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    Herouxville:Them damm bastards do not know what dammage they have done to themselves.

    The hillbillies of Herouxville Quebec have dammaged themselves more than they know. The world is now a global economy and the world does not stand still for neanderthals like the Herouxvillians.
    I suggest that they turn their clocks foward by 60 or 70 years so that they can have more tolerance for the world outside of the little town of Herouxville. When they do this I will be happy to welcome them to the 21 st. century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Peterman
    The hillbillies of Herouxville Quebec have dammaged themselves more than they know. The world is now a global economy and the world does not stand still for neanderthals like the Herouxvillians.
    I suggest that they turn their clocks foward by 60 or 70 years so that they can have more tolerance for the world outside of the little town of Herouxville. When they do this I will be happy to welcome them to the 21 st. century.
    From the province that banned the deadly apostrophe, nothing surprises me. But, if you look around the world, from trouble in England, riots in France, street gangs here Etc. you'll see that an open door policy isn't necessary the best one. The world is turning into one messed up place and in 60 or 70 years you might just be lucky that your not a part of it anymore.

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    The "rule book" they made was somehow stupid and denoted a huge lack of knowledge about the way other cultures work but, they still hit the nail about peoples getting fed-up having to "accomodate" peoples who choose to live here and should know how it's done here.

    Here's a few that should not be:
    -RCMP cop allowed to wear his turban. What cops wear is a uniform, UNIFORM, as in "they all look the same"! Why allow him to appears different and deface the RCMP uniform?
    -Kid allowed to wear kirpan at school. Ok, a pen can be more dangerous than a kirpan but, it's still a knife! I carry a small Swiss pocket knife since I'm 10yo, now I would not be allowed to do so at school. My 2" blade isn't more dangerous than a Kirpan. Why is a Kirpan allowed? Why don't he keep a representation of a kirpan, same as Catholics do with a cross? I guess I'll send my kids at school with a life-size cross!
    -Pool closed to men to allowed woman of a specific group to bathe without being seen: wear swim suit like in the 1800 and problem solved.
    -Women hiding their face: communication isn't only verbal, and this could be used by outsiders as a way to conceal their identity and commit crimes. Should not be allowed. Faces have to be seen. Hiding hairs? Go for it!
    -windows blocked at an exercice center so not to offend some specific groups.
    -Female cops having to step-down when dealing with certain groups.
    -Men thrown out of pre-natal course to accomodate minority group.
    -Companies paying-out extra day off to certain groups in order to allow them to celebrate their holidays. No problems but, all employees should have them, not just minority groups. Why should they have more day off? They should take their vacation days. At the end, either all are equals or it's not fair.
    -Paramedic not allowed to have his lunch in a certain hospital because there's ham in his sandwich.

    And there's lots of other like this.

    What I hate is, for a lot of these peoples, if they would have dared making any squeaks in their country of origin, they would have been thrown to jail or worst. Now, they are here and trying to impose their ways on the majority. That's not logical.

    As far as I'm concern, peoples can do whatever they feel doing at home or within their cultural group, as long as no laws are broken. Here, men and women are equal, no if or but. This is Canada. They were not dragged here, they came on their free will.

    I know and deal daily with lots of Muslims, lots of Jews, Haitians, Asians, Mexican, Hindu and others and have no problems with them. I don't mind whatever distinctive symbols they wear, or how they dress, as long as there's no chance of causing problems
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    All these immigrants I deal with and get along great are peoples are beneficial to Canada. They bring us a different point of view. All these peoples have something else in common: they accept they are now living in Canada and they have to adapt to Canada, not the other way around. Most of these have strong "native" values they still enforce at home and, of course, these values do transpire in day to day life but, they're not intrusive, not "in your face-deal with it" type. Most of these peoples have kids and those kids are still being tough their native tongue and ways, and are fluent with their language. We're not talking assimilation here. I don't want them to become like us. Difference is what makes us better. I just want them to adapt to our way of life and not try to force us to adapt to them. Evolution is a slow process and peoples adapt better to each other when it's done slowly, without external pressions. Whoever try to push isn't helping his cause.

    Talk about not helping your cause, anybody heard of tha Iman who decided to pay a visit to Herouxville, accompanied by a woman hiding her face? What a moron! If that's not trying to provoke, I don't know what it is! He even had a camera crew following him to catch any sign of "oppression"! He got quite a surprise because everybody down there was nice to them! It shown peoples are tolerant, they just don't want other to step on their toes. This Imam is a known troublemaker and have a criminal file in France because of violence. Canada want to expulse him at this time but it's stuck in bureaucraty. Why is the Muslim community don't just tell him to shut the fuck up? He's not helping them at all! That's the type of guy who creates racist peoples.

    There's a fine line between racism or not and, I don't consider myself racist. If my next door, 75yo white-Quebec-born neighbour would start telling me to change stuff he don't like about me, I would react the same. Same if somebody would move in my area and decide he want his house to be pink and demand all other houses to be painted pink: he would be told to get lost.
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    metoo4, you hit the nail on the head.
    This Imam lied on his entry to Canada,and now he comes here and lectures us on how to treat our minorities.
    He can go and screw himself.
    Most of these peples asking for accomodations(concessions from us) they're all a bunch of radicals and only ask for those accomodations for a political stance.

    Equanuinmity,
    DID YOU RERAD THE PAPER IN QUESTION????
    It says Quebecers think that they are racist at 59%,not that they actually are racist at 59%.
    Immigrants who were asked if quebecois are racists answered NO in a proportion of 75-80%.It's more like a self critisism from quebecers.
    It's like asking yourself if you are intelligent.You might answer yes,but if you aks another person his reaction might be different.....

    Btw,there is a lot of non ''pure laine'' that are against those silly accomodations--muslims included-- I suppose that makes them racists too?

    The Herouxville reaction is a signal that quebecois in general are fed up with all those accomodations that infrige on our collective values ie: men = women.
    If Charest and his bunch of hypocrites liberals would quit giving pre elections gifts like free pills to all walfares and start taking concrete actions against these silly accomodations,these small towcns would not have to do it themselves.

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    On devrais faire comme en Australie.... si les immigrants veulent pas s'intégrer ils doivent retourner d'où ils viennent...

    Sinon ben je vais devenir juif pour avoir le droit de me parker à des endroits interdit et avoir des infirmières/docteurs qui se déplacent chez nous c'est même jours là où ils ne peuvent sortir de chez eux ou bien devrais-je devenir musulman pour avoir 2-3 congés de plus par année... (ah non c'est vrai je suis à mon compte).

    Sinon bien en tant que Québecois francophone je suis aussi bien de demander d'être servi en français partout dans le pays tant qu'a y être.... quand je vais partout au Canada et que j'ai affaire à des employés du gouvernement je demande pas a être servi en français..... je sais qu'ils parlent TOUS anglais.....

    Je sais que mon commentaire va en déplaire plusieurs mais c'est pas mon problème et je l'accomoderai pas pour eux!

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    T'as raisons a 100% mon wilko!
    En Austaralie ils ont pris le teaureau par les cornes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmo
    T'as raisons a 100% mon wilko!
    En Austaralie ils ont pris le teaureau par les cornes.

    Je pense que plusieurs pensent ainsi aussi et faut faire de quoi avant que ca vire a l'anarchie... imaginer par exemple si on dit ok pour les 2-3 congés (payé) de plus au musulman. Je prend ça en exemple je en veut pas offusquer les musulmans mais que j'en voit un venir me faire la morale ici sur Montreal ESCORT review board.... je le repete je prend ça en exemple...

    Si on donne ses 3 congés là y'a combien de Québecois vous pensez (de toute nationalité) qui vont se déclarer musulman pour les avoirs? Et après ça on vérifie ça comment si une personne est musulmane? Et par la suite la personne se déclare juive pour un autre avantage? Etc etc etc.... ya combien de fonctionnaires au Québec? Honnêtement je sais pas mais imaginer le coût que ça va faire en heures supplémentaire si seulement 5-10% se 'convertise' à l'Islam...

    Je vais reprendre mon exemple de soin à domicile pour les juifs, avec les temps de déplacements chez le patient combien de personne ne sont pas pris en charge pendant ce temps là dans les hôpitaux et CLSC? Prendre soin de 1 personne a domicile doit bien au moins prendre le temps de 1 autre personne pour l'allez et 1 autre pour le retour? Donc on soigne 1 personne au lieu de 3?

    Êtes-vous prêts à payer? parce qu'au Québec des crosseurs c'est pas ça qui manque facque attacher votre tuque....
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    Excuse me but I have no idea where Herouxville is or what this thread is about. Would someone care to give me an explanation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver
    Excuse me but I have no idea where Herouxville is or what this thread is about. Would someone care to give me an explanation?
    Here's a great tool a bit like search option on merb but a bit more complete:

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver
    Excuse me but I have no idea where Herouxville is or what this thread is about. Would someone care to give me an explanation?
    Eager, you're forgiven for never having heard of Herouxville. There are probably many Montrealers who never heard of it either, at least until a recent controversy exploded about the town posting a statement on their web page directed to potential immigrants to Herouxville (town website) . The web page stated that immigrants to Herouxville would have to follow certain established norms of behavior in Canada and Quebec. Of course, since the tiny town is not exactly a "mecca" (pun intended ) for immigrants, the statement amounted to a political statement about the question of multiculturalism in Quebec and Canada.

    I don't see the statement anymore on the town's website. Here's an article about the controversy:

    Town stands by its norms
    The Gazette
    February 06, 2007

    "So did you ever hear of Herouxville before this?" asked Carole Casabin, who's tending bar at Pub 842, a convivial watering hole just down the main street from the town hall.

    "No? I didn't think so. But a lot of people have heard of us now."

    And so they have. Little Herouxville, a village of 1,300 in Quebec's Mauricie region, has been in the news worldwide since its town council adopted a set of standards aimed at immigrants, spelling out what is acceptable comportment in the municipality and what is not.

    What grabbed the most attention is that the list includes a specific prohibition against stoning women in public and burning them alive and an interdiction against face covering, except at Halloween - measures clearly aimed at Muslims, even though the town is almost entirely old-stock Quebec francophone and there isn't a single Muslim resident.

    Andre Drouin, the town councillor who instigated the measure, raised the ante on the weekend when he appeared on a popular Quebec TV talk show and called on the provincial government to declare a state of emergency to protect Quebec culture from distortion by foreign pressures.

    The Herouxville initiative has elicited considerable support, but has also exposed the town to ridicule from others.

    Yesterday, Premier Jean Charest, reacting to Drouin's latest sortie, said the furor has gone too far and is provoking dangerous excesses in the current debate in the province over what accommodations for immigrants are reasonable in Quebec society.

    Drouin, however, was unrepentant at a council meeting last night, where the council unanimously stood by the initiative and called on Charest to take action on setting rules for immigrants that would apply to the whole province.

    "It's what the people want," Drouin said.

    "There are 95 per cent of people in Quebec who want this. Now it's up to him to act."

    Drouin said he has received hundreds of supportive phone calls from residents and more than 5,000 emails from all over.

    He insisted Herouxville is not an isolated case.

    "It's a world problem.

    "What we did seems to have pulverized the planet. We took a decision and the planet is surprised. All we're doing is standing up and saying this is who we are."

    The Muslim Council of Canada and the Muslim Forum of Canada have threatened to lodge a formal complaint with the provincial human rights commission that the Herouxville measures are in violation of the Canadian Charter of Rights.

    But the happy hour crowd at Pub 842 is enthusiastically in favour of the initiative, and revelling in the town's newfound notoriety. The bar was buzzing yesterday with talk about the publicity it has generated and about who was on what TV network.

    Yves Trudel, who runs a bed and breakfast in the town, says the rules laid down by the council are a preventive measure that others, notably Montreal, should consider.

    "For them, it's probably too late to adopt a code of behaviour because things have gone too far. Here, we're saying this is the way it is and you respect it. This is our home, we're at home here and this is the way we do things here.

    "Some people are calling us Heroville," he added, confiding he had an appointment later with a correspondent from the French newspaper Le Figaro.

    Steve Lafontaine, a local electrician, said if others aren't following suit, it is because they are afraid to speak up and stand up for the Quebecois way of life.

    "Some others aren't going along because they get subsidies from the government that they don't want to get cut off. All the big cities are the same."

    "The people who are laughing at us don't want to say what they they really think," said Pierre-Luc Seguin, a construction worker. "But a lot of others are for what we're doing.

    "There was a guy here from Montreal last week who wanted to buy a Herouxville flag. He said we've got guts here. He wanted to put it up on the Jacques Cartier Bridge."

    Donald Masicotte, an electrician in training, said he doesn't feel strongly about the issue one way or another.

    "I don't think we're going to have Muslims moving here en masse the week after next," he said. "But it's causing a lot of talk. Anyone from outside moving here is more likely to be European."

    The council initiative was also heartily applauded by the two dozen local residents who attended last night's meeting.

    The only critical voice was from Lise Larivee, who agreed with its overall purpose but found some of the proposed rules were misdirected.

    "I'd like to know how many women have been stoned in Canada since it was founded," she said. "It was hardly sophisticated. It made us look like racists."

    Louise Trudel, who also attended the meeting, insisted there is nothing racist about the Herouxville initiative.

    "I have nothing against immigrants, I know a lot of immigrants. But at one point there has to be a limit to accommodating them. If they came here, it must be because they like the way we live.

    "We took our religion out of everything, the schools, the government. Why should they try to bring in theirs?"

    The most common attitude in town is foursquare behind the council initiative.

    "You either do catch-up or you do prevention. We're doing prevention," said Claude Veillet, a retired police officer. "We don't want this to turn into a tower of Babel."

    Herouxville Mayor Martin Perigny said he fully supports Drouin's initiative and is delighted with the publicity that has rained down on the town.

    "It's great," he said last night. It's been like a bomb.

    "I hope we've woken up the government and that they'll do something now."
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    Quote Originally Posted by player_82
    Les juif sont ici depuis l'age de Jacques Cartier! Vous voulez les déporté en France peut-être?! Vous chialer maintenant parce que vous sentez que le monde suit votre rythme aussi dans la province. Il y'avait un pays il y a 70 ans qui commencer petit a petit a fermé les écoles juif, les centre juifs et les service casher payer et maintenu au frais de la communauté juive!!!

    De la même façon que les accommodement raisonnable peut nous amener à l'anarchie. Vos propos peuvent aussi amener l’anarchie… Ca va dans les deux sens! Il y a toujours l’autre coté de la médaille!

    Non ce qui me fait chier c'est qu'ils commencent a revendiquer des trucs maintenant quand ils auraient du le faire dans le temps de Jacques Cartier comme tu dit... Qu'ils fassent comme leurs ancêtres... vlà 50 ans on payais pas pour des médecins qui allaient à domicile alors pourquoi on commencerais aujourd'hui?

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    Herouxville is a small Quebec town who passed a resolution (not by-law or anything, just resolution) stating stuff like it's illegal to stone (throw stones) women, illegal to hide your face (reference islam) and other stuff like this, more or less radical or plain funny.

    The way they did it was childish and uninformed but, with the Quebec cultural climate getting colder against immigrants who demand special accomodations to their religion, this resolution acted as a bomb. If you read my previous post, this will give you some background.

    Wilko suggest Canada should do like Australia, where you either adapt yourself to the country or leave. He is also referring to other privileges some minorities are getting because of religious beliefs and he is stating, rightfully, that all of us are paying for these, even if some are unfair and costly to the general population, like faster and private medical service in some occasion. He is also wondering how he would be recieved in the rest of Canada if he would demand to be served in French, thinking that now some minorities are starting to be treated better than French peoples who were born and raised in Canada.
    He is also suggesting we should convert to whatever religion, at the drop of a hat, as often as needed, in order to get all benefits these peoples are getting. It would then be to the government to figure out who's who and who's what, with all the costs this would implicate.

    That's about it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by player_82
    Les juif sont ici depuis l'age de Jacques Cartier! Vous voulez les déporté en France peut-être?! Vous chialer maintenant parce que vous sentez que le monde suit votre rythme aussi dans la province. Il y'avait un pays il y a 70 ans qui commencer petit a petit a fermé les écoles juif, les centre juifs et les service casher payer et maintenu au frais de la communauté juive!!!
    ??

    C'est tu juste moi ou il y a qqchose qui cloche dans le texte ci-haut?

    Qui parle de déportation? Les gens qui sont ici y reste, mais s'adapte. Les gens qui sont ici depuis des générations ne sont pas ceux qui causent des problèmes. Le problème viens de quelques têtes chaudes qui se croient meilleurs que les autres.

    La communauté Juive est bel et bien vivante à Montréal, avec ses institutions qui fonctionnes à merveille! Il sont en fait un exemple d'intégration très bien réussi. Même les Hassidiques sont acceptés et, s'il y a bien un groupe qui est visible...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptRenault
    "We took our religion out of everything, the schools, the government. Why should they try to bring in theirs?"
    I totally agree with this statement and it is consistent with the American federal law as embodied in the establishment clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. Separation of church and state.

    It's one thing when a muslim person lives in a Muslim country, but when you come to live in the USA and Canada it has to be understood that we have a separation of Church and State unlike what exists in the muslim countries. What this means is religion is kept out of schools and it is kept out of government.

    That is why western civilization has succeeded and the Arab countries are virtually all miserable failures. It's the failure to separate church (or Mosque) and State. It's also ironic that these people are coming from dysfunctional lives in dysfunctional countries and some do not respect the very tenet that enables us to live a bit less dysfunctionally, which is the doctrine of separation of church and state.

    However, most of the Arabs I know in the USA are hard working types who have "figured it out" - that means they have westernized, own small businesses like gas stations and restaurants, they don't wear towels on their heads, and they don't push their culture on others or do anything to piss off their customers. These guys own gas stations and the last thing they want to do is piss off their customers, many of whom drive the proverbial Ford pick up truck with the obligatory confederate flag. So they behave as westerners behave. And they make money like any good businessman will.

    What is happening in Canada is that due to your more liberal immigration laws you are getting the "fresh off the boat" types who have not figured it out as have most of our immigrants. I think that Herouxville's controversy is the kind of thing that is needed to help them figure it all out. My 2 cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by player_82
    Et moi je pensait qu'on était tous québécois ici....

    J'étais vraiment naif...
    J'ai pas dit qu'il n'était pas québécois... je parle de leurs ancêtres (québecois) qui sont arrivé ici dans le temps de Jacques Cartier comme tu dit si bien. Eux il n'ont jamais revendiquer de tel trucs et ils étaient Québecois tout comme ceux qui en font la demande aujourd'hui.... je me demande quoi qui se passe pour que tout d'un coup ils veulent tout changer si ça fais plusieurs générations qu'ils sont ici. Malgré le fait que je doute que ce soit ceux qui sont ici depuis des lunes qui font de telles demandes....

    Dans le moment plusieurs doivent penser que je suis raciste etc mais ce n'est pas le cas.... j'en n'ai pas après ceux qui font les demandes parce que dans la vie si on demande rien on ne reçoit rien sauf qu'ils faut être réalistes (j'ajouterais respectueux aussi jusqu'à un certain point) dans nos demandes. J'en ai plus à propos de ceux qui leur disent oui.... Le problème est plus là.....

    Mais player_82 je n'ai jamais dit qu'ils n'étaient pas Québecois loin de là....
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