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    What if Providers/Agencies Revealed which SP's saw which Hobbyists ?

    Should a Provider/Agency reveal to ANY client (good or otherwise) that an SP was seen by another hobbyists & they name that hobbyist?

    1) Should this be revealed openly on the board(s) ? Or is it NOT a transgression ?

    2) What should (if any) be the punishment for such a revelation of private information ? Or is it NOT private ?

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    I am not sure if I understand you question

    but I am interpreting that you mean, a gent who didn't review the lady in question, is used as a "sell" point? Like,

    oh, you might like SPX, MrX saw her and had great things to say

    I think that is crossing the line. I wouldn't think that if someone did do that however, that they would do so out of maliciousness, and I tend to believe that intent is more a factor than anything else.

    I am not sure why board names would come up at all, or names for that matter... I mean, ideally, shouldn't everyone be a little too busy for all that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StripperLover
    Should a Provider/Agency reveal to ANY client (good or otherwise) that an SP was seen by another hobbyists & they name that hobbyist?

    1) Should this be revealed openly on the board(s) ? Or is it NOT a transgression ?

    2) What should (if any) be the punishment for such a revelation of private information ? Or is it NOT private ?
    You use the word "should" which conveys some form of obligation as opposed to "could" or "may" which are optional individual choices.

    Private businesses or independent contractors would not have any such obligations.Like all such entities it is in their interest to keep such information confidential.

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    I definitely did not see SPX

    Anik your sources are mistaken.

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    Just-ass-weet,

    I did not say anything about a review of any sort so I'll put it in another way.

    SL sees an SP & that SP or Agency sees or gets a call from Hobbyist2 & in the midst of chatting with the SP/Agency, they reveal that they did business with SL.

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    oliver,

    I'm totally shocked !!!

    P.S.: hope i'm not being too sarcastic here...
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    Personally, i don't really care. It has happened to me and sps have told me they've seen so-and-so, etc. I've also heard about sps claiming to other sps that we've met when nothing could be further from the truth. But like i said, i don't really care.

    p.s. I might have had a different opinion a few years ago when i was more paranoid about the whole business, i must admit.

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    Angry Discretion is a MUST in this biz!

    Quote Originally Posted by StripperLover
    1) Should this be revealed openly on the board(s) ? Or is it NOT a transgression ?

    2) What should (if any) be the punishment for such a revelation of private information ? Or is it NOT private ?
    Let me start by answering your second question: yes, it is private and if an agency has revealed private info, no matter how harmless it seems, then it should be publicized on the boards for all clients to know who they're dealing with.

    Clients should expect complete discretion from agencies and SPs. This is a cardinal rule that seems to be transgressed way too often in hobbyland.

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    Doc Holliday,

    How about if the info is not true & is harmfull to you or your reputation as a person first & as a hobbyist?

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    What if the hobbyist in question had posted a good review of the lady on either of the boards? If the agency then uses this as a reference I don't think that this is a breach of privacy. If the hobbyist has not made a post about seeing the lady then the information should be considered as confidential and not mentioned. No matter what the case, real names should never be used under any circumstances.

    Ideally, if the line is crossed the agency should be identified on the board as not to be trusted with any personal information. But the problem of verification is always going to be there. The last thing anyone needs is someone starting a smear campaign against any agency.

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    Smile Sticks and Stones

    Quote Originally Posted by StripperLover
    Doc Holliday,

    How about if the info is not true & is harmfull to you or your reputation as a person first & as a hobbyist?
    We all remember the old schoolyard retort "Sticks and stones ............ but words will never hurt me."

    I seriously doubt the any such comments,if they indeed exist,will make their way into your credit file.Doubt that Equifax,D & B etc is going to hire additional people to call agencies,indies,follow you to clubs,trail you as you walk along Ontario street,etc.Various other analogies may be drawn by those so inclined.

    Conversely how many "hobbyists" when calling an agency for the first time mention who referred them or that they have used a rival agency in the past or that they are a regular visitor to the specific city etc trying to slant the odds in their favour.

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    Discretion first and foremost...

    Quote Originally Posted by eastender
    I seriously doubt the any such comments,if they indeed exist,will make their way into your credit file.
    eastender,

    This isn't the point. The point is that when I pay an SP for her company, I expect her and/or the agency she works with to keep their mouths shut unless I explicitly stated that they can use me as a reference.

    I share a lot with some SPs. Maybe it's wrong but I do. I certainly do not want them to blab to their owners, clients or other SPs. It's simply none of their business.

    As clients we expect and demand discretion. Without discretion, this business cannot survive. We need to be vigilant and share pertinent information on any agency or SP that violates this basic principle.

    If an SP or agency tells you something that they shouldn't share, tell them that they are out of line and then let us know who they are.

    GG

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    Smile Discretion

    Quote Originally Posted by General Gonad
    eastender,

    As clients we expect and demand discretion. Without discretion, this business cannot survive. We need to be vigilant and share pertinent information on any agency or SP that violates this basic principle.
    GG
    What discretion? The boards exist,the agencies exist the indies exist,the providers exist,the demand exists - further explaining the title "the world's oldest profession".Obviously the industry has overcome any and all acts of indiscretion to date.

    Conversely your last sentence in the quote exemplifies the hypothetical nature of this point.To date no specific agency,sp,indy etc has been accused or shown to have violated this trust.

    So what should we be vigilant about next - the sun rising in the west?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StripperLover
    Doc Holliday, how about if the info is not true & is harmfull to you or your reputation as a person first & as a hobbyist?
    You have a good point. It's happened to me once and i didn't like it. I later confronted the 'lady' about it & found out jealousy was at the source of her remark(s). She apologized and i accepted. I never saw her again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oliver kloseoff
    Doc Holliday
    your a nice guy and the ladies love ya
    but some hobbiests dont have your charm and apeal
    and the laides dont talk nice about them
    so me
    i feel for these guys
    some things that are told
    which are not nice to say the least
    I understand what you're saying & your insights never cease to amaze me. I take my words & opinions back. For the reasons you've mentionned, i fully agree with you. However, if i look at the other side of the equation, there are some hobbyists who are disrespectful & total assholes. For these types, i don't feel sorry for them and that's all they deserve.
    Last edited by Doc Holliday; 07-08-2006 at 02:30 AM.

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