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Well...It looks like Mr. Pettitte doesn't want to pitch for the Yankees this upcoming season.

Pettitte rejects 16M

Meanwhile, it appears that the Sox and the best post season pitcher of all time Curt Schilling arethisclose to agreeing on a 1 year incentive laden deal.

Who's going to pay ARod his $35M/year? Wouldn't it be nice to see all the times tell ARod to go fuck himself?

Let's discuss this upcoming off season here.
 

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Special K said:
Well...It looks like Mr. Pettitte doesn't want to pitch for the Yankees this upcoming season.
Well, would you, considering the state of disarray the franchise is in, with over $1.3 billion wasted since their last achievement? Looks like a frustrating winter for our fucking moron® friend.

Looks like a boring winter for the Sox. Assuming the Schilling deal is done today, and with progress being made on the Lowell re-signing, the Sox really only need to piece in a few bullpen slots and backups at catcher and outfield. (I'm all for signing Bobby Kielty or even bringing free agent Trot back as a backup.) Beyond that, all the Sox have on the calendar is selling a few more ads in the ballpark and putting a couple hundred seats on top of the Citgo sign.

There appears to be a ton of interest in Coco, given his inexpensive contract and his Rawlings® Gold Glove® skills in center.
 

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Will the Red Sox repeat?

No fucking way!!!

Way too tough to repeat championships in sports, Girardi and the boys will take it this year, Joba Chamberlain, Phillip Hughes, Ian Kennedy will be coming into 2008 with MLB experience and add to the fact that the Yankees are always active in free agency, a trade for Santana would be icing on the cake, two bits says that he's a Yankee at some point next year.:)
 

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Joe.t said:
Way too tough to repeat championships in sports, Girardi and the boys will take it this year, Joba Chamberlain, Phillip Hughes, Ian Kennedy will be coming into 2008 with MLB experience and add to the fact that the Yankees are always active in free agency, a trade for Santana would be icing on the cake, two bits says that he's a Yankee at some point next year.:)
Hello Joe.t,

Are you awake when you write this? Only Chamberlain has proven he is a winner. You have no improvement at the pitching positions. You may even lose Pettitte. A-Slob may be gone, the Yankers say they won't even talk to him. Posada may be gone soon. Damon may be traded for who knows. And the way Rivera pitches now, possibly signing him isn't exactly a good thing. Things are getting worse for the Steinboner boys not better. If you think there is anything certain at this time about "Girardi and the boys" taking it next year, you must be writing while seriously influenced by some sort of chemicals...medical or recreational.

perplexed,

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Joe.t said:
Joba Chamberlain, Phillip Hughes, Ian Kennedy will be coming into 2008 with very little MLB experience and add to the fact that the Yankees are always active in free agency, a trade for Santana would be icing on the cake, two bits says that he's a Yankee at some point next year.:)
Joe, you lovable fucking moron, you left out a couple of words. I've taken the liberty of adding them, bold so you don't miss them.

And this just in, the Sox and Schilling have reached agreement on an $8 M deal for next year, a bargain considering how well he pitched last year, with another 3 wins in the post-season.
 

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Hello all,

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7414738

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) - Curt Schilling and the Boston Red Sox reached a preliminary agreement on an $8 million, one-year contract that will allow the star right-hander to return next season to the World Series champions.

The agreement provides for him to make an additional $5 million in bonuses and match his 2007 salary. The deal is subject to him passing a physical, contains $3 million in performance bonuses based on innings pitched and $2 million based on weight clauses, a person familiar with the negotiations said Tuesday, speaking to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because the team had not yet made an announcement.

"Talks with the Red Sox are moving," Schilling said in a posting on his Web site early Tuesday. "Theo and I have spoken multiple times daily over the past week and given the current situation, I am feeling very confident that we will be able to finalize a one-year contract to allow us a chance to finish our career as members of the Red Sox organization. There are some things to iron out and details that must be finalized for both sides, but barring something unforeseen or outrageously odd happening, I feel very comfortable that I will finish my career here."

Not bad. Certainly far better than $28,000,000 for a consistent playoff choker.

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Will the Red Sox repeat?

No fucking way!!!

Way too tough to repeat championships in sports,...
Hey Josey,

Are you still waiting for the Rockies to take it in 6...bwahahahahahahaha! It's over you know. I saw the Red Sox victory parade in Boston...yes...yes...yes!

Toodles,

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rumpleforeskiin said:
And this just in, the Sox and Schilling have reached agreement on an $8 M deal for next year, a bargain considering how well he pitched last year, with another 3 wins in the post-season.
Thats fantastic news rumples, the old geezer will be another year older in a declining career so the signing should make him good for say 7 wins at the most next year if he stays healthy.:rolleyes:
 

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Thats fantastic news rumples, the old geezer will be another year older in a declining career so the signing should make him good for say 7 wins at the most next year if he stays healthy.:rolleyes:
Schilling won three games in the post-season this year; the Yankees won one.:D

One Yankee starting pitcher had a better ERA than Schilling this year.

One regular poster in the baseball thread is a fucking moron.
 

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Neither Ichiro or Tori Hunter were replaced by a combination of a rookie and Willie Mo Pena.

Not sure what you're referring to here. As for Youkilis, it's no doubt he earned his GG this year.
 

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Not sure what you're referring to here. As for Youkilis, it's no doubt he earned his GG this year.

Pena and Ellsbury plus Drew played the equivalent of 24+ games in centerfield for Boston creating a perception that Crisp in the eyes of the Red Sox was not in the same class as Ichiro and Hunter. So why would voters pick Crisp when it is obvious that Boston felt that Crisp could be replaced?
 

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Not sure what you're referring to here. As for Youkilis, it's no doubt he earned his GG this year.
Simply put, the man doesn't know what he's talking about, K. It's the same old story: once a guy gets a Rawlings® Gold Glove®, they give it to him every year until he's either dead or in a wheel chair.

Coco earned it, playing 144 fabulous games in center field. To suggest they didn't give it to Coco because "the Sox felt he could be replaced" is foolishness beyond even Joe. First, if the Sox felt he could be replaced, it certainly had nothing to do with his glove. Second, the few games he missed were because of injuries incurred in the act of diving for balls, which, by the way, he caught. And, third, the voting for the Rawlings® Gold Glove® was completed before the post-season began, a simple fact beyond Mr. Pontificator's knowledge.

On another note, it seems that Derek "Past a Diving" Jeter's defense, having gone from mediocre back to horrible was just too much for the GG® voters to take so it was given to the man who should be the Red Sox' shortstop.
 

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rumpleforeskiin said:
Simply put, the man doesn't know what he's talking about, K. It's the same old story: once a guy gets a Rawlings® Gold Glove®, they give it to him every year until he's either dead or in a wheel chair.

Coco earned it, playing 144 fabulous games in center field. To suggest they didn't give it to Coco because "the Sox felt he could be replaced" is foolishness beyond even Joe. First, if the Sox felt he could be replaced, it certainly had nothing to do with his glove. Second, the few games he missed were because of injuries incurred in the act of diving for balls, which, by the way, he caught. And, third, the voting for the Rawlings® Gold Glove® was completed before the post-season began, a simple fact beyond Mr. Pontificator's knowledge.

On another note, it seems that Derek "Past a Diving" Jeter's defense, having gone from mediocre back to horrible was just too much for the GG® voters to take so it was given to the man who should be the Red Sox' shortstop.

Rumples,

I previously explained to another of your pseudo experts how the seasonal awards are determined so your usual nonsense and drivel further detracts from your limited knowledge.

The three outfield GG Awards in the AL went to centerfielders - Ichiro,Hunter and Sizemore - major flaw in the process. Effectively this put Crisp no higher than fourth in the eyes of the those that count.

Nice to see you admit that Lugo is a major downgrade at shortstop.
 

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eastender said:
The three outfield GG Awards in the AL went to centerfielders - Ichiro,Hunter and Sizemore - major flaw in the process. Effectively this put Crisp no higher than fourth in the eyes of the those that count.
Of all the post-season awards, there is none more routinely mis-awarded than the Rawlings® Gold Glove®. According to Baseball Prospectus, when compared with an average defender, these centerfielders saved their teams the following number of runs this season:
Crisp 28
Melky Cabrera 14
Ichiro 14
Hunter 1
Sizemore -7.

Crisp was a no brainer Gold Glove. Suzuki not a bad choice. The awards to Hunter, now an average fielder, and Sizemore, a considerably worse than average fielder, were mis-awarded. In fact, despite the fact that Crisp has had two consecutive lousy seasons at the plate, suitors are lining up in droves to acquire him from the Sox. He'll net either a couple of quality prospects or a top notch middle reliever.
 

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rumpleforeskiin said:
Of all the post-season awards, there is none more routinely mis-awarded than the Rawlings® Gold Glove®. According to Baseball Prospectus, when compared with an average defender, these centerfielders saved their teams the following number of runs this season:
Crisp 28
Melky Cabrera 14
Ichiro 14
Hunter 1
Sizemore -7.

Crisp was a no brainer Gold Glove. Suzuki not a bad choice. The awards to Hunter, now an average fielder, and Sizemore, a considerably worse than average fielder, were mis-awarded. In fact, despite the fact that Crisp has had two consecutive lousy seasons at the plate, suitors are lining up in droves to acquire him from the Sox. He'll net either a couple of quality prospects or a top notch middle reliever.

Rumples,

No debate about the voting for the GG Awards. Too often the measure is being better than the previous winner.Poor method.

Thank you for making my previous point about the Yankees and Red Sox lacking team speed in the outfield. Centerfielders save runs and boost stats when the corner outfielders cannot get to balls that corner outfielders with MLB speed should handle.

Also not that I did not include Sizemore in my initial point.Added him to display the flaw in a system that names three centerfielders instead of one for each outfield position.

Finally you made my point that the Red Sox view Crisp as disposable by making the trade proposals that you did.
 

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eastender said:
Thank you for making my previous point about the Yankees and Red Sox lacking team speed in the outfield. Centerfielders save runs and boost stats when the corner outfielders cannot get to balls that corner outfielders with MLB speed should handle.
Any ball that a centerfielder can handle is his. Both the Yankees and Sox have a slow guy in left (Ramirez and Matsui) and a guy with somewhat better than average speed in right (Abreu and Drew.)

eastender said:
Finally you made my point that the Red Sox view Crisp as disposable by making the trade proposals that you did.
Not your point. Everybody's point. Crisp lost his job permanently to the dynamic Ellsbury during the ALCS. They're not likely to keep a $5 M backup outfielder.
 
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