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    Collecting personal information and documenting them in an electronic or other form without the person's consent is ilegal in Canada. The related legislation is here: http://www.privcom.gc.ca/legislation/index_e.asp. Jurisdiction is the residence of the person(s) who collected the info electronically or otherwise, not the location of the hardware that stores the data. Now that you are aware of this legislation, in a court of law the argument that you didn't know is inadmissible.

    In a related issue, I have information about someone who has collected data about me. There is someone with executive authority who is looking into this. Hint: some crooks who have been released on parole, may soon find that freedom short lived.

    -you know who.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltage
    Collecting personal information and documenting them in an electronic or other form without the person's consent is ilegal in Canada. The related legislation is here: http://www.privcom.gc.ca/legislation/index_e.asp. Jurisdiction is the residence of the person(s) who collected the info electronically or otherwise, not the location of the hardware that stores the data. Now that you are aware of this legislation, in a court of law the argument that you didn't know is inadmissible.

    -you know who.
    I strongly suggest if you have any concerns about private data being collected that you contact the Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada and speak with them. They will advise you as to the viability of filing a complaint.

    What is of greater concern is why ElfgoneBad created a second, new MERB handle to post this information in an intimidating fashion. MODs? Do you have anything to say about members who maintain two handles? Mr. Elf sent me exactly this same email, to the letter, moments ago, so unless this is a very unfortunate coincidence, I'd say he is someone who needs reminding of the rules.

    Mr. Elf is trying to scare SPs from exchanging information to which they have a fundamental legal and human right to do. He does not know PIPEDA, I happen to know it and the Privacy Commissioner of Canada quite well, and using big words and fake legal terms doesn't make you a lawyer

    Elf/Voltage is dead wrong. Using information as a disincentive to commerce is the exact opposite of what PIPEDA protects against (that is, collecting information so you can profit from it), and his last line about 'alerting me to the law means I can't claim ignorance in a court of law' is a joke.

    First off, there have been no cases that I know of filed in federal court under PIPEDA thus far.

    The Privacy Commissioner issues finding, and rulings, and people have complied (I have won cases under PIPEDA).

    Secondly, there is no provision under PIPEDA under which ignorance can be used as a defense. This shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the law (and in fact all others in this country).

    Thirdly, his attempt to define the rules of evidentiary admissibility is equally incorrect.

    Mr. Elf wants to play lawyer and scare people away from facts they need to do their job safely.

    if you have any concerns, Elf, about MTL BTL, go ahead and file try a complaint with the PCOC. i think you will find that the staff there is much smarter than you, and they will determine that there is nothing to be done because we simply aren't even close to breaking the law.
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    We knew Voltage is Elf but wanted to see what he is going to do next. If he reaches the level of GG where the addiction reaches the level of paranoia and start loosing it.

    Along the way he cumulated a number of enemies and it's no surprise that the world is closing down on him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mod 6
    We knew Voltage is Elf but wanted to see what he is going to do next. If he reaches the level of GG where the addiction reaches the level of paranoia and start loosing it.

    Along the way he cumulated a number of enemies and it's no surprise that the world is closing down on him.
    Hello Mod6,

    It's amazing what Elf (Tony) and all his characters get away with. He offers nothing positive or productive, which was one of GGs pluses despite the endless trouble he brought. But because Elf isn't the "in your face" trouble maker GG was, he gets to work his malicious mischief like slow arsenic poisoning. Can anyone really explain the difference bewteen Elf and GG that allows Elf to stay on the board in any of his disguises? The Elf presence has long been a travesty of even-handed rules appilcation...a.k.a.... "The Joke."

    amazed,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mod 6
    We knew Voltage is Elf but wanted to see what he is going to do next. If he reaches the level of GG where the addiction reaches the level of paranoia and start loosing it.

    Along the way he cumulated a number of enemies and it's no surprise that the world is closing down on him.

    he just threatened me, by email, with physical violence. Does that count as bad behaviour?
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouVantOption
    he just threatened me, by email, with physical violence. Does that count as bad behaviour?
    Yes, it does and he's permanently banned. It now goes beyond MERB and I suggest that you take the appropriate measures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mod 6
    Yes, it does and he's permanently banned. It now goes beyond MERB and I suggest that you take the appropriate measures.
    Heh. yes it does, and I fully intend to. Thanks for the quick and appropriate action. the community certainly will be better for it.
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    Mr. Elf is trying to scare SPs from exchanging information to which they have a fundamental legal and human right to do.
    I usually don't participate in this type of thread, and God knows Tony can defend himself(selves) on his own, but does anyone else notice a profound conflict of interest in a hobbyist creating & maintaining a "bad client" board?

    When an SP, with the fundamental legal & human right to exchange information, posts the real name of one of his friends to warn other ladies, will it remain on the blog? What if he has a misunderstanding with an SP and his real name appears on his own blog?

    Would a hobbyist having access to the "bad client" list be able to warn someone who is on the list, and tell him which SP posted it? Would that put the SP in any danger?

    What would prevent him from blackballing Tony/EGB/Voltage, etc. (or any other hobbyist that he has a problem with) by posting a warning since he's maintaining the blog?

    Finally(?) how open will SP's be to an exchange of information on hobbyists, once they realize that a hobbyist is monitoring/moderating their postings?

    These are just questions, not accusations, since obviously I don't have access to the blog.

    Regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voyager
    I usually don't participate in this type of thread, and God knows Tony can defend himself(selves) on his own, but does anyone else notice a profound conflict of interest in a hobbyist creating & maintaining a "bad client" board?

    When an SP, with the fundamental legal & human right to exchange information, posts the real name of one of his friends to warn other ladies, will it remain on the blog? What if he has a misunderstanding with an SP and his real name appears on his own blog?

    Would a hobbyist having access to the "bad client" list be able to warn someone who is on the list, and tell him which SP posted it? Would that put the SP in any danger?

    What would prevent him from blackballing Tony/EGB/Voltage, etc. (or any other hobbyist that he has a problem with) by posting a warning since he's maintaining the blog?

    Finally(?) how open will SP's be to an exchange of information on hobbyists, once they realize that a hobbyist is monitoring/moderating their postings?

    These are just questions, not accusations, since obviously I don't have access to the blog.

    Regards,

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    These are all legitimate concerns. In fact it is my intention to put the ownership and moderation of the group directly into the hands of SPs as quickly as possible so as to avoid exactly such a situations. I had already reached out to the participants, prior to you posting this.
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    It strikes me as this is rather like let's find Waldo. Except this time Waldo is a little bit of a jerk with nothing else better to do than to spend all his time trying to outsmart people that care considerably less about this than he does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouVantOption

    First off, there have been no cases that I know of filed in federal court under PIPEDA thus far.

    The Privacy Commissioner issues finding, and rulings, and people have complied (I have won cases under PIPEDA).
    Please explain. You claim that no cases have been filed under PIPEDA in Federal Court YET you claim to have won cases under PIPEDA.

    Obviously the cases would not have been in Federal Court, yet I am curious under what circumctances any provincial court would have accepted jurisdiction for a case "... under PIPEDA".

    Please cite the file numbers of the cases in question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oliver_kloseoff
    hey
    for the record how many handles have you banned of his by now???
    id bet my left nut he has a douzine sleeper handles and back up ones beyond this.
    nothing personal
    but he is an expert in computors
    which in comparison makes you and your staff look mentally challanged
    elf is only not on the board if he wishes not to be.
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    Hello OK,

    Excellent point. Isn't there any software that can block any posts from his IP address? If that is possible it would seem to be the end game for his abuse once his address is identified.

    Do it,

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastender
    Please explain. You claim that no cases have been filed under PIPEDA in Federal Court YET you claim to have won cases under PIPEDA.

    Obviously the cases would not have been in Federal Court, yet I am curious under what circumctances any provincial court would have accepted jurisdiction for a case "... under PIPEDA".

    Please cite the file numbers of the cases in question.
    I responded offlist to this in more detail, but simply put, The PCoC will issue a ruling without going to court, the defendant changes their practices, chalk one up in the win column.

    That said, this is pretty off the thread topic, if you wish to discuss it more, happy to do so either offlist, or in another thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Korbel
    Isn't there any software that can block any posts from his IP address? If that is possible it would seem to be the end game for his abuse once his address is identified.l
    Comparing posts from different handles coming from the same IP would seem to be the first thing the MERB MODs do, I'd think. Style comparisons are trivial as well. A true "expert in computors" (sic) could make it somewhat more difficult to create handles by rotating IPs and the mods will have to play whack-a-mole, but that would be limited do a degree in terms of one's ability to set up email accounts and access to diverse IPs. This isn't the only place where jerks abuse the system, of course, and the techniques for dealing with such things are equally well-know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouVantOption
    Comparing posts from different handles coming from the same IP would seem to be the first thing the MERB MODs do, I'd think. Style comparisons are trivial as well. A true "expert in computors" (sic) could make it somewhat more difficult to create handles by rotating IPs and the mods will have to play whack-a-mole, but that would be limited do a degree in terms of one's ability to set up email accounts and access to diverse IPs. This isn't the only place where jerks abuse the system, of course, and the techniques for dealing with such things are equally well-know.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry1234
    This is a direct question that needs direct answer. No bullshiting here, this is serious.
    Hello YVO,

    Looks like the joke known as Tony has another handle. I apologize to Jerry1234 if I am wrong, but 1 post and a new name usually = "the Joke."

    So are you saying he can randomly change IP addresses at will and cannot be blocked. If he can be blocked I suggest we make it as difficult for him as possible to post and make him use as much of his pointless time to work at getting in rather than having the board make too much effort to deal with "The Joke".

    lol,

    Korbel

    PS

    Looks like either "The Joke" erased the post above or the mods did.
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