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    Bad Review Blackmail

    I've heard of this happening a few times, and I thought about it for a while trying to figure out a way to put a stop to it.

    It seems there are some sleazeballs here who threaten girls with bad reviews on MERB should they not hand out extra-special discounts, or provide services they aren't comfortable with. And, they promise will post a really good review if they receive special consideration.

    Of course, having the SP post about this here leaves things open to abuse on the other side, if someone knows she is getting a bad review, she might make a false claim about this happening. (In both cases this activity was reported to the MODs, who are apparently keeping on eye on the two jerks I know about trying these shenanigans).

    I've seen other SP discussion boards where they have a compiled star rating for girls, each member gets to vote once for a girl with his rating. I figure keeping track of the girls might be complicated, when they switch agencies and so on, but I'm wondering if a new forum couldn't be set up where we could vote, with a standardized kind of Title like

    Devilish - Sarah
    Devilish - Valerie
    Eleganza - Tiffany
    Montreal Hot Girls - Yo Mama
    Victoria's Secrets - Star Baby

    etc.

    Each being a separate post, with a poll with five simple choices, one start to five star.

    That would at least give us a score, and presumably one bad review wouldn't have an adverse affect across numerous good ones. Or vice versa, shilling would not raise a crappy score.

    If this seems like something people would want, I'd be willing to help start it up.
    Last edited by YouVantOption; 04-13-2008 at 02:36 PM.
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    C'est pas fou comme idée!

    Comme ça même ceux qui ne font pas de review, pourrait voter...

    Mais même ceux qui n'ont jamais rencontré la fille pourrait voter, c'est aussi ça le problème... J'en ai qui m'aime pas sur le forum... je m'attends pas à ce qu'il me donne une bonne côte. Mais il vont avoir droit à un vote seulement... à moins qu'il se crée d'autre compte... Plusieurs Handel!

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouVantOption
    I've heard of this happening a few times, and I thought about it for a while trying to figure out a way to put a stop to it.
    The reason that that you have heard of this is because you, yourself, have brought up MERB with the SPs that you see.

    Out of the dozens and dozens of SPs I have visited only one has mentioned MERB to be and I answered that I did not know what MERB was.
    And even this discussion about MERB came after perhaps five or ten repeats with her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxima
    Lately (on the other board) there was a case of an SP who is extremely sensitive to bad reviews (in the past many of her attacks were directed toward posters who wrote negative reviews about her) who started a rumor about review blackmail from a senior poster (who have had many credible reviews to his credit). She has never provided any proof. A review board should have both negative and positive reviews. Don't turn this into a campaign to eliminate negative reviews!
    I will turn the question around and ask you, how do you know that they were credible reviews, were is the proof and how do you know that she is not telling the truth?.

    By the way if its the "the senior poster with credible reviews" that I am thinking about he has been banned on both boards for harassment and was also caught on the other board using more than one handle which gives him 0 credibility in my books, I have been offered in the past by a agency owner to write a review in exchange for a discount which I refused.


    Quote Originally Posted by YouVantOption
    It seems there are some sleazeballs here who threaten girls with bad reviews on MERB should they not hand out extra-special discounts, or provide services they aren't comfortable with. And, they promise will post a really good review if they receive special consideration.
    Couldn't have said it better myself.
    Last edited by Joe.t; 04-13-2008 at 05:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe.t
    I will turn the question around and ask you, how do you know that they were credible reviews, were is the proof and how do you know that she is not telling the truth?.

    By the way if its the "the senior poster with credible reviews" that I am thinking about he has been banned on both boards for harassment and was also caught on the other board using more than one handle, I have been offered in the past by a agency owner to write a review in exchange for a discount which I refused, I am sure stuff like this happens all the time.
    Hello Joe.t,

    That's an excellent point. I have heard about one person many times from an owner, from SPs, and from other hobbysists all saying the same thing independent of each other over years. This person is said to pressure the ladies for various sex acts including bbfs, and pressure owners for freebies or discounts in lieu of reviews. As Joe.t indicated, his name has been absent from both boards for a long time and he is banned on at least one (merb) board that I have seen. Now I don't know if this lady was victimized by this guy or not. But let's not be too quick to attack her when if you are not aware of the real facts. People like the guy I described here are probably not as uncommon as we may think.

    Carefully,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxima
    Korbel, Please tell me was he banned because of his blackmail action or due to his out-of-line PM responses (to Joe.t and to the SP) to personal attacks? Please allow the presumption of innocence until Mods finish their investigation.
    Hello Maxima,

    I did not say anywhere that I was talking about the same guy as you or Joe.t. Since I don't know the name of the person either of you were referring to how could I make a reference to the same person. I was only talking about someone whose case sounds very similar to what each of you are writing about. I never said or indicated he was the same person any of you here may be referring to, and the person I am writing about is certainly NOT GG or anyone active on either board, and I don't know precisely why he was banned. But he was infamous for pressuring ladies and agencies for favors, discounts, and/or freebies and his hobby name was black listed with some agencies...as I was told in person by one owner. As for the presumption of innocence in this single case you are talking about...of course...what else.

    Chill,

    Korbel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxima
    ..and none of them would publicly denounce him on the boards? One person can not be that powerful.
    Actually, he was accused on the boards a few years ago.
    Last edited by korbel; 04-13-2008 at 06:59 PM.
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    Lets see

    1. Has been caught using duplicate handles, check out the duplicate handle thread on merb and see why most of them are banned, (Duplicate handle for the purpose of shilling).

    2. Has been banned on both boards for harassment.

    3. Has posted a review about a sp and then reposted another review of the same sp 7 months later with negative remarks(proven lies) that he did not include in his original post.

    4. Is a proven liar as I have seen with my very own 2 eyes evidence of one of his blatant lies(age of sp to be exact).

    5. Has been accused by another well respected sp of this board of asking for a discount in exchange for a positive review, yes this is her word against his but again look at my previous points with number 1 being the most serious in my view.

    This is not a personal vendetta but there is clear incriminating evidence against this guy(my opinion).

    Korbel- I do believe you are referring to robertpal who is not the same guy that Maxima and I are talking about.
    Last edited by Joe.t; 04-13-2008 at 10:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxima
    Bad review black mail? Do you have any proof for such a thing? Would you be able to kindly show us a bad review written on Merb as a result of an SP not giving out discounts?
    It was pointed out to the moderators. That is sufficient for the moment, in my opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxima
    You seem to generalize that bad reviews are the result of blackmail, are you not?
    No. Nor do i see how you could take my statements about a couple of instances to be a generalization. In both cases, I saw emails or heard voicemails with precise threats, the first time, the guy made good on his threat, the second time the incident was less cut and dry but coincidental enough to draw presumptive conclusions.

    [QUOTE=Maxima]How do people go about doing blackmail?
    Would it be like: "If you don't give me discount I write a bad review"?
    or rather:[/QUOTE=Maxima]

    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxima
    Lately (on the other board) there was a case of an SP who is extremely sensitive to bad reviews (in the past many of her attacks were directed toward posters who wrote negative reviews about her) who started a rumor about review blackmail from a senior poster (who have had many credible reviews to his credit). She has never provided any proof. A review board should have both negative and positive reviews. Don't turn this into a campaign to eliminate negative reviews!
    I don't know about any other board. These were two specific incidents. As always, you can believe what you want, I really don't care, just don't turn this into a campaign cast doubt on a very real situation, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hydragoat
    The reason that that you have heard of this is because you, yourself, have brought up MERB with the SPs that you see.
    You left out one word. "socially". In both cases, yes, I have an after-work relationship with the women, which is a) why they told me about it, and b) why i believe them. they have nothing to gain by telling me, and I waited a fair amount of time after this last incident to post about it, so that I would have time to think about a positive way to address the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe.t
    Korbel- I do believe you are referring to robertpal who is not the same guy that Maxima and I are talking about.
    NO...Joe.t,

    Wrong! Please don't get into a guessing game. I will not respond to guesses again.

    Cheers,

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    trying to get back to the original idea...

    Quote Originally Posted by YouVantOption
    It seems there are some sleazeballs here who threaten girls with bad reviews on MERB should they not hand out extra-special discounts, or provide services they aren't comfortable with. And, they promise will post a really good review if they receive special consideration.

    (...)

    I've seen other SP discussion boards where they have a compiled star rating for girls, each member gets to vote once for a girl with his rating.
    etc.

    Each being a separate post, with a poll with five simple choices, one start to five star.
    I also have heard some girls complain about this, more like "Do you know I am so-and-so on the board ? and I know Mr X, the owner of this agency... and I can get whatever I want..." type of statements. Statements which made the girls with lesser experience clearly unconfortable, they felt pressured to give him/them whatever was wanted. I think that is despicable.

    I would not mind a star system. ONly problem is you could only vote once... what if you see the girl mutiple times and the service is clearly improved or worse on other occasions? How do you control for that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxima
    Two specific incidents from the same customer or two different customers? Were they or was he a member of Merb? And you know about these incidents because you were an agency owner? a "manager" of an sp? a jealous boyfriend of an sp? another client who happened to be there when the guy(s) called and listened to the conversation?
    Thank you for you diligence, you seem very concerned about this issue. In order:
    Two.
    MERB members both, ergo them being reported to the MODs.
    No, no, and no.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxima
    What ever you I could not careless as long as you don't call for a ban of negative reviews.
    Again, where do you see that in what I wrote? I didn't say that nor did I imply that. I have 380 posts to this board, the vast majority of them are reviews both good and bad, or informational. I'm all for negative reviews, and positive ones, so long as they are fair. Both positive and negative must be posted to make reviews worth consideration.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxima
    How do you distinguish between a "blackmail" negative review and a legitimate bad review?
    It's kind of easy when somebody says "Give me a discount or I'll write bad bad review of you on MERB", or "I want you to perform X sexual act, or I will write a bad review", despite being told, repeatedly, the girl isn't into X.

    When one does that, it is, at the very least, coercion, and arguably, well, there's another word for it, on the tip of my tongue, begins with the letter 'R'.
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    As EagerBeaver would say, it's Board Terrorism and arguably the worst offense capable of being used here...Utterly disgusting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxima
    I'm talking about once a negative review was written on Merb, how can Mods or any of us know how to distinguish between a legitimate negative review and a review written negatively as a a result of an Sp not giving in to a blackmail?

    I surely don't want this to turn into a witch hunt of people who write legitimate bad reviews.

    you also have to consider the factor of YMMV. some people here might be respectable in real life. Other people might be disgusting slobs that don't shower etc and then complain and write bad reviews.

    In all honesty, their reviews might be fair from their perspective. This is a key problem that we never be fixed; the only way we can alleviate it is to have numbers on our side.

    If a sp has 4 reviews and one of them is false, that makes a major difference.
    If an sp has 100 reviews, one bad review//shill will do practically no harm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxima
    I'm talking about once a negative review was written on Merb, how can Mods or any of us know how to distinguish between a legitimate negative review and a review written negatively as a a result of an Sp not giving in to a blackmail?
    You can't, that's the whole point of the threat behind such things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxima
    surely don't want this to turn into a witch hunt of people who write legitimate bad reviews.
    For the third, and hopefully last time, the girls told me and presented physical evidence as to the threat of a bad review, emails and voice-mails.

    What more do you want me to say? Did I say 'witch hunt'? I don't recall typing it.

    Did I say anything but make a suggestion that we try a numerical rating system so that poor reviews can normalize across numerous ratings?

    You have attempted to dismiss or belittle these incidents, trying to lay blame on the girl "an SP who is extremely sensitive to bad reviews" or on me " And you know about these incidents because you were an agency owner? a "manager" of an sp? a jealous boyfriend of an sp? another client who cares?"

    Why would that be? Why would you go to such lengths, I wonder.
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