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    outcall: indie or agency?

    Greetings everyone--great forums here. I've got a couple basic questions about the Montreal scene. I've hobbied in many major US cities (Las Vegas, LA, Boston, NY, etc) and other Canadian cities (Toronto, Vancouver, Calgary), but never Montreal. In the US, hobbyists definitely prefer independent providers; agencies in the US tend to be low-quality and risky, while the better indies often have excellent reputations that can last for many years. No smart hobbyist going to Las Vegas would ever use an agency. But it seems that in Montreal--perhaps because of a different legal or cultural environment--agencies are very popular. I can see from this board that many of the leading agencies are very careful with their service and work hard to please their clients. I can see some major advantages to agencies, including convenience, price, flexibility, and variety. Still, there are inevitable disadvantages: girls move around and often don't think in terms of a long-term career. They don't have as much invested in the meeting as an independent might. (There are disadvantages to independents as well: the cost, the screening, the multi-day email contacts, etc.) So here are my questions: is there an excellent group of independent providers in Montreal with good reputations? I've seen a few names, maybe 5-10 that come up, and i've seen at least one website (Montrealescorts, i think), but nothing to compare to Vegas or LA. Or is it the case that the agencies are so good here that it's not worth going the independent route? If I lived in Montreal, I would definitely go with the agencies; but I have two nights coming up and want the best. Here: if you had two nights in Montreal and money was not an issue, would you set up a multi-hour meeting with an indie or rely on an agency? I can tell from reviews which agencies are especially reliable; I'm certainly interested in recommendations for excellent independents... (And I'm not asking for your feelings about "value"--about whether a provider is ever worth $500/hr, etc. My question is about the quality of the provider, not the cost, which in this case is irrelevant to me...)
    in any case, i'm looking forward to the trip!
    thanks so much!

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    (And I'm not asking for your feelings about "value"--about whether a provider is ever worth $500/hr, etc. My question is about the quality of the provider, not the cost, which in this case is irrelevant to me...)
    Let me tell you what some of the guys here will tell you straight out... <in a huffy voice> it's guys like you that are willing to pay that are driving up the rates in Montreal <end of huffy voice> (btw - I say hogwash to that)

    Now to answer the rest of your post. I am not the biggest fan of agencies, however, that said, you'll have to assess what you would like to get out of your experience in Montreal. Sure you could spend two nights with 2 out of this world indies, but then why come to Montreal for that? You can find great indies all over the place. The allure of Montreal, overtop of the price here, is the sheer variety of hot, sexy, willing, ladies of all ages (though predominantly young) who are open minded.

    You cannot say you have truly experienced Montreal until you have tapped into the agency side of things. Maybe dedicate one night to an agency and the other to an indy... one fast pasted evening and one slow down and relax... that is how I would do it...

    My 2 pennies

    Anik
    Last edited by Just-ass-weet; 08-18-2007 at 11:30 PM.

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    As someone who use a wide range of indies and agencies to cater my SP cravings, here are my views with respect to your various questions:

    Quote Originally Posted by talkinghead
    is there an excellent group of independent providers in Montreal with good reputations?
    The French Kiss Society (FKS) is probably one of the most established group of independent providers in Montreal. I've used extensively their services in 2005-2006. Besides FKS indies who maintain their own websites and manage their contacts and schedules by themselves, they also have a few categories of "semi-independent" SPs that you book through FKS Management very much like an agency. There are pros and cons with this organization I don't want to get into here. I haven't used their services since last fall, for various reasons, and though they have lost many of their most prominent figures over the last year, a few of my ATFs are still available there.

    There are two new groups of indies on the block, Indie's (Judy's) Secrets and the French Connection, that I've not used yet. Both have a collection of well-known SPs (some I've seen through other agencies or as stand-alone indies) and seem reliable based on the available reports.

    Forget about the "Montreal Independent Network" who maintains a banner on this forum, this is bait and switch. Beware also of montrealescort.com listings...stick with the group of SPs with certified photos. There are also a lot of B&S ads on that site.

    Quote Originally Posted by talkinghead
    is it the case that the agencies are so good here that it's not worth going the independent route? If I lived in Montreal, I would definitely go with the agencies; but I have two nights coming up and want the best. if you had two nights in Montreal and money was not an issue, would you set up a multi-hour meeting with an indie or rely on an agency?
    As you mentioned, there are advantages and disadvantages to indies and agencies.

    Indies can be hard to contact and book. You can have a last minute problem even with the most reliable ones (I can attest to that). I'm a local, so if I need to reschedule, this is not a big deal. If you're a visitor, you can end up dry with no interesting options. A group of indies can sometime provide a last minute substitute but this may not be who you would be looking for.

    As for agencies, most unfortunately don't handle well advance bookings. In most cases, forget the idea of seeing someone in particular a specific day. She'll either not be available or, if she's popular, she'll be fully booked. With most agencies like Devilish and XXXtase, it's call-to-see-who's-available-today-and-hope-for-the-best. You can be lucky, but even if you draw an extensive wish list from an agency's lineup, there's a high risk you'll have to settle with the booker's recommendation from the daily menu but it's generally not the best option.

    There are only a few agencies who can handle advance booking reliably, such Eleganza, Satin Dreamz/Montreal Sex City and Montreal Secret Affairs from my personal experience. This may a good option, if you find SPs to your liking within those agencies, as you'll be able to book in advance and will likely see the lady of your choice but still will have substitutes available if there is a last minute issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by talkinghead
    I'm certainly interested in recommendations for excellent independents... (And I'm not asking for your feelings about "value"--about whether a provider is ever worth $500/hr, etc. My question is about the quality of the provider, not the cost, which in this case is irrelevant to me...)
    I know many but unless you state your preferences, I'll refrain from trowing names who reflects only my own's. Feel free to send me a PM if you want to discuss about specific indies...

    Good luck in any event!
    Lion Heart
    Last edited by Lion Heart; 08-20-2007 at 10:38 AM.

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    My preference is indies.

    Indys are not in the hurry.

    The service is more intimate.

    Agency ladies are on the clock.

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    thank you all very much. this is a great forum for getting advice and sharing information. Your input has given me an excellent insight into the Montreal scene, both the many positives and the few inevitable drawbacks. I'll be sure to post reviews.
    again, much appreciated!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontenak
    Indys are not in the hurry.

    The service is more intimate.

    Agency ladies are on the clock.
    I prefer indies for the same reason however, I think that it depends on the particular indie since I have met some incall/outcall indies who had an appointment scheduled right after meeting me and had to leave immediately or had me leave immediately in order to see the next person. What this means is that they would either have me shower 15-20 minutes before the end of the appointment so that I could leave before her next client showed up or she would shower 15-20 minutes before the end of the appointment so that she could leave in time to meet her next client.

    Agency girls are more likely to be clock watchers just because the agency normally books back-to-back appointments with the necessary travel time in between.

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    I hear everything you guys are saying. I started hobbying in the US before the age of the internet, when agencies were pretty much the only choice. You checked into a hotel and started scanning the yellow pages, playing sherlock holmes, trying to find a clue in every ad, something that would lead you to a happy ending. Today we have the good old days, with both the rise of indies and of review sites.
    In the US, as you all know, agencies are still very unreliable, not only more likely to be bait/switch, but worse: LE. So the dilemma in Montreal--indie or agency--is a nice one in that I feel pretty confident that the major agencies will deliver girls who are reasonably close to their pictures and usually willing to do a satisfactory job, if not GFE and eroticism, for an incredible price. If I end up using an agency, I'll keep my expectations in check; and it sounds like, with a little research and luck, it could be first-rate. And as a backup (if the indie is a no-show--this has happened to me a number of times), the agencies offer an incredible net to fall into.
    As the old chuck berry song goes, 'hail, hail, Montreal!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazingerz
    ...The only advantage of the agency is for the booking. It is more easier because the women only have to occupied to give a good service, the booking is the job of its agency...
    I've hobbies many years, Europe, the US and also Canada, although this will be my first trip to Montreal. For me, agencies are NOT simply for bookings. I look to them for advise; I tell them what I'm looking for and their added value should be to give me the closest match. Bookings??? Any good driver can book a car load of girls... that's not the added value of a good agency.

    I don't point-blank ask ANY woman what services she provides... so what should I do with an agency that simply tells me to go look at their website? TG for MERB!
    Servus the Ogre loves to spoon after he he forks!
    I live in a "fantasy world" with a very creative, perverted and imaginary mind. This does not imply or prove that I live out what I say, think or write.

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