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    is running an escort agency illegal in canada

    in the usa, it is illegal and can result in jail time of many years...in canada it seems that it is not illegal. Profiting from prostitution usually isn't legal, but is it in canada? just wondering?

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    Well, from what I've heard from a few escort agency owners, they are still susceptible to jail time also. Its just that the police don't pay attention to it too much because its really not hurting anybody. They have other more important things to worry about like guys trying to hook up with underage girls or guys trying to pick up prostitutes from the streets. It is illegal here in Canada but is overlooked by the police. In the U.S., police stings are always being set up because they feel this line of work is more of an important issue to deal with, which I think is stupid and a waste of taxpayers money. Hopefully they'll get their thinking straight and be more laid back and cool like Canada. Who knows, I might even move here soon. I hope this answered your question robertpal.

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    Running and escort agency is 100% illegal in Canada ("living off the avails").

    The difference, as the previous poster stated, is that in Canada the police don't pay much attention to it as long as your employees are over 18 and freely consenting.

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    Running an escort agency is perfectly legal. What would be illegal is running an agency for the purposes of prostitution. This is why all agencies use the same standard disclaimer. You can legally charge for a person's company. You just can't charge for the sex. Seeing as all the agencies state that the quoted prices are for companionship only, I assume that LE would have to prove that money was exchanged for sex. The only way that I could see this happening is if the escort herself asks for a certain amount of money for a specific act, in other words... extras. Otherwise I believe that it would be hard to prove that the money exchanged was indeed for sex and not companionship. I think that LE is quite comfortable with this situation as they don't have to waste manpower and clog up the court system with a bunch of prostitution cases, and can instead spend the effort on cases where an agency uses underage girl or in cases of human trafficking where the girls are forced into prostitution.

    But basically, running an agency, or working as an escort, for companionship, such as cases where a client needs a date for a business function, party, wedding, etc... is perfectly legal. In fact, during a report last year on television in regards to an event that was happening in the US, it was mentioned that in Windsor all escorts are licensed (is it like this in Ontario as a whole as it is with dancers?). I don't think the govt is in the habit of issuing licenses for illegal activity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Techman
    What would be illegal is running an agency for the purposes of prostitution. This is why all agencies use the same standard disclaimer. You can legally charge for a person`s company. You just can`t charge for the sex. Seeing as all the agencies state that the quoted prices are for companionship only, I assume that LE would have to prove that money was exchanged for sex.
    You just nailed it on the head Techman...the disclaimer is for time only. No way LE could prove the agency`s know what`s going on in the rooms.

    Unless they look at the posts from the agency owners that is...

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Devilish Escorts
    Hello everyone,

    Another new DEBUTANTE has just started with us,....
    She LOVES her job as you will soon see, her service is TC, DATY, DFK, MSOG, PEARL, DIGITS and offers greek for a reasonable extra.
    Quote Originally Posted by Darrell @ Magnetic
    Good evening Sirs,

    Tonight I have...

    MORGAN: lfk, dfk, , daty, digits, mpos, msog. Morgan will be available at 7:30 pm. She is a beginner to the sp world, and is eager to please. The special rate of 140$ per hour is still in effect.

    Regards

    D.

    Pretty much every agency owner posts what the girl will do...Darrell at Magnetic rarely posts specifics but has tons of links to the reviews. John of Eleganza by far posts ALL of the details...and in bold colors so LE cant miss it...

    Quote Originally Posted by John_eleg
    Hi everyone,

    I just wanted to mention about a new lady now available...

    Akyra - This very attractive, ``Debutante`` (New to the Business), French Canadian lady is very open minded.
    She is 21, 5`8``, 130lbs, Light Brown Hair, Green eyes, 36D-25-36(Natural). ***GFE***(DFK, DATY, TCCIMWS, SWALLOW, PEARLS, RUSSIAN, FACIALS, MPOS, MSOG and GREEK)


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    BM, I never said that LE couldn't build a case against any particular agency. The question was asked if agencies are illegal and as I said, agencies are 'technically' legal. If LE really wanted they could bust most of the agencies in town as well as anyone who posts a review on the board, assuming they could trace the handle. In fact all it would really take is for LE to register a handle, start posting on the board to build a bit of trust with the other members and then show up at a HDLM party to get visual id's of the members who attend. Nothing complicated. But as I posted...
    I think that LE is quite comfortable with this situation as they don't have to waste manpower and clog up the court system with a bunch of prostitution cases, and can instead spend the effort on cases where an agency uses underage girls or in cases of human trafficking where the girls are forced into prostitution.
    But as far as the services that the agencies offer through their websites, ads in the newspapers and Yellow Pages, agencies are legal businesses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by traveller_76
    Companies that give sell them domain names, websites that collect advertizing fees too, anyone who provides agents or escorts services? Living off the avails means living off the revenue of prostitution. Imagine the headline: Journal de Montreal on trial...
    Not to mention MERB, TER, photographers, etc. It's an interesting point. You could also argue Montreal hotels that knowingly allow SPs to see guests live off the avails. The potential prosecutions are endless.

    By the ways, a few years ago the owners of TBD, another escort review Board, were criminally prosecuted and tried under a Florida state law that is somewhat similar to the Canadian "living off the avails" law. This prosecution occurred in Tampa, Florida. The Florida law prohibited the promotion and facilitation of prostitution. The owners of TBD were acquitted due to federal constitutional defenses because all they were promoting was FREE SPEECH that is protected under the 1st amendment to the US constitution.
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    Its illegal but...

    See the website which is well researched about legality of prostitution in Canada.

    http://www.sexwork.com/montreal/law.html

    So basically running an escort agency is illegal because it is living off the avails of prostitution. What is interesting is the speculation that an agency could possible avoid prosecution by having a fixed or flat fee they charge the SP for marketing and booking services instead of taking a percentage of their earnings. I suppose that one could even argue that when John, Martin and so on post the explicit services of their "clients" (the SP), that this is just advertising they perform on behalf of the SP. You need to remember that outcall independent prostitution is legal in Canada since solicitation is legal when performed in private . For agencies, this whole issue is also reinforced by the fact the the SP collects the money and only gives a cut to the driver/agency owner which could be interpreted as marketing and booking services. So how is this different from newspapers, websites, phone services that are also knowingly providing marketing and booking services for escorts and may even blatantly advertise sexual services. Given past rulings from the Canadian Supreme court in this area, that may not be such a stretch of an interpretation.

    Of course, I wouldn't open an agency based on this as its just my wild speculation. From what I hear, agency owners have bigger issues than being busted - like trying to keep their harem of primadonnas intact for more than 24 hours
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    Quote Originally Posted by Techman
    BM, I never said that LE couldn't build a case against any particular agency. The question was asked if agencies are illegal and as I said, agencies are 'technically' legal. If LE really wanted they could bust most of the agencies in town as well as anyone who posts a review on the board, assuming they could trace the handle. In fact all it would really take is for LE to register a handle, start posting on the board to build a bit of trust with the other members and then show up at a HDLM party to get visual id's of the members who attend. Nothing complicated. But as I posted...

    But as far as the services that the agencies offer through their websites, ads in the newspapers and Yellow Pages, agencies are legal businesses.
    what if u live in the usa, u can be prosecuted in canada can you? plus i would never go to those parties and show my face. But wait this raises the question of, is it illegal to use a prostitute through an escort agency? I thought only street prostitutes were illegal. IN canada, i thought independent prostitution is legal and you are not living off the avails of anyone.
    Last edited by robertpal; 04-21-2007 at 12:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robertpal
    what if u live in the usa, u can be prosecuted in canada can you? plus i would never go to those parties and show my face. But wait this raises the question of, is it illegal to use a prostitute through an escort agency? I thought only street prostitutes were illegal. IN canada, i thought independent prostitution is legal and you are not living off the avails of anyone.
    I don't know about if its illegal to use a prostitute through an agency but I would guess no as an independent prostitution is legal in Canada as long as there is no public solicitation. The problem is for the owner of the agency who is living off the avails of prostitution.

    As others have pointed out here, I think LE and politicians don't see this as a priority to enforce except of course regarding minors, in which case other laws apply. I also think that it is more difficult to enforce this law here given that independent prostitution is not illegal. LE would have develop evidence that the girls are paying a cut of their fees to the agency owner for sexual services. The way SP operate today, most services are for fixed fee (and collected by the SP) so how can LE prove that any sexual services provided were provided for a fee - the web site says $160/hr for companionship!!! At minimum, the SPs would also have to testify against the owner, which is not likely to happen. Even then the owner could point to the disclaimer on his site and say what happens between the SP and client is none of his business. Plus LE would likely need to get the client to corroborate the SP's claim she was paid for sexual services. But since independent prostitution is not illegal, how does LE get this evidence in the first place??
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    obviously this site traced to ip addresses could be severe prosecution against agency owners. I mean most of the agencie owners list services provided, answer questions, etc. i mean they can always say they are speaking for the sp in her independent interests and just collecting a fee for companionship so it is very grey and diffcult to prove and easy to get out of! not so in the usa. did u hear about the jewish guy who got 18 months to 3 years and that he faced up to 15 years and his top working girls faces the same and will probably get some prison time. Hmmm.!

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    I would agree its much tougher in the US because in general prostitution is illegal. This makes it easier to build a case against someone since you can arrest someone for prostitution in a hotel room if there is good reason to believe that is happening. However, even in the US, its a lot of work to prosecute an agency owner since the prostitution isn't happening out in the open like with SWs pimps. You have to catch someone in the act or else have a pretty strong series of witnesses, who will be reluctant to testify unless they are also being charged.

    As for getting the IP address, doesn't really matter since LE can find agency owners pretty easy if they want to - at least here in Mtl- cell phone numbers are widely known. Even if they wrote that info about sexual services on a web site, they have to prove money was transfered from the SP to the owner and that the money was received in exchange for sexual services. While these are not impossible to prove, it will be difficult and probably not worth the trouble.

    So what do the cops do as I've heard - they hang around the well-known outcall hotels and try to catch drivers picking up SPs - why? - not sure but I've heard they try hassle for no taxi permit. I guess they figure it will discourage the overall industry. Actually, I think they want to keep the gangs from moving in on this business. Just a theory though...
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