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    Possible New Developments in the Bus Beheading Incident!

    Just before we leave this topic there have been some new developments. People who knew Li have reported that he was exhibiting all the signs of developing paranoid schzophrenia. When they urged him to seek medical help he would refuse. Now apparently there was a female coworker/friend of McLean's at the front of the bus (Stacey). Apparently Li had been sitting and chatting with this lady for some time as well as chatting with her on a cigarette break. McLean's girlfriend is disturbed by text messages he sent to her shortly before he was attacked suggesting that ecstasy was being used by some people on the bus. This part is not quite clear. It is possible he was not sitting with his coworker because she was the user. This may come out eventually. A close friend described him as one who kept to himself possibly as a result of his small stature. He was only about 5'4" and not a heavy guy(130). Apparently he often would distance himself in social situations which made him feel uncomfortable. The family has reported that after her interview with police she quickly returned to British Columbia.

    http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/loc...-4800747c.html

    What does all of this mean? First, if all of this is true, it would seem logical for police to carry out some intense questioning of the female coworker/friend if they can find her. I would be interested in the following:

    What did she and Li talk about? Was she in possession of ecstasy? Did she use it on the bus? Did she share it with Li? Did she discuss McLean with Li? If so what was the discussion about?

    With this new information coming to light it is now highly suspect that McLean was deliberately targeted by Li. Was Li already borderline psychotic? Would ecstasy have put him over the edge. Could the female coworker/friend have provided the focus for Li to act out in his agitated state?

    Now a final caveat is that the evidence for all of this would seem to be sketchy. One Winnipeg reporter I heard interviewed on the radio this morning says that none of this has been verified and therefore there is a strong possibility that all of this is mere speculation, the result of the family trying to come to grips with this horrific act.
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    RG,

    I would think the RCMP would have tried to do a blood, urine or other toxicological test on Li based on his behavior and based on the manner of the homicide. I am not sure whether under Canadian law you can refuse such a test. I know in Connecticut when there is a motor vehicle accident resulting in injuries requiring hospitalization, such tests are mandatory. In other situations blood tests can be refused.

    I read that McLean was 5'4", 130 pounds making him a very small man and perhaps an easier target. I have not read any reports on Li's size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver
    RG,

    I would think the RCMP would have tried to do a blood, urine or other toxicological test on Li based on his behavior and based on the manner of homicide. I am not sure whether under Canadian law you can refuse such a test. I know in Connecticut when there is a motor vehicle accident resulting in injuries requiring hospitalization, such tests are mandatory.

    I read that that McLean was 5'4", 130 pounds making him a very small man and perhaps an easier target. I have not read any reports on Li's size.
    Yes drug testing would seem to be a logical step if they suspected it to be a factor. They are very closed mouthed about any developments, however, creating a lot of speculation.
    Looking at videos and photos of Li in the presence of police officers he would seem to be a fair size but again we don't have the facts.
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    Drugs testing

    A toxicology panel (drugs testing) is a routine procedure when a patient involve or not in a criminal act is seen by a psychiatrist. All drugs are tested: narcotics, psychotropic, benzodiazepines, anabolic steroids, barbituric, PCP, marijuana, alcohol ... you name it. A psychiatric assessment and diagnosis cannot be done without this.
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    Questions.

    - What did Stacey disguss with Li?

    - Did Stacey have a grudge against McLean?

    - Was it Staceys knife?

    - Did Stacey provide Li with extacy?



    When the story broke, the attacker was described as being 6 ft + tall which was not true. He is 5-10. The police radio transmissions also have him eating the victim, this also is untrue. The RCMP is unusualy quiet about this case, there is more to this case than we know at this time.

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    Why not just add this to the other two beheading threads?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Special K
    Why not just add this to the other two beheading threads?
    I actually thought about that before starting this. It just seemed that the discussion on Nadya's thread had run its course. But no problem as long as we don't lose the train of thought here. Must admit I am having a bit of difficulty finding the new location. Hope this finds its way there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver
    RG,

    I would think the RCMP would have tried to do a blood, urine or other toxicological test on Li based on his behavior and based on the manner of the homicide. I am not sure whether under Canadian law you can refuse such a test.

    I read that McLean was 5'4", 130 pounds making him a very small man and perhaps an easier target. I have not read any reports on Li's size.
    Police here will get such testing as routine procedure, when behavious is as described; if the suspect refuses, a simple court order will suffice, as for alcohol in DUI cases. Urine and blood testing, usually. More types of testing is available through medico-legal facilities than standard hospital tests.

    Also of note, size does not matter much if Li was on drugs or psychotic. Many drugs (PCP for example) make you oblivious to physical pain while stoned, so you continue whatever you are doing even if you are hit, injured, etc. Similar situations can arise in severely psychotic people.

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    Mr Li went to court today. Some rather ghoulish details came out. When he was apprehended he had an ear, nose and part of a mouth in his pocket. He had been eating the flesh of his victim. He walked back and forth in the bus brandishing the bloody head of his victim. Police had left him on the bus and he was heard to say that he wanted to stay on the bus forever. But at one point he broke a window, threw out the bloody knife and attempted to jump out. When he hit the ground he was apprehended. He has not been responsive to the process in court. He seemed right out of it. He is under a 24 hour suicide watch and doesn't seem to care whether he gets counsel or not. At one point in court he muttered, "Someone kill me now!" The judge has recommended psychiatric assessment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTA refugee
    When the story broke, the attacker was described as being 6 ft + tall which was not true. He is 5-10. The police radio transmissions also have him eating the victim, this also is untrue. The RCMP is unusualy quiet about this case, there is more to this case than we know at this time.
    On news tonight it give more details of attack. It say police report in court reveal he stab 20 to 40 time and do 'actes de cannibalisme'. So I think the part 'have him eating the victim' is true, not untrue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regular Guy
    The judge has recommended psychiatric assessment.
    Boy! That must have been a very tough decision by the judge!!

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    Boy! That must have been a very tough decision by the judge!!
    Yeah Doc! Ya think? But I just have this mental scenario of 5 or 6 years down the road with the incident all but out of the public imagination and the shrink saying his farewell to a perplexed Mr. Li at the Institute door, "Now Mr. Li we've come a long way in the last 5 years. You be sure to take your meds - Promise? You know what happens when you don't. And the best of luck to you!" Seeing that, that is what actually happened with Jeffrey Arenburg it may not be all that far fetched. One can only hope there is some sanity left in the mental health system. Did I say that?
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    Greyhound Forced To Scrap Ad Campaign

    Greyhound has now been forced to scrap its very expensive "there's a reason you have never heard of bus rage" ad campaign, because of Mr. Li:

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/...d.html?ref=rss
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...s-beheading-1/

    I guess they never thought someone would engage in bus rage on one of their buses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Regular Guy
    Yeah Doc! Ya think? But I just have this mental scenario of 5 or 6 years down the road with the incident all but out of the public imagination and the shrink saying his farewell to a perplexed Mr. Li at the Institute door, "Now Mr. Li we've come a long way in the last 5 years. You be sure to take your meds - Promise? You know what happens when you don't. And the best of luck to you!" Seeing that, that is what actually happened with Jeffrey Arenburg it may not be all that far fetched. One can only hope there is some sanity left in the mental health system. Did I say that?
    I love it. The judge is going to have Li submit to a psychiatric observation/evaluation. Gee whiz - the homicide tipped me off. We are of a like mind here Regular Guy. I think the guy should be put to sleep. If he's crazy, thats all the more reason.

    BTW - thanks for all the time and effort that you put into the other thread. Very well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hungry101
    I love it. The judge is going to have Li submit to a psychiatric observation/evaluation. Gee whiz - the homicide tipped me off. We are of a like mind here Regular Guy. I think the guy should be put to sleep. If he's crazy, thats all the more reason.

    BTW - thanks for all the time and effort that you put into the other thread. Very well said.
    Hello Gentlefolk,

    Let's be real about this. Yeah, maybe I share the same concerns about this guy getting off to lightly, in my view, for this heinous act. But, this procedure would be standard in any similar case. The nature of the case itself made this procedure inevitable. No matter what our concerns are about him possibly escaping what in our minds would be appropriate justice, this would have been part of it no matter what. So let's not jump to conclusions so early. At least give the Canadian justice system some chance to work.

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