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CantSeeMrHappy

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A guy posts with 1-3 post about a great experience and is labelled a shiller immediately...

Then the opposite happens with tianye22...see his incall post on zzcream.

So do the people that label shillers so quickly label the above post as a competitor looking to hurt?

Just a comment that I see too many quick-to-the gun comments, ruining the experience for a first time poster, so that we never see him again. Which is a shame.

So rather than publicly saying shilling, just PM the guy, or if we have first hand experience to the contrary to say so. Plus the mods do a great job too.

Remember your very first experience and it was wonderful, while still on that HigH you post on Merb rather enthusiastically...

Just my rambling thoughts as I see senior members and not-so-seniors disappearing from the board w/o much new blood.
There I said it.

So newcomers, here`s your chance to up your post count by 1 and reply here , add a few comments about yourself (not too specific). What you like, etc. Lots of friendlies on the board too.
 

HonestAbe

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Hmmmmm.

Good observation. Happened to me on my first review, nearly two years ago now. I had a major problem with the agencies "handling" of my appointment, not with the girls themselves, my first menage a trois, and they were great. I was immediately called out by at least two senior posters who had multiple glowing reviews of girls from the agency I was criticizing. HMMMM.

I say "HMMMM" because that is the same sarcastic wording they used to imply my integrity should be questioned. Adding to that the admittedly true and simple fact that I was new to the board and I was supposedly piling on unecessary added criticism to an agency that at that time was infamous for its tardiness and poor handling of appointments as if I should just shut up and leave them alone even if I was telling the truth. HMMMMM.

Despite the fact that the agency owner himself came out on the board and admitted that my account was in fact true while explaining why his agency dropped the ball, I have never received any form of apology from those who originally called my integrity into question. I would hope by now that my credibilty is beyond question, at the very least, as to the validity of my reviews. Yet never any acknowledgement from that someone who tried to silence my voice. Never any explanation as to why sharing information, TRUE information as to an agencies handling or should I say BUNGLING of dozens upon dozens of appointments was something they felt a need to apparently squash. How exactly does that help an escort review board? HMMMMM.

Its just natural I guess that if for some strange reason you seem to love an agency that nearly everyone else complains about constantly that you will jump down the throat of any newbie who adds more negative publicity to those whom you care so deeply for. HMMMMM.

I agree with CSMH that this sort of behavior doesn't help attract new posters who could have valuable info to share with the rest of us. This board has a huge stake in continued participation in its forums, by old and new members alike. Just my .02
 
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Mike Mercury

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There are always people on all boards that somehow have managed to delude themselves into thinking that they own the place and are protecting it.

I don't know what they get out of it.

Maybe it makes them feel like heroes or guardians against evil.

Its a free forum.
 

Voyager

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posts or experience?

hydragoat said:
Maybe it makes them feel like heroes or guardians against evil.

There is this image on MERB that post count actually means something. All that it means is lots of posts. The number does not indicate quality of posts, nor number of reviews. Post count, in my eyes is not a big deal.

With 80 posts, I am not considered a "senior" member, even though my posting history goes back to the alt newsgroups, Lyla's List (anyone remember that?) and Canbest when it was free. When I first started posting I was welcomed by those already there with open arms. Then I defended an SP who was being trashed, and I was labelled a White Knight, Shill, etc. It wasn't worth the aggravation so I went backchannel and stopped publically posting.

I made the mistake of asking a question in PM to high-post-count member of another board. The reply was hostile, condescending and totally unprovoked. I no longer visit that board, and I will not have anything to do with that person.

We've all looked at newbie posts and said "HMMMM", however its a small group that does the attacking.

Most issues/problems should be handled in PM before taking it to the board. Shills will reveal themselves and then can be lambasted.

Venting finished, packing continues...

Regards,

Voyager
 

HonestAbe

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Daringly said:
My take on the senior posters is this, most of them no doubt are pretty good guys but some of them take the board way, way to seriously. It is here to share and to have some fun or at least it should be. I have never understood how some people at certain times can point out with such great pride there board seniority, when they wouldn't tell their parents, brother and sisters, friends or people they work with that this board even exists. I think people lose perspective of what this board is and their importance to it.

I agree with this to an extent but I think you might be overlooking the possibility that many Senior posters here may have a tie to the industry in some way shape or form. In addition I think that a lot of the heated discussions where people start taking themselves a bit too seriously occur in the lounge under a variety of controversial topics where strongly opinionated people are exchanging their ideas and having conversations about them that they might not have the oppurtunity to have in their normal day to day lives.

To some degree this is a social forum as well, but primarily it is an escort review board. Obviously no one is going to go around bragging about their involvement in something that many people would view as controversial to say the least. That doesn't necessarily mean we are ashamed of ourselves either. Some people just can't handle this industry and don't even like to think about it so why would anyone bother to shout it from the mountaintop?

Anyone who posts consistent honest reviews and/or helpful information here is important to this board. No they aren't going to get a key to the city but all active members of this board should appreciate each others presence a bit more than they do IMHO. We are less without each other in the pursuit of our hobby. Hope that doesn't sound too serious. ;) I'm sure we would all be fine if we never posted again but thats not the point. Lets try and have the best experience we can while we are here.
 

incognito_NYC

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HonestAbe said:
Happened to me on my first review, nearly two years ago now.

Its just natural I guess that if for some strange reason you seem to love an agency that nearly everyone else complains about constantly.


Same thing happened to me .... and yes I wrote my comments quite recently after my pleasant experience(s) with a certain agency so it was still fresh in my mind .... so of course they were positive comments .... and, yes, I made several posts in one day ... so obviously I must be attempteing to "advertise" for that agency, right?

You discover something new - you like the expeience - you say good things about it ... and people you don't know (and who don't know you) get on your case about it.

Fortunately I always keep my Teflon suit clean & shiny so the criticism slides right off :rolleyes: but I can see where other 'newbies' would then have second thoughts about becoming active & posting regularly.

I give credit where I feel credit is due so I defended my honor & that of the agency I had written about & the critical comments ended quickly. But some others may not be willing to but that much effort into it & just blow the whole thing off. If this board claims to be an open forum of discussion, why would someone bother to come back & post again if their first attempt at sharing their experience with everyone else is pounced on & denounced?
 

incognito_NYC

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My take on the senior posters is this, most of them no doubt are pretty good guys but some of them take the board way, way to seriously.

Uh, yeah. Definitely.

All I can say to them is : "Lighten up, Francis."

P.S. - Bonus points if you know what movie that line's from :D
 

Cosmo

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Guys,

When someone comes here,w/o any credentials and starts lecturing us in a mother's way on how to treat a woman with dignity and respect,not to resort to crude language ect...
I'm sorry but allow me to be a bit skeptical.
Same thing for first time reviewers,that goes ''I had a wondeful time with ms.x,money well spent, treat her nice,will be back very soon,she works mon-sat,bal bla bal...''(just look at Audrey in Evasion thread)
True, some of them might have been genuine,but a lot of them have been proven to be shills in the past.
So yes,sometimes we do scare some potential new merbite,and I'm sorry for that,but I belive that in the long run,the real honest reviwer will remain,and proove their authenticity.
How about spending 120 on a dud thanks to a shill?Is that better?
Anyway,one of the greatest shill buster has just called it quits(attacked by shills along the way),so I gues the mice will start dancing soon,now that the biggest cat is out.
The intent of fast triggers shill buster is to prevent such duds,so as long as there'll be shills,there'll be skepticals,thaks to the shills.
Blame the shills,not the ''guardians''
As for the modes doing their jobs,well they can't be there all the time,and in the past some trolls were unmasked by members.
Sorry guys but I think you're targetting the wrong group of people.
You might say some us take the board way too seriously,and I have to agree,merb is not CIA or FBI,then been called a shill isn't the end of the world,even more if you're not.
So here goes,that's my POV,no arrogance,no 4 letter words.
bye
 

shijak

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incognito_NYC said:
Uh, yeah. Definitely.

All I can say to them is : "Lighten up, Francis."

P.S. - Bonus points if you know what movie that line's from :D

Warren Oates as Sergeant Hulka in the Bill Murray comedy, STRIPES!

Yee-HAAAAAA, what do i win? :)

My favorite movie quote ever is simply: "is it safe?"
 
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Techman

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Just a comment that I see too many quick-to-the gun comments, ruining the experience for a first time poster, so that we never see him again. Which is a shame.

Actually I feel that too many first time posters are too "quick-to-the gun", as you put it, when it comes to posting. A lot of their posts are shooting from the hip without taking any care as to how their post looks to everyone else.
People should pay a little attention to other posts before posting their own, read the board, lurk and learn. The post you linked to above is a very crude and rude post, but I think it's an honest one. Thinking before posting could prevent a lot of accusations. In general shill posts are easy to pick out...very little real info followed by glowing praise and usually the contact info as well as days and hours available. If a persons first post tends to be an extremely bad and angry review there's a good chance the person has an axe to grind. Especially if we never see the poster again.
 

Techman

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Presumption of innocence applies to everyone as long as their name isn't Tony.:cool:
 

incognito_NYC

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shijak said:
Warren Oates as Sergeant Hulka in the Bill Murray comedy, STRIPES!

Yee-HAAAAAA, what do i win? :)

My favorite movie quote ever is simply: "is it safe?"


Ya know I never knew that guys name before ... now I know. But if they ever do a remake of the movie Stripes (and Hollywood sure does enough remakes these days!) there's somebody else who would make the perfect Sergeant Hulka. Just picture Bill O'Reilly as Sgt. Hulka with that wise-ass smirk on his face. The price of admission would be worth it just to hear him say that one line ..."Lighten up, Francis." :D

P.S. - That other line's from the wacked-out Nazi dentist in the Dustin Hoffman movie "Marathon Man".
 

JustBob

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I mentionned this in another thread. I believe the paranoia and attitude bordering on hostility towards new members is ridiculous. There are enough "experienced" members here that shills are eventually going to get caught one way or another. All this attitude is going to achieve is to drive new members away.

And get rid of post counts and replace it with a "status", i.e. new member, senior member, gold member, special edition, legend, hall of fame, etc... Where for example new member = 1 - 199 posts, senior member = 200 - 499 posts, etc... This is one of the best measures another forum I belong to ever implemented. People are just too obsessed with post counts.

For this forum, I'd suggest: Flacid member, semi-erect member, fully erect member, John Holmes :D
 

tianye22

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CantSeeMrHappy said:
A guy posts with 1-3 post about a great experience and is labelled a shiller immediately...

Then the opposite happens with tianye22...see his incall post on zzcream.

So do the people that label shillers so quickly label the above post as a competitor looking to hurt?

Just a comment that I see too many quick-to-the gun comments, ruining the experience for a first time poster, so that we never see him again. Which is a shame.

So rather than publicly saying shilling, just PM the guy, or if we have first hand experience to the contrary to say so. Plus the mods do a great job too.

Remember your very first experience and it was wonderful, while still on that HigH you post on Merb rather enthusiastically...

Just my rambling thoughts as I see senior members and not-so-seniors disappearing from the board w/o much new blood.
There I said it.

So newcomers, here`s your chance to up your post count by 1 and reply here , add a few comments about yourself (not too specific). What you like, etc. Lots of friendlies on the board too.
What the f**k is the problem? What is wrong of being a new poster? I warn those guys show some respect to the newbee on this site. You are seniors of what? Know your role and shut your mouth!!!
 
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asimplepicture

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I am as guilty as anyone……

Yes, I have personally been a little “short on the fuse” and rushed to judgment on more then one occasion. Am I the barometer for the industry or consider myself a senior member, certainly not? With that said, both HonestAbe and Incognito have expressed their experiences. I have never had issue with Abe but I believe I am the one Incog refers to in his reply. If you notice, both of them remain on the board. So what remarkable attributes do both of them possess? As much as Incog suggests it’s his Teflon suit, I believe it’s their example and conviction to provide truthful, detailed and accurate information. If they did not feel their contributions were meaningful, I am sure they would find better things to do. I feel these are the qualities, which enabled them to run the gauntlet on this board, if you will. I also believe these are the qualities which legitimize the board and the true contributors, as opposed to the shills and disgruntled posters whose only real purpose is to bolster their ego, destroy one’s reputation, make a request for help and offer nothing meaningful in return. Was this fair to Abe & Incog? Probably not, but I believe this is the nature of our indulgence, especially when it combines the lethal combination of money, sex and ego. Does this justify my behavior, certainly not, but I am just as accountable in my admission, as they are in the passion of their contributions.

I will try to temper my suspicion as to what I consider, suspect information. Perhaps this is a by-product of the unscrupulous nature of this business here in the states and any number of my experiences. But, I make no excuse as to how I interpret information on this board or present my opinion. I welcome the opportunity to be pleasantly surprised. When I am wrong, I will acknowledge it publicly and accordingly. But for those whom take exception with reputable members pursuing a hard-line towards belief and at times, their comments, I suggest trying to become a little more thick-skinned or just plainly cease and desist. I believe for the most part, the perceived, ill-advised approach is an attempt to safeguard this board, the ladies and the effort imparted by willing participants in regard to information offered. Yes, maybe some of the senior members demand respect as opposed to commanding respect, but no-one is telling anyone who or what they should or should not respond to or who’s opinion they should take to heart or value. On this board and as much as my favorite SP, I am realizing the relationship requires nurturing and embracing. Perhaps I should not be as reactive. In most cases and indeed in mine, it is nothing personal. One last note, unless some of us are the type of individuals whom chose to share their participation on this board with either the agencies or their guests, who gives a shit what anyone thinks? The only obligation you have as a Merbite is to be forthright, accurate and honest as for the most part, none of us should personally know any of us by our handles or our reviews. Perhaps the attitude should be gratitude! I’m game.

I have previously acknowledged my shortcomings in regard to Incog and remain appreciative of having the ability to reach out to him. I have even done my best to compromise my use of commas.
 

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a little blast from the past...

Techman said:
Actually I feel that too many first time posters are too "quick-to-the gun", as you put it, when it comes to posting. A lot of their posts are shooting from the hip without taking any care as to how their post looks to everyone else.

Techman said:
I spend most of my NYE's at the downtown sc's, usually Wanda's and Super Sexe. The last couple of years they have been very quiet. Wanda's used to have a decent party with free food being passed around and free glass of bubbly, cheap but free :D , but the last two years they have done nothing. A couple of the dancers there are friends and they tell me that the club is dead lately. Probably due to the lack of hockey. I will still pop in this year to wish those I know a happy New Year but I think I will spend most of the night at Cleo's. Super Sexe is ok but is usually filled with young kids who have had way too much to drink.

You're first post Techman...and another two dozen posts after that BEFORE your first review. You took the time to chat on the board...then added to the information available with a review. Now if the post above was a review on the same day you registered...then im sure there'd be no "techman" today. No real hobbiest registers the same day he posts a review.
 

Cosmo

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Dahlia,

Most of the time you come here and lecture us.How many reviews you have?
Your idea of merbites verifying a newbie's recommendation isn't a good one IMO.It's the purpose of shills to come here and try to convince us to go ''try'' her ''favorite'' mp/sp.
Imagine we all decide to go and see for ourself if the info was indeed accurate,the shill would,ve obtain exactly what they wanted=attract clients.
The trick is to spot the shills and boycott their establishment.
I usually asks the suspicious posters about their credentials, and usually shills will find all imaginable excuse not to give out any.
Tell us about your experiance,where de you go for massages,what incalls do you see,what agency do call when in need,descriptions of clinics and mp's...
They say it,s none of your business blah blah blah....And on top of it they'll start lecturing us how to behave!
Oliver once suggest a newbie must have at leats 20 reviews(not just about the same provider of course) before starting a new thread.Good idea.
Shill busters exists because unfortunately shills exist too.
No shills=no shill busters.
 

Lone Rider

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Not being factual enough

Guys,

one of the problems with first time posters it that they are not factual enough. They have a good to excellent experience, then they write that this SP was wonderful, the best in the world type of thing. Because of this, the post may be honest in reality but it is perceived as being a shill.

As an example, when I post a review, I usually describe what actually happened and describe the girls as I see it. For example, I do not say that "this was a mind blowing experience". Stick to the facts as much as possible.

At the end of the review, just say whether you would repeat or not, and briefly explain why.

Producing a review like this leaves little room for interpretation and cannot be perceived as a shill. Therefore, novice posters do not necessarily understand these basic principles of posting a review. I believe that instead of blasting our newcomers for shilling, we should educate them via PMs or polite responses to their posts and by producing a constructive criticism of their post with the goal to help them become better.

Like many of you have eluded to, senior posters are leaving and newcomers are a rare commodity. With the amount of girls available in newspapers, internet etc, we are tapping to only a small fraction of what is actually happening in this great city of Montreal.

It is not because posters have 500 above posts that they cannot have any credibility. I have been around since the old Canbest days but I do not post much. I prefer to review as factually as possible the SP then, let see what my fellow posters have to say.

Finally, if a newcomer gets flammed, since there will always be guys quick on the gun, well, do not take it personnally. Understand why you are being flammed then adapt. Without newcomers to this board, this medium will eventually become useless.

Lone Rider
 

Cosmo

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Exactly,
When a novice gets attacked,if he really is a hobbyist,the best thing to do is to roll up the sleeves,report,review and prove the attacker wrong.
Beign called a shill isn't the end of the world.Many of us have been and are still there.
There's a legitimate reason some of us are wary of potential shills.
In the not so distant past we were able to unmasked a few.
Some of them have the nerve to come back.They never learn.
 
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