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    Hal's Goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by UNDFTD
    Did they ask for them to be removed?

    If so, that is somewhat callow of the Mods (or Fred), no? Especially considering how much you've contributed to this board and all the positive testements by members to your review/score sheet. You'd think we were on Terb...

    Hopefully this wasn't the case.
    Just to make a clarification: Hal was not asked to modify the content of his posts or to remove any of his scores or ratings. This decision was his.

    As for the removal of links promoting his web site, that is standard board policy and applies to all members equally.

    M8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mod 8
    Just to make a clarification: Hal was not asked to modify the content of his posts or to remove any of his scores or ratings. This decision was his.

    M8
    I did not follow all the debate about this, and I am not taking sides either, but I just want to say that as a user that I think the loss of Hal's scores and ratings is a big loss for MERB. It had become a quick reference used by many of us, easy to navigate, etc. It is a shame that both parties could not reach an agreement.

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    Different business models

    Hal,

    You have made it clear that he wants to run an advertiser-sponsered review web site. Our regular members don't often discuss traffic, content, or ad dollars, nor do they want a reward for posting here.

    In this forum, the management collects ad revenue and the members contribute and share information amongst themselves, and are able to debate and discuss in a reasonably uncensored manner, within our rules and guidelines. The moderators, who do not profit from the board, make the day-to-day decisions about the rules.

    In an advertiser-sponsored blog, one person collects money from some of those he reviews. This is against MERB principles, in that we believe there should be no exchange of money to those who post reviews. To our view, if it is a discount for a review, or a fee to place a banner, it is compensation, and taints the perception of the review. Even if the review was completely honest, it is unreasonable to expect the person being reviewed would not know who you are (since the agency is sending you a monthly payment), and give you a stellar performance you could write about. This is why restaurant reviewers are anonymous.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hal
    ...being a member, and being told that I can give but not take, is a slap in my face.
    The purpose of this board is to be a consolidated place for members to post and read their experiences and ask questions, not to drive traffic to each member's individual web site, for their profit. You have given, and you have probably taken by reading other member's reviews. That's within our rules. Driving our member base and traffic to your site without permission is not.

    Good luck,
    M4

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    May be the following option should be added to the poll:

    - Hal takes compensations from SPs/Agencies to write bias reviews

    Personally I will take all Hal reviews with a huge grain of salt.

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    o our view, if it is a discount for a review, or a fee to place a banner, it is compensation, and taints the perception of the review. Even if the review was completely honest, it is unreasonable to expect the person being reviewed would not know who you are (since the agency is sending you a monthly payment), and give you a stellar performance you could write about.
    It is called conflict of interest in my book.

    The same applies to doctors who shouldn't get free trips because they prescribe more of a certain drug or the pharmacist who will advise a specific generic or the original drug instead of an alternative to get his free be too.

    It is always a loss when a prolific reviewer departs but the reasons are clear, make good business sense.

    I think if merb would have really wanted to be unreasonable they would have just deleted this thread. In fact it is still an indirect way to publicize an other web site

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    Goodbye

    For now...

    I will no longer be responding to messages on the board and have removed my spreadsheet.



    Good luck, its been really good.

    Hal
    Last edited by Mod 4; 11-22-2007 at 06:19 PM.
    HAL ... you know the one

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    Hal, I've really enjoyed your reviews.
    You're being kind of vague about whether you will return or why you "can't stay" but I guess you can't be too blatant about your site here on MERB. Anyway good luck and let me remind you that you may have attained 100 K spent, but that's only 90 or so thousand CDN!

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    You know this is starting to bum me out. We lost a good poster in Hal and he then is allowed to delete all his helpful posts. Same thing happened when we lost Oliver. I wish the mods would not allow posts to be deleted. I don't get why, and it ruins the board for everyone. This board has helped me save a lot of money by knowing who to choose and who not to choose in my Monteal trips, and Hal and Oliver are two of the main helpers I have used. I would never think to delete my posts becauase others have written me asking me for help, and thanking me for some of my posts. I would like to see the mods not allow people to delete posts. Just my opinion.

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    Deleting posts...

    This is the way the board has been set up by the administrator. Mods do not have the ability to change this and it has always been board policy to allow Merb members to edit or delete their posts at any time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Legend
    I wish the mods would not allow posts to be deleted. I don't get why, and it ruins the board for everyone.
    Correct, and the posters you mentioned didn't give a rat's ass about you or anyone else when they deleted their posts. They post not to share, but rather they post in order to boost their ego (presumably due to it being badly in need of a boost). When that ego is brought down to size by whatever board they are posting on, the response is a childish tantrum, flaming and deletion of the posts. The fact that there is a loss of information to you or anyone else is something they don't give two shits about, so please stop deifying these selfish posters. If they really wanted to share their info, their posts would still be up for all to see. They are not up for all to see, so we can all see these posters for what they really are, which is childish and selfish and egotistical, and certainly not giving a rat's ass about you or anyone else on this Board.

    By the ways, I agree with you that posts should not be allowed to be deleted. Most other Boards have this policy.

    The proper way to express one's disagreement with Board management is to criticize it on the Board. And move on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoingittoDeath
    Agreed, 100% - what's the point of posting and then removing all trace of one's past presence? I can't think of any reason why anyone should need to do this.
    There have been a few posters who have done this, one on multiple occasions, and I already told you why - childishness, selfishness, egomania (out of control and for no good reason). It's a huge myth that these posters posted to share info. They posted to stroke their own egos. It's pointless to debate the quality of the information they provided since the information has been deleted, but the fact that the information is not here should be evidence to all that their agenda on the Boards was NOT to share legit info with others.

    Having said all of that, there is one legitimate reason for deleting posts, and that is protection of one's personal privacy. That was not the reason, however, why Oliver Kloseoff deleted his posts on multiple occasions, and I am pretty sure it is not why Hal deleted his posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stardust
    Hal left for the same reason, board censorship of information.
    Stardust,

    Board censorship of information had nothing to do with it. If you want to revise your statement to read "censorship of free advertising", I'll agree with you.

    I have restored a few of the posts that were lost when Hal deleted his thread, that explain the events leading to Hal's departure, all of which was his choice. You can read them above.

    M4

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    Quote Originally Posted by stardust
    EB, although you may think the big guy deleted his posts out of childess reasons, I can tell you that it had nothing to do with it. He had a fall out with board management and deleted his posts. He then used the blue board to post his "adventures". Hal left for the same reason, board censorship of information. Edited M4
    Thanks,
    I had fallouts with Board management on many occasions and never deleted my posts because of them (I did delete posts for privacy reasons). I was suspended by Board management for properly criticizing other members and did not delete my posts. It is pure myth that either of these posters had a valid reason to delete their posts. I will say it again, CHILDISHNESS, SELFISHNESS, EGOMANIA, were the reasons they deleted their posts, and it happened on more than one occasion and on more than one board. It's not even a point that needs to be argued because the actions speak for themselves. Your reasoning makes no sense, Stardust - a Board is perceived to sponsor censorship, so what you do in response is CENSOR your own posts and deprive other members of information (or, in Oliver's case, alleged information)? Come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let's stop the bullshit and call a spade a spade, Stardust. It's called "flunky logic", and while we could accept hearing that from Mr. K, I am really surprised you, even as his erstwhile mouthpiece, would sink to that level of nonsensical reasoning.

    Oliver Kloseoff may have had some contributory posts in the street thread but he also posted a lot of bullshit and/or pure speculation on things he did not have the facts on, posted repeatedly in a manner that degraded women, and if there was even a mild criticism of any of his postings, he would respond with flaming, tantrums, and occasionally deletion of the thread (also happened on the other Board). In at least one case a thread was properly deleted by him, but only because it made him look foolish and exposed that some posts of his that were pure, 100% bullshit. MADE UP. There are a lot of people who would very strongly object to him posting on this Board, but those people would never say so publicly because they fear his crude, childish flames. In fact the vast majority of senior posters I have spoken to and at least two members of blue board management have told me the same things in private.

    I am not in any way defending MERB, am not a part of this Board's management and never have been, but any perceived "censorship" or other criticism of the way a Board is run should not be responded to with a dramatic and egotistical deleting of posts. You don't like the way a Board is run, LEAVE, don't cry. You don't see me posting on the Blue Board do you? Stardust did you check lately to see how many posts I have on the Blue Board? I am probably in the top 5 posters there despite not having posted there in probably 6 months. I never deleted anything, I just left, no pomp or ceremony. I have also left MERB for periods but never felt the need to give a dramatic statement as to why, delete my posts or whatever. Those are the things that Board egomaniacs do. If the size of anyone's ego is based on their status on a particular Board than I say that is a very sad person.
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    EagerBeaver
    05-04-2007, 02:58 PM
    SK,

    I believe there was one mass deletion of my posts by Fred Zed, not the Mods, which was for personal privacy reasons after some of my personal information was given out by an agency owner without my permission and some posters notified me of this by PM. It was not an Oliver Kloseoff-type crybaby deletion of posts, it was for privacy reasons that I believed were necessary at that time (I believe this occurred in 2004). Maybe it was an overreaction in hindsight, but please note that I recreated a lot of the posts that were lost like "The New Montreal Restaurant Thread."

    You are correct that the real number of posts is probably between 6,000 and 8,000. Please also note that I was registered back in May of 2003, not July of 2003, but does any of this really matter in the big scheme of things?


    Special K
    05-04-2007, 03:06 PM
    SK,

    The Mods, Fred Zed, what`s the difference??? If memory serves me correct though, I`m quite positive it was more than just once you had an overreaction of this type accompanied by a mass deletion.


    EagerBeaver
    05-04-2007, 03:43 PM
    SK,

    I am not so sure it was an overreaction based on what I had written in some of those deleted posts in light of the current controversy with the DC Madam, but in any event, who fucking cares? That was then and this is now. I figured out a few things since that time, and have not deleted any posts lately.

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    Ziggy,

    I previously stated in my prior post in this thread that I have deleted posts for privacy reasons. What is missing from the exchange you quoted is that Special K had complained about my deletion of the original "Montreal Restaurant Thread". I then created a "New Montreal Restaurant Thread", which restored some of the deleted posts, changing dates and other information but preserving the substance.

    There was also a mass deletion of my posts by Fred Zed in 2003 due to a glitch in my account. I could not log in, and Fred said that we had to delete the account and the posts and start a new account. I did not want those posts deleted, but I had no choice.

    When I did delete the posts for privacy reasons, I apologized to Special K and the Board, and restored what was valuable. I did not restore a lot of useless or dated posts or, for example, reviews of women who were no longer in the business.

    I am not sure why you posted that exchange because I already said in this thread that deleting posts for privacy reasons was acceptable in my mind. That is not what is at issue here.
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