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    Thanks, R_G, for opening this thread. The report shows once more that there is a problematic side to prostitution that can't just be ignored
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGuy
    Thanks a lot,

    I just started watching and so far it fits perfectly to what I witnessed. I think everybody pretending to be interested in helping or simply understand SPs should watch this. I don't pretend that all SPs are the same, of course there are exceptions, but we have to recognize that a many SPs are not "happy campers"
    Hello LeGuy,

    "Not happy campers"...hmmm...well...I just watched the first two episodes. While these first parts of the expose are ostensibly about the harsh and tragic lives of prostitutes, I can't help the gnawing feeling of being exposed myself. No I am no charactering hobbyists as victimizers, But, I remember a lunch with several other hobbyists where we gave advice to a newby as to whether or not he should start hobbying. When what was said to him is summed up we sounded like we were basically as compelled to this lifestyle as the ladies with our own regrets and sad compulsions...but certainly without the harshest consequences the ladies face...in most cases. Oh yeah, some guys can just enjoy it. I don't think it's that simple for most. But enough of the hobbyists. It's a very depressing film to watch and see so vividly what the women go through; such a damn sight worse than any hobbyist. "Not happy campers"...well...there's a prize understatement.

    Somberly,

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGuy
    Korbel,

    I totally agree about having understated my description. Some people here seem to have an agenda I still don't understand. If I would have written what I thought you bet some people would started saying that they are happy doing this, and so on. I agree that some SPs are OK with their jobs but I also know that some SPs are the very predictable consequence of very sad events
    Hello LeGuy,

    Unlike that great guru of SP suffering, GG, it's obvious just given the differences of individual human tastes that not all SPs feel the same. I leave absolutes to those who want to play god. But surely the percentage of truly "happy hookers" is exceedly small.

    not god,

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    Hey if we are talking about sexually backward USA, then nothing surprises me. Legal prostitution like in Germany and Holland and Australia is so much better than uncontrolled prostitution. Of course criminal elements are going to take advantage of this in the USA ; The high end hookers in USA.. they are the ones taking advantage of the system charging thousands of dollars for a simple fuck (many such cases in news these days). Such high end american hookers would not fly any other place. Girls are also influenced by certain types of guys in thier teens from television movies and music world and don't realize the darker side of guys in these industried that comes with a lotta money (drugs, violence). On top of that media constantly bombards males and females with thier version of what "sexy" is without telling them how to be socially and culturally responsible sexually.

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    As for "happy hookers," well, I don't know. I must agree with Korbel that the percentage is probably pretty small. I would guess there might be a higher percentage of truly happy SPs in Canada than in the U.S., where there are severe attitudinal and legal issues for both SPs and clients.

    But it's in no way possible for those of us on this side to know. An SP who is good at her job comes to our room and acts as if she is having a good time. That is part of her job if she does it well, and if she does it well she will give the same impression no matter how offputting the client might be, whether it's a movie star or the vomiting fat guy Mr. Creosote from "The Meaning of Life."

    So who knows whether they are happy? Do they really know you after spending an hour or two with you? Are you the same with an SP as you are with a regular date, or with your wife, or with your co-workers? Would you like to see an SP who brought her real life into the hotel room with her?

    She is paid, in part, to seem happy to be there and happy with her job. Is she really? What I try to do as a client is to be respectful and kind, which to me is far more important than any delusional attempts I read about on this board where clients see how many times they can "make them come" (ha, ha).

    Can you tell if your mechanic likes his job? Of course you can't. Maybe he does, and maybe he doesn't. The best we can do is treat them well and hope that helps make up for some of the assholes they meet.

    Does your grocery clerk like her job just because she is smiling? Probably not, and she doesn't have to suck your cock after you check out. But pretending she likes it is part of the clerk's job, and one can only hope she doesn't spend an hour every day pondering whether to go to work or kill herself. I can only hope the same for the charming women I have met, and likewise for the clearly troubled few whom I have seen.

    The world of "hobbying" is an illusion and can't be considered anything else.
    We know even less about them than they know about us, guys. We're not being paid to perform while the hotel clock is ticking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azzaro
    Hey if we are talking about sexually backward USA, then nothing surprises me. Legal prostitution like in Germany and Holland and Australia is so much better than uncontrolled prostitution. Of course criminal elements are going to take advantage of this in the USA ; The high end hookers in USA.. they are the ones taking advantage of the system charging thousands of dollars for a simple fuck (many such cases in news these days). Such high end american hookers would not fly any other place. Girls are also influenced by certain types of guys in thier teens from television movies and music world and don't realize the darker side of guys in these industried that comes with a lotta money (drugs, violence). On top of that media constantly bombards males and females with thier version of what "sexy" is without telling them how to be socially and culturally responsible sexually.
    Hello Azzaro,

    Yet, just imagine the negative opportunities in a legalized prostitution system and the possibility of using a legalized system to cover for trafficking in sex slaves. Not that it can't happen anywhere, but can't you just see the slave masters drooling at the prospect of injecting his women, controlled by fear and various addictive influences to induce submission, under the umbrella of legalized business where the burden of law enforcement is not to prove there is an exchange of money for sex, but to prove whether the lady is forced into it. While the alleged explosion of sex slaves at the World Cup in Germany may have been heavily exaggerated, the reported growth is sex slave trafficking worldwide has been called the ultimate reselling industry where the same individual "product" can be sold endlessly. Now tell me why a legalized prostitution system wouldn't be a boon to this TERROR!

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/slaves/

    "How five women from the struggling countries of Eastern Europe were tricked into sexual slavery, beaten by traffickers and pimps, forced to work to turn a profit -- and finally escaped. Plus, a convicted Ukrainian sex trafficker talks about the multibillion dollar sex trade business, and why he sold an acquaintance for $1,000."

    Frightening,

    Korbel
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    Quote Originally Posted by bumfie
    As for "happy hookers," well, I don't know. I must agree with Korbel that the percentage is probably pretty small. I would guess there might be a higher percentage of truly happy SPs in Canada than in the U.S., where there are severe attitudinal and legal issues for both SPs and clients.

    But it's in no way possible for those of us on this side to know. An SP who is good at her job comes to our room and acts as if she is having a good time. That is part of her job if she does it well, and if she does it well she will give the same impression no matter how offputting the client might be, whether it's a movie star or the vomiting fat guy Mr. Creosote from "The Meaning of Life."

    So who knows whether they are happy? Do they really know you after spending an hour or two with you? Are you the same with an SP as you are with a regular date, or with your wife, or with your co-workers? Would you like to see an SP who brought her real life into the hotel room with her?

    She is paid, in part, to seem happy to be there and happy with her job. Is she really? What I try to do as a client is to be respectful and kind, which to me is far more important than any delusional attempts I read about on this board where clients see how many times they can "make them come" (ha, ha).

    Can you tell if your mechanic likes his job? Of course you can't. Maybe he does, and maybe he doesn't. The best we can do is treat them well and hope that helps make up for some of the assholes they meet.

    Does your grocery clerk like her job just because she is smiling? Probably not, and she doesn't have to suck your cock after you check out. But pretending she likes it is part of the clerk's job, and one can only hope she doesn't spend an hour every day pondering whether to go to work or kill herself. I can only hope the same for the charming women I have met, and likewise for the clearly troubled few whom I have seen.

    The world of "hobbying" is an illusion and can't be considered anything else.
    We know even less about them than they know about us, guys. We're not being paid to perform while the hotel clock is ticking.
    Hello Bumfie,

    This connection has been made over and over, and it has some sense to it. But, I doubt that any "regular job" is as intimately (physically and emotionally) invasive or as potentially degenrative as a more typical prostitution situation.

    Still, I think your point was the front people in any area put on that keeps outsiders from knowing the truth. Certainly, the act of the SP must be one of the most difficult to penetrate, especially since the client typically has no wish at all to break the illusion due to his lustful intent.

    Apples and oranges,

    Korbel
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    It is the exception, not the rule (about forced into prostitution) in Europe. It is very liberal sexually there compared withe USA. Former Easten european countries and women there were and are taken advantage of by local pimps there and americans alike (Most of the porn USA consumes, sometimes called porn nation in the rest of the world) is produced in eastern european countries for USA market. USA was supposed to ease the transition from communism to capitalism by educating eastern european countries and Russia; Instaead USA takes advantage of thier lack of expertise in capitalism by such things as porn production (50 billion dollar industry).

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    I can't deny that, Korbel. It is hard to compare prostitution to any other job, and as you point out any attempt to do so winds up being tortured, as mine did.

    As I said, we are not expected to blow the boss every hour, at least literally, and for that we can be thankful.

    I guess my bottom line is that the best we can do as long as we participate in this business is to treat the providers well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azzaro
    It is the exception, not the rule (about forced into prostitution) in Europe. It is very liberal sexually there compared withe USA. Former Easten european countries and women there were and are taken advantage of by local pimps there and americans alike (Most of the porn USA consumes, sometimes called porn nation in the rest of the world) is produced in eastern european countries for USA market. USA was supposed to ease the transition from communism to capitalism by educating eastern european countries and Russia; Instaead USA takes advantage of thier lack of expertise in capitalism by such things as porn production (50 billion dollar industry).
    Hello Azzaro,

    Not much disagreement with this general statement, but to imply it was the specific burden you cite of the US to accomplish this is wrong, even if some arrogant politcally over-zealous Americans have promoted such a thing. But I don't think the American sex industry has exploited Eastern Europe for porn any more than the sexually liberal mindset of the Western European industry would have (and has) otherwise or that anything would be different if the US did not exist.

    Truly,

    Korbel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Korbel
    Hello Azzaro,

    Not much disagreement with this general statement, but to imply it was the specific burden you cite of the US to accomplish this is wrong, even if some arrogant politcally over-zealous Americans have promoted such a thing. But I don't think the American sex industry has exploited Eastern Europe for porn any more than the sexually liberal mindset of the Western European industry would have (and has) otherwise or that anything would be different if the US did not exist.

    Truly,

    Korbel
    Everyone does thier part in western europe to help eastern european countries after the fall of communism. They DO NOT take a major advantage of the situation like americans are doing. Western Europeans bring tourist money to help them and employ and train them (like in germany, free education for all in the EU).USA does neither!.Thousands of women have fallen prey to sexual deviants money-hungry wolves from the USA by pushing in the porn industry and eventually prostitution (produced for the USA). The coercive techniques used are very subliminal and look legitimate since they are done by "americans-the heroes of freedom"..the biggest misquote of the century, now being realised slowly by Western and to some extent eastern europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azzaro
    Everyone does thier part in western europe to help eastern european countries after the fall of communism. They DO NOT take a major advantage of the situation like americans are doing. Western Europeans bring tourist money to help them and employ and train them (like in germany, free education for all in the EU).USA does neither!.Thousands of women have fallen prey to sexual deviants money-hungry wolves from the USA by pushing in the porn industry and eventually prostitution (produced for the USA). The coercive techniques used are very subliminal and look legitimate since they are done by "americans-the heroes of freedom"..the biggest misquote of the century, now being realised slowly by Western and to some extent eastern europe.
    lol Azzaro,

    Well, so your assertion is Europeans are motivationally and ethically clean while Americans are subtle parasites. You imply human nature and action in Europe does fall into the most common foibles and faults of all human character throughout history. This is the same people who descended from those who perpetuated incessant fratricidal wars for thousands of years culminating in two catastrophic World Wars and a Nazi terror that even processed humans for soap; and gave us such institutions as the a feudal system of God sanctified monarchs over the people as virtual slaves, the Inquisition and exported their high Christian ideals to nearly exterminate the early peoples of the Western Hemisphere in their lust for land, gold, and glory in the cause of "GOD!" What a stinking CROCK!!!!! Get off your ranch and stop walking behind the bull stuff because you are full of it. Really, your blatant anti-American myopia is now so obviously exposed it isn't worth exchanging with you. The real fault of Americans is they are no different from THEIR ANCESTORS...MOSTLY EUROPEANS.

    Too-da-loo buddy,

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    haha..to you too buddy. Why don't to stick to the thread and answer actual questions and discuss things rationaly on the given topic instead of bringing prehistoric stuff in it ( you might even be a prehistoric relic yourself to be not able to take a bit of insight into what goes on post communist era). You have food on your table and sleep good at night, but not east europeans and russians because of american rambings about Communist-evil empires . Reagan: "Bring down this wall." and Cuba which has 10 times better health care than the US. Arrogance will get you no where buddy...not in this world at this date and time. Ciao. Easten Europeans will turn against americans in the near future, take my word for it@!
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    Quote Originally Posted by azzaro
    haha..to you too buddy. Why don't to stick to the thread and answer actual question instead of bringing prehistoric stuff in it ( you might even be a prehistoric relic yourself to be not able to take a bit of insight into what goes on post communist era). You have food on your table and sleep god at night, but not east europeans and russians because of american rambings about Communist-evil empires . Reagan: Brind down this wall. and Cuba which has 10 times better health care than the US. Arrogance will get you now where buddy...not in this world at this date and time. Ciao. Easten Europeans will turn against americans in the near future, take my word for it@!
    Get it straight Azzaro,

    You are generalizing in stereotypes like a real hater. I could not stand any of the utter stinking festering crap you refer to in this post above. Screw freaking Ronald dipstick. Hated the asshole so damn much and all he said. So you wrote ignorantly when trying to characterize me. But I won't bother to ask where you are from. It is obvious you are just so much YOU...very sadly.

    bigot,

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