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    Recent Merb "Situations"

    Hello Everyone,

    A few points that I feel needed to be addressed in light of situations that have developed recently. As I have mentioned elsewhere, Merb has seemed to have gained a great deal of popularity amongst all sides of this hobby: hobbiests, SP's, Owners, and Advertisers. With that, the interaction between Hobbiests' with (SP's/ Owners / and those close to them) have increased. It never seemed to be a big problem when it occasionally occured before, but it seems to have done so recently.

    Preferably, the Moderators would like to stay in the background. However, certain times we must become public, whether its due to PM's not being returned or in situations that would benefit everyone as we feel there are things that everyone has the right to know.

    As for the deleted thread in the incall section that has stirred a great deal of controversy, a higher power removed because it deviated too far from the intended topic and only served to incite personalized flames.

    HornyBoy007, I'm not sure if you read my PM as I felt it was clear and respectful to you and all involved. I took the time to respond to you in the original incall thread but later found out that thread was removed. This was my response to you (from memory):

    HB007,

    Your thread was deleted because it unnecessarily perpetuated your existing views and were redundant. It serves no purpose to duplicate your posts in their entirety in a new thread. Your reiteration only serves to fortify your focus on a single individual and thus, was deemed as a personalized attack and is in violation of our rules.

    Notice that your original posts remain and have been left uncensored. Whether she initiated the attack or is unfamiliar with internet forums, she removed, on her on accord, her initial posts. Take that as a strong sign to let this issue rest. I encourage you to start a new Lounge thread concerning the Freedom of Posting Reviews.

    Concerning merb integrity. Let me make this very clear. The Moderators moderate everything and everyone. We have issued warnings (posts and pm’s) that cover the full spectrum of posters (hobbiests, sp’s , owners, advertisers). Also, our on-going review of multiple handles… imagine who would likely have multiple personalities (besides donbusch, lol).



    One last note, the Moderators do so on a volunteer basis, regular posters that were asked by Fred. Imagine yourself as a Mod and then you'll understand our point of view.

    Feel free to respond, suggestions, opinions, as merb is everyone's and any input would be greatly appreciated.

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    First of all,

    I apologize of spamming the board with messages this morning. My point was not to tell anybody what to do but just to bring the issue of free and objective posting on this board.

    Many of you did not see what happened last night, so I understand your surprise when you saw the spam today. I am using a new nick because, my other account was censored, just because I tried to express my point of you (and I did that very politely) re. Posting. I’ll summarize what happened in a few points :

    1- We got 2 posts from MOD3 to stop posting in threads "Melody" and "Sophia". The MOD said that these threads are meant for incalls reviews and not to discuss any other topic (the post of MOD3 is still there in Melody’s thread). MOD3 suggested that we stop discussing the issue in this thread and create a new thread in the lounge if we wanted to discuss another topic. So far so good. The only glitch is that this is not the first time a thread forks to discussing other topics. Anyway, I did what MOD3 said, and created a new thread in the lounge and copied my only posts there. I did not copy other posts since I believe that the owner of any post is the person who wrote it.

    2- The thread in the lounge was meant to discuss the issue of posting reviews on this board, and that was my point in the thread about Sophia before she started her attack : treating me of a frustrated person, sick and so and so on. I hope that she has also been warned by MOD3. I’ve been posting here since july, and I was always respectful to everybody, even if we did not share the same opinions sometimes. But we had never a thread degenerate in the way we saw this week. Well, I added a post in this new thread addressing the issue of posting reviews on this board especially about SPs and agencies who are members of the board or advertising on merb.

    3- I was surprised to see that this thread was deleted by MOD3, who was specifically asking to start a new thread in the lounge. Again, I added a post addressing the issue of posting reviews.

    4- I noticed this morning that the whole thread about sophia was deleted. By the way sophia deleted all her offending posts yesterday, maybe just prior to complaining to MOD. The thread on Melody is still running (maybe MOD3 could explain his unfaireness).

    Last point, if SPs on this board will decide what is “postable” and what is not that would be very harmful to this site.

    I am using a new nick because I was prevented to post under my usual nick!!! (that was not very smart b.t.w).

    I am also sending this text to Fred Zed just in case MOD3 will delete again.

    HornyBoy007.

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    In good spirit, I apologize if we started on the wrong foot. Internet is quite impersonal, and a few words can often be misunderstood and can create situations that quickly get out of hand.

    Please, stop thinking I am against reviews, I am not. In fact, I have began contacting members that I know to see if they wish to convey their experiences with me, good or bad. I don't force them to post or not to post. I simply ask them to be very discreet, for many personal reasons that concern me, and only me. I don't have to justify this here. When I ask gentlemen to either restrain themselves from posting or to be discreet, it is definitely not to the detriment of this board. If we had a chance to discuss it, if you would have asked me why I think like this, the thread would have been very different. I understand your point, and respect it. For me, it is not about "to post or not to post". It is about how to post without compromising what I have tried to achieve in my life outside of SP related stuff.

    My point is that even if the previous thread became ugly, with you going a bit out of hand, and me also at some point when this all started because I felt I was getting judged unfairly because of my opinions, I still think you are an intelligent person with a good sense of pride. I don't judge you in any way, and I want you to know that if we can respectfully exchange our opinions, I am not closed to any type of discussion. If you have something personal you wish to address to me, just PM me, or email me, and we can discuss it together as I am sure we can. My email is on my profile. In fact, if you wish, PM me, and we can get in touch by telephone if you want to discuss these issues with me.

    The thread went too far. That we both know. Lets start anew :-) I feel it was an interesting subject in the beginning, that interests all of us because of the deep nature of its content.

    I hope you see how I feel about this. You have opinions, I have opinions, other people too, sensitive subjects tend to go a bit further than expected because of this. MOD3 did his job, now lets do ours with the best of our personal experience and good will :-)

    What do you think?

    Sophia
    Last edited by Sophia; 04-11-2004 at 05:40 PM.

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    Originally posted by dannyMe
    I am using a new nick because I was prevented to post under my usual nick!!! (that was not very smart b.t.w).
    HornyBoy007.
    HB/Danny

    Obviously your other name was restricted for good reason. You violated many posting guidelines set forth by the owners and Mod3 felt it necessary to take action before things got even more out of hand. I am also guessing that it's against guidelines to come back under another name when you've already been banned once.

    As I said before...Give it a rest and enjoy the hobby. Don't get so caught up in what goes on here so that it rules your life.

    SK

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    DannyMe (HornyBoy),

    As you probably know by now, we are multiple mods on the board, and our goal is to make it a better board. When we were appointed as Mods by Fred, we took it very seriously and first drafted some rules that everyone can rely on to set some boundaries.

    Since then, we are doing our best and keep things in order, with fairness and objectivity. As we now are multiple mods, we constantly communicate our actions between us, and try to be as proficient as possible.

    There are times however when one of us is online and has to take action while the others are not. For instance, I was the one who saw you posting all these comments repeatedly in all threads around noon today, and having heard about previous issues with you recently (I was not there then, but Mod 3 communicated them), I had no other choice than to ban you. Spaming the board (something we will add to the rules), is not something we want to allow.

    I am very happy to read your comments and explanations in this thread, and given your more courteous way of handling the issue, I would suggest you contact Fred to have your initial handle reinstated, AND "Dannyme" as well as "mesange" BE DEACTIVATED.

    Regarding your other concerns about the fairness of Mod3 actions, I can't comment on them as I was not there at that time, and since the thread has been deleted I have no way to make any judgment. However, knowing his integrity I have no doubt about the well being of his actions. He will probably post comments in this regard himself.

    Bottom line, I hope everyone will see our point of view about moderating this board, and understand our motives: Keep this board clean, respectful, and useful to all of us.

    I would encourage anyone of you to read the posting rules and guidelines if you didn't read them already.

    Thank you.

    M2

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    Originally posted by Sophia
    DannyMe (HornyBoy007)

    I hope you see how I feel about this. You have opinions, I have opinions, other people too, sensitive subjects tend to go a bit further than expected because of this. MOD3 did his job, now lets do ours with the best of our personal experience and good will :-)

    What do you think?

    Sophia
    Is that mean that you will start seeing non-regular again and you will remove the restricted access to your web site again?
    Escorts are like a box of chocolate, you never know what you gonna get! Especially with a repeat!!!!

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    Originally posted by dannyMe
    I apologize of spamming the board with messages this morning. My point was not to tell anybody what to do but just to bring the issue of free and objective posting on this board.HornyBoy007.
    Don't apologize just go and delete all the fucking stupid posts you did. Some people are already confused by them. And go get laid it will help...believe me it does.
    Escorts are like a box of chocolate, you never know what you gonna get! Especially with a repeat!!!!

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    HB007,

    I believe Sophia has made a sincere attempt to rectify the situation with you and to start anew.

    I, along with merbadmin, both pm’ed you and ENCOURAGED you to post your Lounge thread “Freedom of Posting Reviews” but as a GENERALIZED topic. I had also apologized for not making that clear enough the first time and I also thanked you for all your past contributions and looked forward to your constructive posts. From what you have stated here, I suspect you did not read those pm’s as you were preoccupied. That was the gist of my pm’s and my post (seen above) as I rewrite this all from memory, LOL.

    I had received NUMEROUS complaints about these two separate Incall threads. Perhaps surprising to you, 95% of these complaints came from fellow hobbyists. We are obliged to act on these complaints and other things as well. Also, to permit a thread intended for specific reviews of a specific individual to surpass 50 posts and within that there is only ONLY 1 review (or none in the deleted thread), it is not unreasonable to request that the branching topic be discussed elsewhere. I too enjoyed many of the previous off-shoots in past threads, as most are very interesting topics. Not long ago, there were many complaints about mega-threads, threads going off-topic, hijacked etc. I acted with this in mind, as I felt it was in the good interest of the board, and I also asked that we remain respectful.

    Your original handle was banned, not censored (banning by mod (right now) is a suspension; admin ban is permanent). All your other posts, even your spam, LOL, still remains... uncensored.

    As for me being “unfair”, I did not delete that Incall thread to begin with. I had even asked for it to be restored. However, for specific reasons, I am thankful that merbadmin did so and completely support and respect that action. Believe me, you should too. It was not deleted because of an SP. No threads have ever been deleted just because it contains “bad” reviews of SP’s that advertise here or not. I do not appreciate this insinuation. Please take a good look.

    We are all different and have different opinions. We may agree on one thing and then immediately disagree on another. I think the most interesting discussions here, stem from differing views. We encourage that as long as it maintains a level of respect.

    Sometimes, unknowingly and unintentionally, there are real and serious safety issues that stem from these types of degenerative threads. Fun and games for most… but not for others. This goes well beyond mere words, "he said / she said," or egos. PLEASE sincerely consider these implications. A basal level of respect could have avoided such negative results. We must show a level of responsibility in what we say. It may not benefit you or me, but it will for someone else, in particular, SP’s. They are, after all, what we principally discuss here. It is a tough job. Try and look at it from another's perspective.

    The end.

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    Originally posted by AllOverHer
    Is that mean that you will start seeing non-regular again and you will remove the restricted access to your web site again?

    It's accessible since yesterday, in an abriged version. As for seeing non-regulars, I now ask for many more details, references, etc. :-)

    Sophia
    Last edited by Sophia; 04-11-2004 at 05:41 PM.

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    Sophia,

    I appreciate your reply. It is unfortunate that the situation went that way. I also appreciate the fact that you are more open to reviews. Reviews revealing any personal information about you are generally deleted/edited, so I think you should not worry about that.

    It is part of my personality to reply whenever I feel insulted/offended (I think it is yours too , that's why things went that way).

    MOD2,

    I am not contesting the decision made by MOD3 to delete some of the posts (those containing insults). I am a member of many forums and I am very aware of the "netiquette". It is frustrating though when the moderator does not seem to be fair. I know that it is hard to maintain a site with so many users, especially if you are doing that on a voluntary basis. But, I sincerly hope that the experience we had last week, we allow everybody (members and moderators) to think a bit. There is always a positive side even with the ugliest things. And I hope that we will not see posts and users like this in the future :

    Originally posted by AllOverHer
    Don't apologize just go and delete all the fucking stupid posts you did. Some people are already confused by them. And go get laid it will help...believe me it does.
    The best thing is to delete such posts like from the start before things start to degenerate. I am pretty sure that MERB will remain a valuable source of reviews, a place for exchanging ideas and information about Montreal.

    HB.

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    DannyMe/HB007,

    Please review the Posting guidelines and Rules of conduct again.

    <MERB had been a generally self-regulating board, something we see as one of its attractions. We intend to keep it that way. We will try and keep the moderation in the background, intervening only where necessary.>

    We are not going to start censuring posts like the one you suggested. I have to agree that "fucking stupid" is not the most respectful thing to write(!), but if we start censuring too heavily, where will it stop? Where would we draw the line? With the recent events, I don't think you are in a good position to give suggestions like this to begin with. Some people have different ways to express their opinion, more or less civilian, and the only way to remain fair to everyone is to only act upon more serious situations.

    Regarding these posts you made in all sections (...Please stop posting you reviews to this site...Any alternative SP forums about Montreal?...), as they are spam and useless anyway, I deleted all those to which no reply had been done so far.

    Now, let's please stop talking about past events and let's all look in the same direction.

    Thank you

    M2

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    Mod2,

    This is to FUCKING funny, sorry I have to say something to protect my credibility LOL.

    The posts hornyboy007 made are fucking stupid and childish.

    Now if he was a man he would go and delete them or just erase them. It confused a few people. Remember that some people that come here are little kids in a candy store and whatever they read they believe in it. Just go and read peoples reaction after his fucking POSTS.

    As for you my man DannyMe, Hornyboy007 or whatever will be your next name, I told you go and get laid. It helps!!!!!
    But now I say that you should go and see someone. Someone that might help you between the ears so you can control whatever you have to control. I wish you well, no really I do. Hope to read good reviews from you in the futur.

    Well it's fucking all folks. Keep on Fucking!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

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    Exclamation You're close to the edge!

    AllOverHer,

    DannyME/HB007 COULD NOT delete his posts because he has been banned, remember? Maybe you should think twice before posting something like this? There was no way for him as "DannyMe" to delete posts made as "HornyBoy007". So I had to do it myself.

    Now, you're really close to the edge in your recent post. I said I would not start censuring posts like the one you made in regard to HB007, but don't do like him, showing a lack of respect and/or fooling around with the mods. YOU WILL LOSE!

    If you want to protect your credibility, please post in a more civilian manner and don't try to test me. Again, YOU WILL LOSE.

    I am starting to be really fed up with all of this. And if anyone else want to jump in, feel free to do it, but accept the consequences.

    I think we have been nice enough, have explained the reasons behind our actions, and we played fair. This is the final warning. Please stop this.

    Thank you

    M2

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    I start enjoying to challenge some fucking weirdos like AllOverHer. It is fucking funny man. I think that the game is about to start. OllOverHer, or allOveryouMom or whatever, this is my last post under DannyMe, I 'll come back with a new nick, new IP new email ans so on . I really start to enjoy this game. thanks fucking MOD2 for letting play it. It is so easy to fool you fucking morons, I wonder if you have any technical background re. the internet, system cracking...

    See you after reacarnation.

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    Originally posted by dannyMe
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    This is when you die and come back as a container of evaporated milk.
    Give this job to...Clemenza.

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