Charlize Theron raising adopted 3 year old as a girl.

Sol Tee Nutz · Apr 19, 2019

Yeah, guess when the boy was 3 he said to her that he is not a boy and that was that.

https://torontosun.com/entertainmen...girl/wcm/2b8a493d-59e5-4324-a023-a4a27ad62d71

No_Church_InThe_Wild · Apr 19, 2019

A bit of a wacky story. The world has surely gone mad . An adult supposedly,, takes the word of a three year old child.
Charlize Theron is DDG and I’ve seen plenty of interviews with her witch gave me the impression that she had a strong head on her shoulders. But apparently not .

Valcazar · Apr 20, 2019

Isn't "let the kid do what they want, and see if they stick with it" the recommended practice these days? Especially for pre-pubescent kids, it seems they are more likely to decide "yeah, tried that, never mind" if they actually were supported in trying it. (Data is a bit vague.) There's no medical intervention here, and it would be years before they need to even discuss the idea of hormone blockers.

Sol Tee Nutz · Apr 20, 2019

^^^^^^^ Not sure if your comment was sarcasm lite. A 3 yr old saying he is it a boy and then the mother who for years dresses and treats him like a girl is all wrong, I tried that did not like it does not apply there.

Valcazar · Apr 20, 2019

Who's "o"?

No sarcasm, this is recommended practice. If the kid starts saying "done with the girl thing now" then mom should switch back. The whole point is they are young enough that there is no permanent interventions.

Sol Tee Nutz · Apr 20, 2019

Fixed the "o", was making dinner. The boy was 3 when he said that, the child is now 7, that is 4 years and it does not look like mom is letting up.
Sure if my kid at 3 says he is girl I would not be alarmed but I sure as fuck would not dress him up as a girl for 4 years.

bignasty · Apr 20, 2019

I always thought Charlize Theron was overrated as a model. Sean Penn agrees.

rumpleforeskiin · Apr 21, 2019

Sol Tee Nutz said:
^^^^^^^ Not sure if your comment was sarcasm lite. A 3 yr old saying he is it a boy and then the mother who for years dresses and treats him like a girl is all wrong, I tried that did not like it does not apply there.

Sol, can you please provide some documentation on your expertise in this field? I'll be waiting. (Still waiting for some documentation of your expertise/experience on the subject of arrangements, yet another subject on which you claim to be an expert.)

Sol Tee Nutz · Apr 21, 2019

^^^^^^ Comprehension is still not your strong suite, I never claimed to be an expert, just giving my opinion. I would bet that a high majority of people agree with me on both topics, these are not experts either but people with an opinion, something you can not tolerate. Nice attempt but you need to try a little harder. BTW, how is your paid for love of your life doing?

Valcazar · Apr 21, 2019

STN. Do you think Charlize is forcing the kid? If the kid still wants to be a girl, then why not let them?

Red Paul · Apr 21, 2019

Sol Tee Nutz said:
I would bet that a high majority of people agree with me

Oh, he would bet that people agree with him. Well, that settles it.

Sol Tee Nutz · Apr 21, 2019

^^^^^ Up 2. Ok, a 3 yr old boy says she is a girl, ma says fine and dresses him as a girl and treats him like a girl. My guess is the kid is not like a normal kid and runs around playing with other kids ( my opinion ) and especially for a very young child he does not know any better so bang you have a girl... for now. How can a person think this is how to raise a 3 yr old who has no clue about life yet, maybe he saw a girl get a present and decided hey, I can be a girl too.

Sol Tee Nutz · Apr 21, 2019

Red Paul said:
Oh, he would bet that people agree with him. Well, that settles it.

I read various news articles daily, an extreme high majority of comments are not saying it is OK.

Fradi · Apr 21, 2019

Okay, I agree with him.
What three year old knows what they want.
They have just finished potty training for f...sake.

I don’t know how many of you are parents but a 3 year old does not get to determine if I decide to dress him as a boy or girl his dick does.

When he gets older and decides he wants to be a girl, fine it is his choice and as a parent, perhaps I would not be thrilled with it , but I would support him 100%.

rumpleforeskiin · Apr 22, 2019

Red Paul said:
Oh, he would bet that people agree with him. Well, that settles it.

Yep. There's nothing quite like an uninformed opinion.

Sol Tee Nutz · Apr 24, 2019

^^^^^^^ Do not put yourself down like that. Most would not think a 3 yr old can make a life choice like that but you do. With SA, your other beef, that is my opinion, I do not need to pay someone to be my friend, you do. Please show me your expert papers on these topics...

CaptRenault · Apr 24, 2019

Dr. Debra Soh is a Canadian psychologist specializing in sexual neuroscience and an expert on this topic. She has written about this topic in the LA Times:

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-soh-trans-feminism-anti-science-20170210-story.html

[FONT=&amp]"...transgender activists firmly believe that gender is a biological, rather than social, reality — but of course they don't believe that it's necessarily tied to sex at birth. They also believe that gender identity is quite stable early on, warranting a transition not only for transgender adults, but also young children who say they were born in the wrong body.
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[FONT=&amp]From a scientific perspective, they're partially right: Gender identity is fixed, but only in adults; the same can't be said for children, whose gender identity is flexible and doesn't become stable until puberty.
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[FONT=&amp]Currently available research literature — including four studies published in the last nine years — suggests that 61% to 88% of gender dysphoric children will desist and grow up to be gay adults. (Or, in my case, a straight adult). They won't continue to identify as the opposite sex in adulthood. In one study of 139 gender dysphoric boys, 122 (88%) of the boys desisted.
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[FONT=&amp]While transitioning can be beneficial for transgender adults, it therefore doesn't make sense to treat trans children in the same way.
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[FONT=&amp]Nevertheless, transgender activists and their allies have branded desistance as a "myth," and those who suggest otherwise are called bigots or, dismissively, trolls. It's not hard to understand why. The idea that some gender dysphoric people may grow up to be comfortable in their birth sex is interpreted as a threat to the community. Acknowledging that reality may seem like a slippery slope to denying the need for gender reassignment surgery even in adults.
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[FONT=&amp]But ignoring the science around desistance has serious consequences; it means some transgender children will needlessly undergo biomedical interventions, such as hormone treatments. Even detransitioning from a purely social transition can be a difficult process for a child. In one 2011 study of 25 gender dysphoric children, 11 desisted. Of the desisters, two had socially transitioned and regretted it. They struggled to return to their birth sex in part because of fear of teasing from their classmates, and they did not dare to make the change until they enrolled in high school.
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[FONT=&amp]Both the gender feminist and transgender movements are operating with good intentions — namely, the desire to obtain the dignity women and transgender people rightly deserve. But it's never a good idea to dismiss scientific nuances in the name of a compelling argument or an honorable cause. We must allow science to speak for itself.
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[FONT=&amp]Debra W. Soh is a sex writer and sexual neuroscientist at York University in Toronto. Follow her on Twitter: @debra_soh
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And in the Wall Street Journal:

The Transgender Battle Line: Childhood

Psychologists have learned how to treat adults with gender dysphoria, but how about 5-year-olds?

wsj.com
Jan. 4 2016

What should parents do if their little boy professes an intense desire to be a girl? Or if their daughter comes home from kindergarten and says she wants to be a boy? In recent years the dominant thinking has changed dramatically regarding children’s gender dysphoria. Previously, parents might hope that it would be a passing phase, as it usually is. But now they are under pressure from gender-identity politics, which asserts that children as young as 5 should be supported in wanting to live as the opposite sex. Any attempts to challenge this approach are deemed intolerant and oppressive.

I myself was a gender-dysphoric child who preferred trucks and Meccano sets to Easy-Bake Ovens. I detested being female and all of its trappings. Yet when I was growing up in the 1980s, the concept of helping children transition to another sex was completely unheard of. My parents allowed me to wear boys’ clothing and shave my head, to live as a girl who otherwise looked and behaved like a boy. I outgrew my dysphoria by my late teens. Looking back, I am grateful for my parents’ support, which helped me work things out.

Since then, research has established best-treatment practices for adolescents and adults with gender dysphoria: full transitioning, which includes treatment with hormones to suppress puberty and help the individual develop breasts or facial hair, as well as gender-reassignment surgery.

But prepubescent children who identify with the opposite sex are another matter entirely. How best to deal with them has become so politicized that sexologists, who presumably would be able to determine the healthiest approach, are extremely reluctant to get involved. They have seen what happens when they deviate from orthodoxy.

In 2003 a sex researcher and psychology professor at Northwestern University named J. Michael Bailey published “The Man Who Would Be Queen,” a book that countered the idea that male-to-female transgenderism is innately tied to gender identity. For some, he said, the attraction is related to a sexual fantasy of being a woman. Dr. Bailey was quickly accused of transphobia and sustained several years of vicious public attacks. The episode left a lasting impression on sexology: Science that doesn’t align with prevailing attitudes can be dangerous.

Witness the recent experience of Kenneth Zucker, a psychologist in Toronto (who has conducted research with Dr. Bailey). A few weeks ago, the city’s Centre for Addiction and Mental Health announced that it would close its Gender Identity Clinic, which Dr. Zucker had led for 35 years. The news came after months of public allegations that Dr. Zucker, an international expert on gender variance in children, had been practicing conversion therapy, which aims to change patients’ sexual orientation.

But he had not been trying to dissuade anyone from being transgender. Instead his therapy facilitated exploration of gender identity. For example, in addition to thinking about transitioning, gender-atypical males could consider being boys who simply liked female-typical things. One doesn’t necessarily need to be a girl to enjoy nail polish or bedtime stories about fairy princesses.

Pointing that out to a gender-dysphoric child isn’t the same as practicing conversion therapy. Trying to turn a gay person straight is unethical, because sexual orientation is immutable. Gender identity, however, is different, in that it is flexible and can change over the course of life. In keeping with that outlook, Dr. Zucker had been following the most up-to-date standards of care published by the World Professional Association for Transgender Health—a document he had co-written.

Of the boys and girls seen in clinics like Dr. Zucker’s, a high percentage—up to 80% in a study of 44 gender-dysphoric boys—grow up to be not transgender, but bisexual, gay or lesbian adults. Thus, helping prepubescent children feel comfortable in their birth sex makes more sense than starting a lifetime of hormonal treatments and surgeries that will in all likelihood turn out to be unnecessary and unwanted.

When children do transition, some regret it. Consider a 2011 study of 25 adolescents who had been gender dysphoric as children, published in the academic journal Clinical Child Psychology and Psychiatry. Two girls who had undergone social transitioning to boys—by taking on male-typical appearances—regretted it and struggled to detransition. One wanted to begin wearing earrings, but said she couldn’t because she “looked like a boy.” The other, hoping for a fresh start with high school, hid childhood photos at home that depicted her time living as a boy. Both feared teasing from their peers.

Such research explains why Dr. Zucker worked with children to explore gender. Then if a child’s dysphoria persisted into adolescence—gender identity becomes more fixed with age, and the start of puberty often determines whether it will desist—Dr. Zucker would recommend transitioning, including puberty-blocking hormonal therapy.

Dr. Zucker was recently awarded $500,000 from the Canadian Institutes of Health Research to conduct an MRI study on the effects of medical transitioning, such as blocking puberty and administering cross-sex hormones, on adolescents’ neurodevelopment. A grant of this size speaks to both his credibility as a scientist and the importance of this research. The halting of this study in the wake of the closure of Dr. Zucker’s clinic means the critical answers he sought will remain unknown.

The most current science has been trumped purely because it is at odds with the dominant political view concerning transgender development. We don’t allow children to vote or get tattoos, yet in the name of progressive thinking we are allowing them to choose serious biomedical interventions with permanent and irreversible results.

The silencing of those who oppose this sends the message to parents that early transitioning is the only valid and ethical approach for a gender-dysphoric child. This message—pushing children to transition at increasingly younger ages so that they will fit neatly into one of two gender categories—is false and unscientific. It is more progressive to offer them the time and the space they need to figure out who they are and what is ultimately best for them.

Ms. Soh is a provost dissertation scholar and doctoral candidate in psychology, specializing in sexual neuroscience, at York University in Toronto.

Sol Tee Nutz · Apr 25, 2019

^^^^^ Thanks for the research, you must be a Google master with all the info you search.

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