Senate impeachment circus

GMA said:

Yes, the entire Abuse Of Power by Trump was to damage Biden (whose son was not guilty of anything except trading on his famous father's name, but not as extensively nor as corruptly as the Ivanka and Donald Jr).

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Right on! Especially "the Ivanka". She has got enough chutzpah to get a cushy White House job and keeps drawing an enormous salary on the taxpayers' dime. The exact figure is so outrageous, I don't dare to quote it here. It can be found here:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/July-1-2019-Report-FINAL.pdf

Your words really sound like music: "Biden whose son was not guilty of anything .., but not as extensively nor as corruptly as the Ivanka and Donald Jr." Please keep posting!

minutemenX said:

GMA

“…trading on his famous father's name” is getting paid for the real or possible “protection” through his father as he was in no use for the company otherwise. He does not have any knowledge in the field and did not do anything for the company. Nevertheless, he was paid at the rate 10-15 times more that in a similar typical position for the same size company anywhere. This is the definition of the mafia-type corruption and not simply some conflict of interests.

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Hey, I'm not saying it didn't smell a bit, but no crimes have been proven, nor even specifically alleged re Hunter Biden. All the President's henchmen including Giuliani haven't presented any credible evidence of wrongdoing.
And certainly nothing compared to what the Trump children have done by profiting on their father's Presidency. And exactly what qualifications do Ivanka and her husband have to be handed positions and portfolios for which they had absolutely no prior experience? Ivanka's husband Kushner tasked with handling the Middle East Peace; Criminal Justice Reform; Opioid Crisis Management; Liaison to China; Liaison to Mexico; Liaison to the Muslim Community? And Kushner was given security clearances by Trump over the objections of the intelligence agencies and White House staff.
Trump's nepotism makes the Biden son look like a Little Leaguer

GMA said:

And exactly what qualifications do Ivanka and her husband have to be handed positions and portfolios for which they had absolutely no prior experience?

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None whatsoever. They are not even crack junkies.

Pointless to discuss this because the people on both sides are so firm in their opinions that they will ignore all arguments from the other side and try to spin everything their own way. The one point that everyone should agree on though is that under Trump's presidency the USA is more divided than it has ever been - and that is obviously not good for anyone.

purplem said:

The one point that everyone should agree on though is that under Trump's presidency the USA is more divided than it has ever been - and that is obviously not good for anyone.

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Right. Who the hell cares about that ancient Civil War. It may never have happened, who knows. And if it did, it is Trump's fault in any case.

GMA said:

Almost all those arguments are total lawyerly BS. Just like Adam Schiff anticipated during his closing speech last evening. He refuted every one of those talking points. Here is the link to his speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo89S64CBWA

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hahahaha Cnn ......ya right CNN'sis at its lowest-rated month among total viewers in nearly four years, since October 2015 yet fox is in 2nd place
Might as well ask the Mickey Mouse club .but hey you got them beat by a long stretch with your interpretation of facts over reality.

Before he was sworn into office he was subjected to an investigation by the federal bureau of investigation within 6 months of his inauguration found a special council being appointed to investigate
A russia collusion theory.in their opening statement several members of the house management tried to once again re hash the Mueller case.This case is not really about presidential wrong doing.
Now its ukraine
What next trump is responsible for the death of elvis cover up of space aliens and knows the whereabouts of hoffas body
This is so ridiculous its not even funny

purplem said:

Pointless to discuss this because the people on both sides are so firm in their opinions that they will ignore all arguments from the other side and try to spin everything their own way. The one point that everyone should agree on though is that under Trump's presidency the USA is more divided than it has ever been - and that is obviously not good for anyone.

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Truly agree. There is not space for real debates of ideas in this toxic divided era. The USA needs a 3rd or even 4th party option. It's an absolute necessity for survival.

jalimon said:

Truly agree. There is not space for real debates of ideas in this toxic divided era. The USA needs a 3rd or even 4th party option. It's an absolute necessity for survival.

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I agree that opinions are entrenched on both sides
However, it is frustrating to hear the common assessment of False Equivalency between the two sides, that both sides are equally spinning dishonestly.
The outright lies and misinformation is heavily weighted to the Trump/Republican Party/Fox News side.
The Dems will often turn on their own out of principles; see the forced resignation of Minnesota US Senator Al Franken.
Nonpartisan organizations have documented the fact that Trump tells multiple lies every single day. His administration is rife with corruption and self dealing Obama by contrast was a saint, with scarcely a hint of scandal for his 8 years
Fox News makes little attempt at presenting the truth. Whereas CNN presents both sides.
Honesty is the principle that drives the Left philosophically. They attempt to see both sides of every issue. Which is why their tent includes the powerless and downtrodden: ethnic minorities, the poor, nondominant religions, LGBT, climate change activists, environmental advocates for clean air and water, etc.
The Right represents the wealthy, big business, Big Oil, Evangelical Christians, gun manufacturers, voter suppression, racists/bigots
Their are good people on both sides. But most of the bad people are on the Right.

GMA said:

The outright lies and misinformation is heavily weighted to the Trump/Republican Party/Fox News side.
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got to change your comic book or get off cnn which is dropping each day do to its bias

this is the 2nd witch hunt 1st it was russia or do you have selective memory

Democrats with held a lot of evidence purposely as it was detremental to their bogus case they were trying to railroad through

The impeachment forces 4 senaters to stay in Washington micheal bennet amy klosbuchar Bernie sanders Elizabeth warren.

Trumps defence team warns senitors from removing him from office,less than 10 months were Americans vote to give him a second term.

For all their talk about election interference from the democrats their impeachment trial is them perpetrating the biggest election interference in American history.
Democrats attempt to remove the president in a election year sets a very very bad precident.

White house lawyers said let the people descide for themselvesThats what the founders wanted thats what we should all want.
Democrats in the 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] impeachment trial in American history argue he should be removed.
By argueing that us president trump pressured president of Ukraine to dig up dirt on bemocrat leader vice president biden.biden did this to himself.you can not dig up dirt on a innocent man.
joe bidens son had a $50,000 a month job with a corrupt oil company under the watch of obama.
It amazes me how many rats there is in usa politics its half truths which are taken and twisted or interpretations which don’t even remotely resemple transcitps which this case was fabricated on

jalimon said:

The USA needs a 3rd or even 4th party option. It's an absolute necessity for survival.

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In theory it sounds good, but with the American system it is what it is, most probably it won't work out as good as you might think
because you may have a perpetual lame duck president (For most of the time) minority parties blackmailing and asking for the
moon in order to support the president or the party in charge, control of the committees ???. (Uncharted territory).

The whole thing is flawed since the system, electing of a president is not a TRUE democracy anyway.

’Shifty Adam Schiff is a CORRUPT POLITICIAN, and probably a very sick man. He has not paid the price, yet, for what he has done to our Country!‘

How the hell the potus can tweet such dangerous sentences... How do you think half brain Trump idiot devotees interprets this sentence?

And we thought Bush was bad... My god bring him back!

The collateral damage Trump will do to the US may not be revertible.

jalimon said:

’Shifty Adam Schiff is a CORRUPT POLITICIAN, and probably a very sick man. He has not paid the price, yet, for what he has done to our Country!‘

How the hell the potus can tweet such dangerous sentences... How do you think half brain Trump idiot devotees interprets this sentence?

And we thought Bush was bad... My god bring him back!

The collateral damage Trump will do to the US may not be revertible.

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in between smoking joints did you
realize the market has soared under trump
reduced the cost of taxes and regulations, rebuilding our military, avoiding wars of choice and changing the courts rival those of all previous Republican presidents,
Economic Growth

• 4.2 percent growth in the second quarter of 2018.
• For the first time in more than a decade, growth is projected to exceed 3 percent over the calendar year.
• 4 million new jobs have been created since the election, and more than 3.5 million since Trump took office.
• More Americans are employed now than ever before in our history.
• Jobless claims at lowest level in nearly five decades.
• The economy has achieved the longest positive job-growth streak on record.
• Job openings are at an all-time high and outnumber job seekers for the first time on record.
• Unemployment claims at 50 year low
• African-American, Hispanic, and Asian-American unemployment rates have all recently reached record lows.
  • African-American unemployment hit a record low of 5.9 percent in May 2018.
  • Hispanic unemployment at 4.5 percent.
  • Asian-American unemployment at record low of 2 percent.
• Women’s unemployment recently at lowest rate in nearly 65 years.
  • Female unemployment dropped to 3.6 percent in May 2018, the lowest since October 1953.
• Youth unemployment recently reached its lowest level in more than 50 years.
  • July 2018’s youth unemployment rate of 9.2 percent was the lowest since July 1966.
• Veterans’ unemployment recently hit its lowest level in nearly two decades.
  • July 2018’s veterans’ unemployment rate of 3.0 percent matched the lowest rate since May 2001.
• Unemployment rate for Americans without a high school diploma recently reached a record low.
• Rate for disabled Americans recently hit a record low.
• Blue-collar jobs recently grew at the fastest rate in more than three decades.
• Poll found that 85 percent of blue-collar workers believe their lives are headed “in the right direction.”
  • 68 percent reported receiving a pay increase in the past year.
• Last year, job satisfaction among American workers hit its highest level since 2005.
• Nearly two-thirds of Americans rate now as a good time to find a quality job.
  • Optimism about the availability of good jobs has grown by 25 percent.
• Added more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since the election.
  • Manufacturing employment is growing at its fastest pace in more than two decades.
• 100,000 new jobs supporting the production & transport of oil & natural gas.
  American Income
  • Median household income rose to $61,372 in 2017, a post-recession high.
  • Wages up in August by their fastest rate since June 2009.
  • Paychecks rose by 3.3 percent between 2016 and 2017, the most in a decade.
  • Council of Economic Advisers found that real wage compensation has grown by 1.4 percent over the past year.
  • Some 3.9 million Americans off food stamps since the election.
  • Median income for Hispanic-Americans rose by 3.7 percent and surpassed $50,000 for the first time ever in history.
    • Home-ownership among Hispanics is at the highest rate in nearly a decade.
  • Poverty rates for African-Americans and Hispanic-Americans have reached their lowest levels ever recorded.

^^^^
The states have always been all about two possible outcomes .... two choices , sort of black and white

Multiparty politics ain’t going to fly in Washington with all the established insiders
And like Cruiser previously stated it’s not a Democracy anyways . It’s the 50 so states and not the popular vote

GMA said:

Their (sic!) are good people on both sides.

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Oh my, what do I hear? Trump on Charlottesville? Selling out our sacred ideals, arent'we?

^^^^^^ Up 3.. CB, that does not matter. Their person ( Hillary ) did not win and to them a buffoon won instead. The economy could be up 500% and zero unemployment and they would still bitch.
Look at the before and after net worth of Democrat politicians, something is rotten in Denmark but no one cares because it was a Democrat. Obama was a climate crusader and under his watch the US became the worlds leading fossil fuel exporter, no one gave a fuck. In Obama's last few days he gave million to corrupt groups, no one gave a fuck.

Sol Tee Nutz said:

Obama was a climate crusader.

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And so he decided to spend the last years of our planet in style and bought himself a modest oceanfront nest for a meager $11.75 mil. No corruption, mind you, obviously that was his savings from his community organizer times in Chicago.

C.B. regarding your post below let me tell you that frankly I don't give a shit. There are things that matter much fucking more then the economy.

Liberty of press. Without it a society will collapse. As simple as that. Declaring the press enemy of the people is very very dangerous. By the time we realize it's too late fucking Trump will be dead but it will be too late. The USA will be worst then Russia or China...

Climate. Like it or not fossil fuels will kill us all. Not realizing we need to start making big change now is a cowardly egoist act. We will all be in trouble the day we will have make too much damage to the planet. Adding 100k jobs on gaz production wont' matter much

Cheers,

jalimon said:

Liberty of press. Without it a society will collapse. As simple as that. Declaring the press enemy of the people is very very dangerous. By the time we realize it's too late fucking Trump will be dead but it will be too late. The USA will be worst then Russia or China...

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Trump's statements were indeed outrageous. He should have kept his mouth shut and quietly followed Obama's example. Tapping journalists' (and their parents') phones, reading their personal emails, that kind of stuff.

It really helps to be so clueless, doesn't it?

jalimon said:

Climate. Like it or not fossil fuels will kill us all.

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At least you got that part right. If not for fossil fuels, we would all be immortal. And now we are doomed...

Trump boasts about this economy are a mirage

C.B. Brown said:

in between smoking joints did you
realize the market has soared under trump
reduced the cost of taxes and regulations, rebuilding our military, avoiding wars of choice and changing the courts rival those of all previous Republican presidents,

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The stock market has been soaring ever since Obama took office and extricated the country from the financial crisis George Bush left him to clean up. That it continues to rise is unremarkable, given its trajectory under Obama. But ultimately, "No one ever knows why the stock market does what it does."(Alan Blinder, Prof. of Economics, Princeton U.)
Since Obama rescued the economy, job creation has continued apace, with no acceleration during the Trump years. Trump typically takes all the credit for simply following the Obama downward trend in unemployment rates.

Presidents can affect the economy through the decisions they make, but it often takes years to gauge the impact. For instance, most economists now say President Obama’s stimulus package helped pull the U.S. out of the recession, even though a majority of Americans at the time believed it didn’t work. Likewise, President George W. Bush’s decision to launch the Iraq War could have contributed to the Great Recession, economists note. But, even so, the president, Bruner says, is just one of the “many cooks in the kitchen” that influence the economy. (Fortune.com 07/20/2017)

A more recent survey than the 2018 one cited by CBBrown, this one by the Pew Research center in March 2019: Majorities predict that in 30 years, the economy will be weaker health care will be less affordable, the condition of the environment will be worse and older Americans will have a harder time making ends meet than they do now. Trump is not addressing these issues. Perhaps it's related to this:
It’s official: the Trump administration spent $1 trillion more in 2019 than it raised in revenue. That deficit is 50% larger than the deficit in 2017, which was President Trump’s first year in office, and represents the first calendar-year deficit to top $1 trillion since 2012. Annual deficits will only grow worse in the coming decade, in large part thanks to the $2 trillion tax cut Trump signed into law in 2017 and a similarly-sized tax and spending deal[FONT=Georgia, Cambria, Times New Roman, Times, serif] he signed at the end of last year (over a quarter of which was added to the national debt).[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Cambria, Times New Roman, Times, serif](Forbes.com 01/13/2020)[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Cambria, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Democrats and economists warned Trump that his tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations would not stimulate the economy to reached his promises of annual GDP rises to 4-6%. After a brief increase to 4%, the GDP growth rate quickly retreated back to the 2% growth rate established by Obama.
Today's children and young people can thank Trump for deeper recessions and higher taxes resulting from this deficit[/FONT]