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    Question First time customer....

    I am planning to be a customer for the very first time in my life next week.. I know enough from this board not to let the ladies know about it, but any more information is appreciated.
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    Welcome to the party,

    What kind of information are you looking for? Your query is a little too general for a meaningful response.

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    Well,
    I don't want to be taken for a ride that will last 10 mins, with the lady walking away after that..

    What are the traps to watch for? Do I meet the person at the lobby of the hotel I stay in, or do they come to the room directly?

    I know or specific girls I will have to check the 411 area of the board, but I am just after some general "do and don't " list sort of thing..

    Thanks..

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    Thanks for clarifying...

    I`m glad to respond. I see you`re a fellow American. You`re obviously used to the clandestine environment and relative level of mistrust that often clouds the conduct of business in the states. That is the exception to the rule in the major metro areas of Canada, rather than the general fact. Most of these ladies do not work for tips but are flat fee. I generally pass on offers of additional services for a fee. I recall having one lady say that would be extra xxx. If she hadn`t been so good I would have ended the session right there. It just so happenned that I had already left a tip that was twice that amount in the pile of money. I hated to be crass, but I directed her attention to the pile of money on the nightstand, which by custom she hadn`t even touched. She took one look...we had a good time. I ordinarily don`t feel obligated to tip independents. I will tip agency girls a modest amount..say 20 to 30 bucks an hour if they are LDH variety. Most of the ladies don`t expect a tip at all and some are either surprised or will refuse the extra money. With respect to time, you usually get the full hour. However, if you are an hour client, understand that you need to include 10 minutes or so at the end for the girl to clean up. These types of things and many that I will mention in the coming paragraphs depend entirely on the type (agency or Indy) and range (LDL or HDH) of escort that you are engaging. So since I`m not sure, I`ll cover a lot of ground, some of which will not be of interest to your specific situation.

    You will not generally need to meet the girl in the lobby unless you have a hotel that doesn`t have 24 hour lobby or requires key access to the guest elevators. They will come directly to your room. If you tell us where you`re staying we can give guidance there. Most all hotels in Montreal are escort friendly, that is to say they don`t hassle the girls nor the guests about having girls in their rooms. Of course the other part of escort friendly is whether they have to go through hoops to get to your room if the lobby is locked at 11pm or the elevators are keyed. I avoid these situations at all cost. This activity is entirely legal for you as a client in Canada so there need be no fear of reprisal from LE for an outcall to your hotel. If you are contacting an agency for the first time, be sure to confirm the rate with the operator before hanging up. She or he will generally only need your first name and room number. If they ask for your last name, don`t freak. It is because they know that if they need to call your room they will need your last name for the hotel operator to put them through. It is not customary for most of the agencies to call your room before the girl arrives. If they do call you it will generally be because the girl will be delayed. Consider that good customer service for the lower end agency. The way I handled these situations in the past I would generally call the agency 30 minutes in advance to reconfirm an established appointment. This will put you on their mind and possibly they will inform you of any hiccups in her arrival time. Independents will almost always call to confirm they are on their way. Communication is key with Indys and you should make sure both you and they do it well. If she is more than 10 minutes late, call them to find out what is going on. I find it humorous when a guy reports that a girl was 10 minutes late in his review. Generally that is no big deal. Consider the fact that if she is with an agency, she`s riding around in a car with several other girls and you are at the mercy of her last inconsderate client as well as the order of delivery of the girls in the van. You do have a right of refusal for most of the girls from the agencies. If you excercise that on an independent lady with whom you have personally made an advance appointment, a cancellation fee of nominally at least her cab fare say 40 to 50 bucks is certainly in order..PROVIDED..you are not a victim of bait and switch. If she bitches tell her what time it is and show her the door, and don`t even worry about the cancellation fee. Also in consideration of her lost opportunity, if she is an independent, you might consider additional money on a case by case basis. If the girl is not the one in the picture, send her away and don`t feel obligated under any circumstances. Make sure the operators understand that you expect what you order. If you take the operators description as your guide, then if you don`t like what you see, send it away. This is actually expected by many of the lower end agencies. Some of the newer situations that have thrown up websites are for suckers. They will act like you are a sucker. Don`t be one. There should be no reason you use an agency or lady that is not reviewed here on your first excursion into Montreal. Leave the exploration for Jacques Cartier..LOL. But calibrate your expectations to your budget. If you are spending top dollar, you will get that for most any girl reviewed here. You have some doubts..PM me.

    If you are seeing a well reviewed girl or agency discussed here on this board that is reported as reputable, you need not worry at all. Simply place the money on the nightstand next to the phone and the girl will take it. In fact within the first few minutes of your greeting invite the lady to use the phone to call in and point out that the fee is near the phone, etc. Of course you would never do this in the states. Some girls there will freak if you even use sign language to point out the money. Greet them as if they were a friend. A hug, and yes some may even liplock you before you get out of the entrance of the hotel room. Invite them to be comfortable. I usually offer a drink. Some guys on 1 hour schedules are really time concious and forget about that simple courtesy. You have to be the one responsible for controlling the time. Give the girl a few minutes at the end to clean up. Usually the agency will call when time is up. The first 10 seconds upon opening the door is crucial. I can tell whether I`ve got a dud generally just from how they walk through the door. Montreal women are in general much more cordial and relaxed than what you`ll find in the US. This is part cultural and part a consequence of the relaxed environment created by legality. Generally they don`t collect until the session is over, but don`t be overly concerned if they do. Its been my experience through the years that even some of the ladies who are notorious for collecting up front will size you up and as long as they see money in plain site they won`t collect until they leave. On occassion I`ve had to chase them down the hall to hand them the money. Just spread it out so that its easily countable.

    My advice is to find well reviewed situations here. I don`t know what your financial situation is for the trip, but there are numerous girls here that can be booked in advance. If you know your itenerary in advance, I`d recommend booking an anchor for the evening. If you like 1 hour appointments, those are best with LDLs. Many of the HDHs discussed here have two hour minimums. If they do offer 1 hour, then YMMV as to the mileage you get. For instance, if you need MSOG and are not sure about the lady, multiple hours will cause a lot of them to stop counting. For instance in 2 hours you can get 3 good shots on goal with lots of time on the ice..which hopefully is smoking hot..LOL. As a rule I don`t book for less than 2 hours. If you live in the DC area you are probably acquainted with a number of Montreal ladies that have done tours to the area. Give us some idea of what your preferences are in terms of price range and style and we can work from there.

    Anything else...just shout..

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    EBS, that was an exceptionally informative post for any FTC. Thank you for you time and effort.

    I do have a couple of start-up questions. With regard to a HDH in particular, would it be out of line to request (politely insist) them to "freshen up" prior to commencing, should they do not make the initiative themselves? I realize that, in most cases, they are professional and courteous, and because of that they may be insulted. And for you, even though you have prepared yourself prior to the engagement (i.e. showered, presentable), do you typically freshen up as well, as a considerate gesture and to reassure them that you are indeed clean? Lastly, in addition to beverages, can you give some examples to what type of snacks you would offer. This may sound silly, but just to have an idea of what's customary or considered appropiate. Thank you, again. Take care.

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    Re: First Time Customer.

    E.B. nails it ,in long form,here is a cheat sheet, HOTELS, Courtyard By Marriott, Midtowne HolidalInn, Quality Hotel, Four Points Shereton. Take three hours for first time, relax,talk, ease into it,you may be a little nervus. LDL,try Asservissante,Plaisir Dunord, Luxure,HDL, go with The companions, try not to make things harder than it really is,have fun.

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    Originally posted by Simple
    EBS, that was an exceptionally informative post for any FTC. Thank you for you time and effort.

    I do have a couple of start-up questions. With regard to a HDH in particular, would it be out of line to request (politely insist) them to ``freshen up`` prior to commencing, should they do not make the initiative themselves? I realize that, in most cases, they are professional and courteous, and because of that they may be insulted. And for you, even though you have prepared yourself prior to the engagement (i.e. showered, presentable), do you typically freshen up as well, as a considerate gesture and to reassure them that you are indeed clean? Lastly, in addition to beverages, can you give some examples to what type of snacks you would offer. This may sound silly, but just to have an idea of what`s customary or considered appropiate. Thank you, again. Take care.
    Simple,

    At the beginning of the appointment, I always offer the use of the ``facilities``, the same as you would with any guest that you receive into your home. Any lady who is concerned about her hygiene will make certain that she uses the restroom/washroom in Canada..lol.. prior to intimate contact. This is not something you should need to tell any escort. If you are ordering up the class of lady that you expect to show up dishoveled, I might suggest you consider better company.

    IF you are talking about my definition of HDH then it would be downright RUDE for you to insist anything politely or otherwise with regards to their need to freshen up. This is part of your expectation. If this lady is an independent I would absolutely expect that she would be coming to my location directly from her residence. She has had sufficient spacing between appointments such that even if she had a previous appointment that same day, she is able to go home and freshen up. I always allow time at the end of the appointment, particularly for an agency lady to use the shower. An HDH lady should arrive essentially ready to entertain the client. Likewise, you should always be freshly showered and it should be obvious that you are clean, well groomed and ready to receive the lady. I have offered to join a lady in the shower..:-) at halftime. In that 10 seconds I talk about, you`re sizing her up just like she`s sizing you up. When I used LDL, I`d try to get them coming on shift. With some of the lower end agency ladies that I`ve seen, I`ve never had a problem with them opting to shower or even take a bath. They like the jacuzzi tubs..LOL. I have never encountered a hygiene problem with any of the current crop HDH ladies. I can say that several years ago in at least one case where I was recieving a high priced agency girl, she arrived smelling like the last guy. I can report that she promptly left smelling the same way.

    One of the many advantages to booking ahead is that you have an opportunity to plan for your meeting. When I confirm with an Indy, I will always ask about beverages, food allergies, etc. Many will have this information on their site. Pay attention. Most guys just gawk at the pictures. I note that Lolita has thoughtfully put the girls preferences on the companions site. I generally stay in rooms with minibars and 24 hour room service. For any prebooked session I will have a bottle of wine or other beverage selected to a stated preference of the escort. In general, I`m going to have a good bottle of wine around, and may order something like a cheese and fruit plate, or even go to the local market and buy my own ingredients and pick up a baguette. The minibar will contain something appropriate given you don`t have the advantage of knowing beforehand. If you don`t want to touch or don`t have the minbar get a few sodas and juices at the local convenience store. Individual bottles of any beverage that may be opened and consumed within the scope of the appointment are the proper etiquette as it is important to many ladies to know the ingredients have not been tampered with. Baileys and Porto are very popular drinks in the area. Most of the girls prefer red to white wine. I have a few champagne lovers. I usually bring a California champagne as veuve de cliquot is availible everywhere. This allows them to try something they may not have enjoyed otherwise.

    If you don`t know anything about food allergies, WAIT until the lady arrives. Over the course of a couple of hours, she can`t reasonably expect a full course meal. Many of them would be happy with a glass of water, as long as you OFFER. You might pick up an assortment of belgian chocolates and truffles which I`ve found is almost always a hit. From correspondence I was aware that one lady was a lover of Sushi. She ``hinted`` that Sushi is an aphrodisiac. Given that the hotel was unable to supply any, I took a walk over to Sotos on McGill and had an assortment prepared by the chef. He also threw in a few pieces with Caviar. Not a bad investment for the evening as I recall. Makes more of an impact than a dinner date. I`m still smiling..LOL.

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    Again EBS, thank you for your insight.

    The reason I had asked about hygienic issues was from reading the thread concerning Alexandra of Aleeva and her apparent freshness. I understand now that this is an exception to the norm.

    https://merb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=1420

    I`m still undecided but have narrowed my sights on the companions (Serina, Ophelie) and IN (Sophie, Zoe, Lea). Tare care.

    SeminolePilot, thanks for starting this thread.

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    Bad news always gets amplifies...

    Originally posted by Simple
    Again EBS, thank you for your insight.

    The reason I had asked about hygienic issues was from reading the thread concerning Alexandra of Aleeva and her apparent freshness. I understand now that this is an exception to the norm.

    https://merb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=1420

    I`m still undecided but have narrowed my sights on the companions (Serina, Ophelie) and IN (Sophie, Zoe, Lea). Tare care.

    SeminolePilot, thanks for starting this thread.
    Simple,

    I`ll not be in denial here. Everybody who plays in this business has experienced the ``out of season`` escort. However, it has been rare in my experience with the properly mentored HDH in Montreal. Trying to institute some of the solutions talked about on the other thread such as mutual showering up front are not terribly practical, especially if they`re to catch the 1 in 25 occurrence. All the more reason to know who you`re dealing with and why you pay the big bucks. You don`t want the hassles.

    What I have seen and heard in both public and private discourse would indicate that Aleeva and Friends is suspect at best in this business. Allissas has long been on the buyer be ware list as far as I`m concerned. Tens of thousands of encounters and only a few incidents of ripe pussy, yet we`ll hear about it as if it happens everyday. Amazing how guys will discuss every minute detail of an encounter on this board as if it were a show stopper, yet I bet none and I mean absolutely none of this was discussed with either the escort or the agency owner at the time of the incident. In fact the guy who reports the ripe pussy says he ate it anyway..pitiful. It does little good to correct the problem to simply post it here. I tend to discuss my problems with the people who are in a position to correct them. Only if I get no resonable response do I feel it necessary to air them here. That`s the best chance to make sure that the next guys don`t have to deal with them. I also examine the operation of agencies and see whether they simply collect girls or whether they actually mentor them once they are in their organization. My first experience dealing with Alexandra at Montreal Girlfriends involved and encounter with Nelly who arrived only to announce that she was on her period when time came to get busy. This is not what I expect from a high class agency and I definitely made that feeling known to Alexandra. That was almost 2 years ago. I never reported it here because I received proper attention to the matter from the individuals involved. Yet we have accounts of no shows, 10 minutes late, I wanted 5 shots on goal in 20 minutes and I only got 4, you name it as if they are the end of the world.

    I am heartened by what I`ve learned of the internal operation of companions. There is an honest attempt by Lolita to get the girls together for meetings to talk about how they can improve themselves. Organizations such as FKS exist to assist and mentor apprentice ladies on how to render high class companion services. Its my experience they do a good job in training and mentoring these girls, thereby giving some quality control to the designation HDH. It shows in the quality of interaction I`ve had with all of them.

    Looks like you`ve got some solid choices lined up for ocnsideration. I`d say you could just throw a dart at this point and walk away with a smile on your face. Good luck to you and we`ll be looking forward to a trip report..LOL.

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    Originally posted by Traveler
    I agree with most of what is said here, but I'll add something about privacy if that is important to you.

    Independents usually keep fairly detailed account books just like any business person. I absolutely guarantee you of this.
    Traveller,

    This doesn't fit with MOST of my experiences in this business in Canada and certainly not in Montreal. I can ABSOLUTELY guarantee you that you have been watching far too much TV.



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    I remember my first time with a sp, it was pretty awkward. I didn't know that sites like canbest existed... it would have helped! At least my first sp was nice and sexy... the famous Charlene.

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    Traveller,

    This doesn't fit with MOST of my experiences in this business in Canada and certainly not in Montreal. I can ABSOLUTELY guarantee you that you have been watching far too much TV.



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    THough you have done a very good and thorough job in this thread, I'll even give you my congratualations. I'll have to disagree with you on this point and agree with traveller. Many agencies have my address and phone number on hand. How do I know, you may ask? Well I don't have to give my address and phone number. I may have been a good client but I doubt that they would remember off hand my personal info. Even when I moved I only had to give it once.

    With all this said. I have no privacy issues regarding my hobbie while in Canada. And if they try to blackmail (never heard of this) one call to the LE and they are closed. I say this not because I have any contacts, but while prostitution is legal in Canada, LE is just waiting for any valid pretext to raid and close these agencies/associations. I am also very surprised that Revenu Canada hasn't looked into these places yet.

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    Originally posted by E B Samaritano


    Looks like you've got some solid choices lined up for ocnsideration. I'd say you could just throw a dart at this point and walk away with a smile on your face. Good luck to you and we'll be looking forward to a trip report..LOL.

    EBS

    .... me too!

    Unsure when that will be, but nonetheless, thanks guys.

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    EBS:

    I am going to have to agree with my fellow traveler (LOL) here.

    I know for a fact that one of our (yours & mine) favorite agencies in TO keeps pretty careful records of customers.

    In fact a lady that we both know keeps a little black book of her encounters, if only to keep her boss honest.

    That said, one agency and one lady may be the exception rather than the rule.

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    Originally posted by traveler0099
    EBS:

    I am going to have to agree with my fellow traveler (LOL) here.

    I know for a fact that one of our (yours & mine) favorite agencies in TO keeps pretty careful records of customers.

    In fact a lady that we both know keeps a little black book of her encounters, if only to keep her boss honest.

    That said, one agency and one lady may be the exception rather than the rule.
    Traveller0099,

    What you're talking about is actually a computer program that was sold with the agency..not the customer database. All agencies and even indys would need to keep a miminmal amount of information around about their customers for the sake of good customer service as well as protecting the ladies at the agency. This provides the information to all the operators when you call. The program in question would contain only enough information about a customer to identify him...maybe not even an exact address unless there had been a problem with that client. Realistically, I live out of town, and entertain only from a hotel room. Why am I even concerned. By now they recognize my voice..LOL. It would also list who you have seen and flag any ladies that had asked NOT to see you. Indeed things like this do exist. Indys will keep their little black books. I had one actually leave hers in my hotel room in San Francisco. It made for interesting reading. I got directions to guys houses, what color car they drove, how much they spent, what they paid for, the whole enchilada. I returned it to the embarassed SP. As for indys in Canada, I have seen at least one of their appointment ledgers and can tell you that the only info there is enough for them to get to an appointment. If that appointment is at your house, why wouldn't your address be in there? Anybody concerned about privacy will not be conducting this activity at his home or business office. I even use hotel rooms at home. I never entertain at the house. So I'm not really that concerned. As an out of town guy who entertains in a hotel room, there is little to be concerned about.

    The other blanket comment I would make is that anybody who is concerned about privacy and safety should NEVER even consider going to an incall. You see, any lady that will allow you to sneak up on her front door without some legitimate attempt to find out about you, endangers all of her customers. But you guys don't seem to think about that. You're more concerned about whether the lady actually knows something as simple as your name and callback number, when you should be concerned about what psycopath or sociopath has visited with this woman and is now in a position to endanger your life. So the obsession with privacy primarily because of the implications of what will happen if you're "found out" often gets trumped by that absolute need to get your dick wet, regardless to the risk of your personal safety.

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