the*Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[24]*U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[25]

* A 1993 nationwide survey of 4,977 households found that over the previous five years, at least 3.5% of households had members who had used a gun “for self-protection or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere.” This amounted to 1,029,615 such incidents per year. This excludes all “military service, police work, or work as a security guard.”[26]

* A 1994 survey conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that Americans use guns to frighten away intruders who are breaking into their homes about 498,000 times per year.[27]

* A 1982 survey of male felons in 11 state prisons across the U.S. found:

34% had been “scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim.”40% had decided not to commit a crime because they “knew or believed that the victim was carrying a gun.”69% personally knew other criminals who had been “scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim.”[28]

Also: https://www.safehome.org/resources/gun-laws-and-deaths/
 

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"Nothing" is zero homicide like in Japan (population 127,000,000 hence 0 homicide x 320,000,000 (US population) / 127,000,000 (Japan population) = 0 homicide.

Meanwhile in the US 12,000 homicides a year (more or less the equivalent of the Lativian genocide death toll i.e. "nothing") is 120,000 homicides in the next decade and 1 200 000 homicides by 2118. That's the entire population of New Hampshire right there. "Nothing".

The apologists here are just pathetic. Not sure they would say "nothing" should a loved one was the victim.
 

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Yeah, not a fan of assault rifles, those should need a very special hard to get permit.
As I mentioned earlier, there are way too many unregistered guns in the US, to have Billy Bob from the Ozarks or any gang member hand their gun in will be almost impossible. Laws are for non criminals, criminals have their guns or know where to get them.
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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The criminals ( gang members ) are killing each other, good thing is it not. Outside of gangs the majority of gun deaths are suicide and accidents, very few are actual mass killings ( rated at 3 or more dead ).
 

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Meanwhile, there was yet another school shooting today, this time in Maryland.
 

jalimon

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2 mass shootings 2 days in a row. How many will it take to start thinking that there is a fucking problem?

Guns kills people...
 

jalimon

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It makes you think who is the retarded idiot.

The one who buys a machine guns that can shoot 50 bullet a minute or the one that thinks it's ok to have that available on the market?

Both if you ask me.
 

jalimon

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STN i agree both being killed in a mass shooting or by a drunk driver sucks. But why compare 2 problems that obviously needs to be solved separately.

Patron, GMA telling you when the kid of a high rank politician (especially a republican), or of a NRA CEO, will be killed in a mass shootings things may start to change.

I am not against gun ownership but i do think its completely idiot and insane to sell machine guns that can shoot 150 bullets a minute...
 

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Sadly, you are too late. The NRA is self-imploding right now. Your last shot at a big check from them as a candidate was 2016. They spent WAY less in 2018 and I'm not sure they are in any shape to spend big in 2020.
 

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There is a good historical belief that Lyndon Johnson could do more for civil rights that Kennedy could have, because the southerners wouldn’t have trusted Kennedy.

Whose historical beliefs is this? The actual course of events strongly refutes that assumption wholesale.

There was that quote attributed to LBJ that said, "We have lost the South for a generation" due to his signing of the '64 Civil Rights Act. While the quote is apocryphal, it turns out it didn't matter if Kennedy or Johnson spearheaded civil rights. Republicans and conservative Democrats didn't want it either way, and it made little difference that Johnson was a Democrat from Texas. After all, passage of the Civil Rights Act was part of the reason the Southern Democrats joined the Republican Party. Another point to buttress Southern intransigence to civil rights is Barry Goldwater. Democrats were dominant in the South at the time, but Republican Goldwater won more states in the South than any Republican had since Reconstruction. One of Goldwater's signature stances was opposition to the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Patron, GMA telling you when the kid of a high rank politician (especially a republican), or of a NRA CEO, will be killed in a mass shootings things may start to change.

Does an actual Republican Congressman count? Don't hold your breath that a NRA head or Republican will change tune on guns if he/she or their kids got shot. Steve Scalise himself was seriously injured by a crazy Bernie Sanders fan. He spent months in the hospital and he hasn't changed his tune on guns at all. Some issues, like gay marriage, make Republicans do an about-face when it personally affects their kids; guns aren't usually one of those. That sort of cognitive dissonance is completely on brand for conservatives. I saw something last week about farmers being financially hurt by Trump's trade war. Many of these same farmers are still giving Trump the benefit of doubt and said they plan on voting for him again.
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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Just heard on the radio today that the Canada Pension Plan invests heavily in a few American gun makers. Funny that they want a gun ban but invest in the makers of guns.
Did it know what thread to put this in so I picked this one..
 
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