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The footage is quite something. There's no way that particular franchise is going to survive!

For the Montrealers: I was walking up St-Laurent last fall in the early morning and saw a huge rat strutting inside a restaurant. I should have paid more attention to the name of the restaurant but didn't since it's not a part of St-Laurent I frequent much and the chances I find myself eating there are slim. All I can recall is that it wasn't an upscale restaurant and it's located on the west side of St-Laurent between Fairmount and St-Viateur.
 

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Nothing like a little Kentucky Fried Rat for an appetizer followed by a Rattaco for the main course.
 

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From MSNBC

Health Department records list the franchise owner as ADF Fifth Operating Corp., agency spokeswoman Sara Markt said.

Maybe they should change their name to 'ADF Filth Operating Corp' :D

Nothing like a little Kentucky Fried Rat for an appetizer followed by a Rattaco for the main course.

I prefer Kentucky Fried Kitten, myself.
 

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New York rats will eat cats for a snack!
 

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Agrippa said:
The footage is quite something. There's no way that particular franchise is going to survive!

Well maybe not that particualr location. But the franchise will go on.

Believe it or not rats are so common in NYC that most people won't even be fazed by this.

We see them everyday on the subway. If you're out at night in certain city parks you'll see them, too.

It's an accepted part of life. One-time former mayor Rudy Guilliani claimed that he was going to rid NYC of all the rats and people just laughed. He had already succeeded in seriously diminishing the influence of 'the family' in NYC both as mayor and as a District Attorney. But at that point he was ridiculed as trying to be "The Pied Piper" because it's just an impossible task.

There's just no way you can get rid of the rats. It's just a biological fact that an urban environment in a temparate climate is an ideal breeding ground. This is a fact of life since the first major cities developed in Europe way back in the middle ages. Rats have long been known to plague most major seaports and easily travel around the globe by ship.

Even if you could kill every rat on the island of Manhattan, everyday trucks, ships, and planes from around the world arrive here with all sorts of unwanted guests. Not to mention the fact that the "island" loses it's advantage of invulnerablity because it is connected to everything else by transportation and utilities to everything around it - both above & below ground! So if you get rid of all of them it would only make room for a fresh batch to move in.

The only thing to do is to control the population at a manageable, acceptable level. Even the finest restaurants & greatest hotels in NYC have them (as well as cockroaches, too); the only difference is that "nice" places spend enough on extermination to keep them from being quite as noticable as what you see in the place that this news story demonstrates.

The human race was nurtured in caves and still managed to survive & thrive so it's not necessarily a 'life-threatening' situation. As long as there's enough garbage to eat they won't come after us at least :D

P.S. - The species of rat that's most common is fairly harmless as long as they're not threatened or if an area isn't totally infested & over-populated. The one's that are really scary are actually the size of cats - it's no 'urban legend'! If you "google" the name of the species 'Rattus Norvegicus' you'll see what I mean. They're big!

Indigenous to Northern Europe, they came here in the 19th century by boat along with cargo & immigrants and they are alive & well here in NYC.

These guys even give me the "heebie-jeebies" :eek:

I mean a good-sized, regular, grey rat (species 'Rattus rattus' for you scientist-types) might be the size of an otter or a ferret, say. At least you can stomp on that!

But the big ones really are as big as house cats and I hear they can be very aggressive. Not something to you'd want to meet in a dark alley at night - or your local fast food joint at lunch time!

Last summer I worked for a company that owned an old building from the mid-1800's; when the ConEd utility crews came to read the electric meter in the basement, they always sent two guys as a team because no one would go in the basement alone - no joke!
 

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Rats in NYC

incognito_NYC is right, rats thrive in Manhattan so this whole story is much ado about nothing. In the Greenwich Village section of Manhattan, rats are the dominant form of life, with the older buildings and numerous intersecting subway lines, not to mention lots of garbage to eat for these vermin. If I was a rat, the first thing I would do is make my way down to the Village. And you know, they are not dumb animals, so some of them have already figured this out.

I have seen many rats in NYC in my day. They are part of the landscape, just as much as the Statute of Liberty and the Empire State Building.
 
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Agrippa

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Interesting post incognito_NYC!

That's what I meant, sorry, that particular franchise location, not the general KFC/Taco Bell franchise. Heck, I was one of the saps that stood in line for an hour to get a taste of that stuff here in Montreal.

An image of the aforementionned Rattus Norvegicus (about 8" excluding the tail, deduced by the bricks) http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4527/mediumcu8.jpg Yes it's climbing a wall!
 

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Wiki info

Sorry guys,

I'd love to see a picture too, but I can't find one and according to the Wikipedia article on Rattus norvegicus (Brown rat):
Rats weighing over a kilogram are exceptional, and stories of rats as big as cats are exaggerations, or misidentifications of other rodents such as the coypu and muskrat.
Both the Rattus norvegicus and Rattus rattus (Black rat) rarely exceed 8" (20cm).

My understanding of the innate repulsion towards rats has to do with with the diseases they can carry - particularly the plague! Considering that England lost 70% of its population (plunging from a population of 7 million to 2 million) due to the plague, one can see that a couple of centuries of conditioning would impart true fear into 'our species.'
 

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Esco! said:
Are you serious????? :eek:
Got any pics????

http://www.worth1000.com/entries/103500/103513HMOL_w.jpeg



Try this pic ... don't ask me how or why this guy is holding up a rat that big - LOL.

But that'll give you an idea of the size.

It's possible it's not the same species but I have seen them this big.

One summer night I was coming home from a Yankee game & waiting for a commuter train at the 125th St. stop up in Harlem and saw not just one or two monsters but more like one or two DOZEN huge rats hopping along the train tracks. And the train platform was packed with people so it's like they're not afraid of crowds or anything.

What made me notice them wasn't just seeing them - first I heard all this high-pitched squeeking. And I look down and they're all just hopping around all fat & happy 'cause they've had plenty to eat & life is wonderful. LOL - I mean some of these guys looked like they were just obese! A city environment is just what makes them thrive - access to plenty of rich, easily-accessible food.

http://www.il-st-acad-sci.org/mammals/murids1002.html

This online article claims that the animals can reach a size of about 2KG (a little under roughly 4 pounds) which is approximatley what you would 'guess-timate' as the weight of a cat.

Being in the construction industry in NYC, I heard some stories. Someone I know was describing the sight of watching a dynamite detonation for some excavation work being done. When the blast went off he said hundreds, maybe thousands, of rats surfaced because of the underground shock wave. And in a second, they were all back down underground.

The oldest parts of the city have them the most. In & around Times Square and the Theatre District, everytime any building is demolished, the first thing they do after the safety scaffolding goes up around the sidewalk is set out the rat traps. If you tear down their house, they just move somewhere else. So you have to catch them on the way out.

And if you've ever crossed Union Square Park or Madison Square Park on a summer night, you'll know not to do it in open-toe shoes ;)

"Go ahead ... bite the 'Big Apple'. Don't mind the maggots. Uh-huh."
 

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incognito_NYC said:
One summer night I was coming home from a Yankee game & waiting for a commuter train at the 125th St. stop up in Harlem and saw not just one or two monsters but more like one or two DOZEN huge rats hopping along the train tracks.......And I look down and they're all just hopping around all fat & happy 'cause they've had plenty to eat & life is wonderful. LOL - I mean some of these guys looked like they were just obese!

Been to that station many times, those rats are very fat and happy. I think all the rats in NYC live like kings. With all that food and garbage, why live any place else if you are a rat?;)
 

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EagerBeaver said:
Been to that station many times, those rats are very fat and happy. I think all the rats in NYC live like kings. With all that food and garbage, why live any place else if you are a rat?;)


LOL - it's like they even have their own union in NYC ... what is it ???

I think it's what ... Local #69 ???:D
 
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