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On the Economics of Hobbying

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I decided to start a thread that discusses the economics of hobbying. In particular, I wanted to discuss the economic forces that support this business.

The way I see it, the law of supply and demand still dictates the rates that agencies and indies charge. But what we do not understand is how these forces interact to change the rates throughout time.

From the looks of things, we are heading into a mild to moderate recession in the U.S. and subsequently Canada. Interest rates have risen a lot from historically low levels and it's starting to impact the housing and condo market. It will also impact home equity withdrawals and consumption, which will be negative for the whole economy.

Now, what would you expect in this type of environment? You would expect the supply of SPs to increase and the demand for SPs to decrease. That's what the economics textbooks tell you.

But it isn't that simple. Some hobbyists are richer than others and they'll continue paying HDH rates no matter what. But if LDL ladies offer similar or even better service at lower rates, then why bother with HDH?

I only bring this up because the McMansion market (houses over $1 million) in the U.S. is dying quickly but lower priced houses are still selling well. I also think that HDH agencies are charging outrageous sums for what they're actually offering.

For me, I get very weary of paying more than $400 for a 2 hour encounter, especially when it's an indy that takes it all. Think about it for a second: does a neurosurgeon make $200 an hour clear in Quebec? Maybe but I doubt it.

As much as I love being with someone, my threshold is $500 for a 2 hour encounter and I have even asked myself if that is worth it too.

The winds of fortune are shifting and I believe we are going to get a lot more supply and a lot less demand for SPs. In this type of environment, it's hard to see rates going up and the high end agencies and indies will need to rely on their regular clients to survive.

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JackBauer2 said:
Who provides the best deal in proportion to quality/pricing and options...?

This could be separate in four sections: Massage, Incall, outcall and Strip club
Whatdo you think?
JackBauer2

Best deals:

Massage: Kim of Centre Kama is one the most beautiful women I've met and she provided an excellent Thai massage. I also think Maylee, the indy, is one of the best masseuses for quality/rates but she isn't drop-dead gorgeous (but still very sexy). I heard great things of Borissa but I have not met her.

Incall: With rare exceptions, they are to be avoided in Montreal. The Luv sisters offer an incall at a nice hotel once in a while but I find their rates expensive for a safe service ($300/ hour for safe GFE).

Outcall: Celine's, Eleganza, Devilish, Candy's and Xxxtase are among the best along with Asservissante and Satin Dreams. I still think that Michelle of Celine's is the best value for your money. $320 for two hours with this beautiful and mature lady is a steal for the price/quality that you're getting.

As far as indies, I believe that Miss Samantha's rate ($400/2 hours) is also fair for the exceptional service you'll get from this beauty.

Stripclubs: No clue. I haven't been to one in a while.:D

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JackBauer2 said:
I think that you did not get my message correctly...Whjat i would like to build is a list that we could compare pricing and excellence of services.
Ex: Victoria at L'Ile exotique: 120.00 for 1 hour massage+cbj+nude+daty+DFK
This is what i call good quality pricing ratio...lolllllll:D

Yes, but I do not find Victoria's body anywhere near the bodies that I've experienced at Kama, Spa Isis or Salon d'Or. Victoria is very cute and nice but not my cup of tea in terms of her body (too pear shaped for me). I have not tried Natalia yet...and I might not either.

If we are talking real bargain hunts with real beauties, then we need to pay more than that. If you're talking dirt cheap with lots of options, then I guess Victoria would qualify.

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Lili Love

If you are into older MILFs, Lili Love is one of the best SPs out there and her rate ($200/hour) is very reasonable for the outstanding service she provides. You can take that to the bank.:p

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Alexia at Bodylicious

A total steal for $150/hour. I spent two hours with this brunette and I thought she was awesome. She and Michelle have a lot in common (tall, beautiful, mature brunettes that provide a great service).

The only problem with Alexia is that she works for Jay who is a little spacy. Don't bother pre-booking. If you're lucky, you'll reach her that same day. Again, book these ladies for a minimum two hour appointment.

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General Gonad said:
For me, I get very weary of paying more than $400 for a 2 hour encounter, especially when it's an indy that takes it all. Think about it for a second: does a neurosurgeon make $200 an hour clear in Quebec? Maybe but I doubt it.
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Does the neurosurgeon get paid for more than a few hours a week? SPs do not get paid based on a full time job; Or even most part time jobs for that matter.

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naughtylady said:
Does the neurosurgeon get paid for more than a few hours a week? SPs do not get paid based on a full time job; Or even most part time jobs for that matter.

Ronnie,

This is not my point. My point is that some independent SPs charge obscene rates per hour and I think it's crazy. But if they can repeatedly get it, good for them. I will not be part of this because I know how difficult it is to get this kind of money in the real world.

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General Gonad said:
Ronnie,

This is not my point. My point is that some independent SPs charge obscene rates per hour and I think it's crazy. But if they can repeatedly get it, good for them. I will not be part of this because I know how difficult it is to get this kind of money in the real world.

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*cough* lyla karina *cough*

To date her you can also dish up some pocket change for Gianni Campagna's Super 150s!
 
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*cough* lyla karina *cough*

To date her you can also dish up some pocket change for Gianni Campagna's Super 150s!

LOL...like I said, if they can get away with it, good for them. BTW, there are others apart from Lyla that I think should lower their rates. But again, it's their time, their body and if they can get away with it, good for them.

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Yes a neurosurgeon get paid by the job. They also have a salary from the hospital to be available for consultations, to be available on call for the emergency dept., etc.

Moreover, show me a neurosurgeon who goes a week or more without income and I will show you one on vacation or retired!

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Market Forces

There is no question that the rates described often exceed the budgets of many who wish to participate. You can argue all day about the value of the service being provided and never reach agreement. SP's will charge what the market will bear or what they are willing to live with. Market forces will always dictate healthy competition as some who are hungrier will undercut the others. So be it.

From a perfectly selfish point of view I cannot help but believe that JB2's suggestion of a list will benefit hobbiests in a twofold fashion: First, it will serve to keep pricing competitive and give hobbiests best value for the dollar, and. second, it will allow hobbiests of various financial means a tool to quickly and effectively find those services which "fit the budget." After all this site was initiated to serve hobbiests notwithstanding the fact that sp's participate as well. I don't know what form such a list might take or the mechanism. Once upon a time the spreadsheet did all that for us but with managing it being such a cumbersome task it was abandoned. Perhaps it should have been narrower in scope.

Sorry Ronnie but the pluses seem to outweigh the negatives on this one, at least for me. Just my two cents worth!
 

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High gas prices that are forcing destinations might also be considered to a slowdown in the escort economy. Air fares are also skyhigh, especially for Montreal. You cant fly anywhere near Montreal without paying a premium. I can fly to New York or Boston for about $120 roundtrip...getting to Montreal runs me another $250. Used to be I could find a reasonable rate of mid $200's for Montreal...havent seen that in over a year.

I can drive it easy enough...but once i pay for parking and gas its almost at the cost of airfare. I love Montreal...but im finding airfare to Germany only $240 bucks more than Montreal...and Germany is starting to look awfully tempting once again.

P.S....GG, seven posts today just on this thread? Who's taking the board too seriously now?:cool:
 

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$500 an hour for a call girl. No fckn way. I don't care if it has gold trim.

You are much better off with a naively, enthousiastic 20 year old girl next door or a skilled, cooperative, pretty MILF or the LDH that show up to round out their budgets.
 

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The way I see it..................

If a recession hits, be it soft landing or hard hitting. The already established SPs and MPs will be getting repeat clients. The new MPs and SPs will have a harder time, and money will have to be spent on advertising to attract clients. It will be these new MPs and SPs that will cause put preasure on new and established MPs. This is plain economics 101.
In hard times more is offered for less, there are many examples of this practice even in regular times. An example of this is the 2 for 1 Tuesdays at theaters, or the McSandwich of the day for $1.89
 

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I am not disagreeing that some SPs charge outrageously high prices when compared to others. (I do not think my rates qualify as outrageous yet business is so slow this summer I cannot afford to lower my rates, expenses are the same or higher, yet income is lower)

What I am saying is that by trying to force our prices down you end up with quality ladies getting out because they are not making enough money to make the trade worth while; leaving newbies and need workers (as opposed to those who have other choices) who are frequently willing to practice unsafe acts out of desperation. It has happened before...

Ronnie,
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Blues said:
First, if you look at the $ per hour, particular tax free, it looks like alot, but to Ronnie's point its not an 8 to 5 job, nor could it be. I can see where it would be difficult to make alot of money but possible to be comfortable, at least while active. And how long can you work? 40? Then what? Pension, N/A, sick days, N/A, vacations and holidays, N/A.

Blues,

Like many cash jobs, there are no benefits like sick days, vacation pay or pensions. Think about a cab driver who works 12 hour shifts to make $120 net in his pockets after a long day. He also has to deal with clients, some of which can be real assholes. They've got no sick pay, vacation pay or pensions. The job is hard and involves many hours. Is their pay fair? I do not think so but that's the market.

I am not suggesting that SPs are overpaid. Some are and some are not. The typical lifecycle of an SP is 3-5 years where they try to amass as much money as possible. The younger SPs typically make more money than the older SPs. Agency ladies typically make more money than indies because they see more clients. But no SP is doing this to retire.

As far as HDH, I agree with you that if you're able to afford it and you're enjoying your time, then it is worth it. As far as tips, however, I am more biased to tip an agency lady than an expensive indy. If I am paying the latter $500 or more for two hours, I consider the tip is included in her rates.

As far as taking good care of these women "financially," I think it's up to them to take care of themselves. Some SPs easily clear between $3,000-$4,000 a week and have little to show for it. If they cannot save their money and blow it on frivolous expenses or even worse, drugs, then that is not my problem.

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Blues said:
A couple points. First, if you look at the $ per hour, particular tax free, it looks like alot, but to Ronnie's point its not an 8 to 5 job, nor could it be. I can see where it would be difficult to make alot of money but possible to be comfortable, at least while active. And how long can you work? 40? Then what? Pension, N/A, sick days, N/A, vacations and holidays, N/A.

Surprise! I pay income tax. (...and boy do I owe them for last year). Thankfully, I do declare or else I would not be able to claim for lost income with the SAAQ due to the car accident I had in February. People who don't pay income tax are not eligible for disability (they go on welfare) unemployment, and so on. If you don't claim income it can be very difficult to get a loan (the prividledge of debt) and if you didn't have one previously a credit card (a necessity if you are going to rent a car for example).

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General Gonad said:
Blues,

Like many cash jobs, there are no benefits like sick days, vacation pay or pensions. Think about a cab driver who works 12 hour shifts to make $120 net in his pockets after a long day. He also has to deal with clients, some of which can be real assholes. They've got no sick pay, vacation pay or pensions. The job is hard and involves many hours. Is their pay fair? I do not think so but that's the market.

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As far as taking good care of these women "financially," I think it's up to them to take care of themselves. Some SPs easily clear between $3,000-$4,000 a week and have little to show for it. If they cannot save their money and blow it on frivolous expenses or even worse, drugs, then that is not my problem.

GG

Yes the cabbies take home pay is less than an SPs. Compared to most other cities, Montreal can be said to have too many cabs. Too many SPs? Well these few months the sex work industry is down. Weak USD, less travel and now with the latest terrorist alerts I don't see it getting better. SPs and MPs are being hard hit. If a recession hits? For us it has already. Even regulars are spending less. That is the market.

Even earning $4,000 a week, it is a short career for most, not long enough to put away much considering most women get into the sex business because they are in financial debt and that needs to be taken care of first. Also the business does have expenses, such as advertising, many need to pay a photographer, web master, web hosting, and computer expenses, (news paper advertising is more expensive than on the web) make-up, lingerie, perfume, appropriate clothing and foot wear (I for one cannot imagine showing up in my comfy sweat pants and runners :eek: )

Ronnie,
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Recession in Montreal's SP community...

naughtylady said:
Too many SPs? Well these few months the sex work industry is down. Weak USD, less travel and now with the latest terrorist alerts I don't see it getting better. SPs and MPs are being hard hit. If a recession hits? For us it has already. Even regulars are spending less. That is the market.

Even earning $4,000 a week, it is a short career for most, not long enough to put away much considering most women get into the sex business because they are in financial debt and that needs to be taken care of first. Also the business does have expenses, such as advertising, many need to pay a photographer, web master, web hosting, and computer expenses, (news paper advertising is more expensive than on the web) make-up, lingerie, perfume, appropriate clothing and foot wear (I for one cannot imagine showing up in my comfy sweat pants and runners :eek: )

Ronnie,

I agree with you, there is a recession in Montreal's SP community and it's going to get worse. This is why I do not understand some new agencies springing up, charging $550 for a minimum of two hours for their VIPs (who used to be $180 not too long ago).

I can spend $320 for two hours with Michelle of Celine's or $300 with Alexia of Bodylicious who are among the best SPs out there. These two ladies are my current benchmark.

It is my opinion that anything above $400 for two hours is ridiculous...yes ridiculous. I know you can charge whatever you want, especially if there is some sucker willing to pay it. But it's getting competitive out there and this is only the beginning. Wait, it's going to get even more competitive so don't expect SPs charging ridiculous rates to have a lot of staying power.

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Lyla who?

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You mean you are not going to see Lyla Karina before she leaves for a long send off?

How dare you!

Because of that you have to bow down and pull my finger GG.

I am going stick to what I wrote above - paying more than $400 for two hours is ridiculous. I've gone up to $500 for two hours but it left a bad taste in my mouth. And no, I do not give a rat's ass if Lyla or any other prima donna is leaving the scene...there is always fresh new talent coming in to replace them.:D

GG
 
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