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    Question A Language Question..If you not mind.

    Greetings everyone...I have been using this board ( contributing reports and other information ) for a couple of years now.

    I am US based, but am amazed by the city/ the vibe/ the ladies !!!

    I come to Montreal at least once a year, and was lucky enough to find this great forum to use as a reference guide for my trips ( I thank all members who contribute )


    I mean this question with all respect intended...

    Is this an English speaking board ? I do use the language tools on the internet to try to translate the French language into English, but it loses a lot in the translation...

    I love all languages...

    But I would like to hear what others have to say about this.


    Remember- I did not post this to start a war..that is not my intention


    Best Regards

    Smuler
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    Quote Originally Posted by smuler
    Is this an English speaking board ?
    At its inception, it was. In the first couple years after MERB started, you never saw any French posts. It was virtually all English speaking posters in the beginning. This has changed and the board has evolved into something of a bilingual entity. This is both good and bad, good in that it expands the membership but bad because the bilingual posters (or at least some of them) are posting in French only and information/revenue is being lost (revenue by the French SPs who are posting an advertising message or post in French only).

    The Board has no legal situs or jurisdiction in Montreal. The Board is administered from offices in Toronto, Ontario, where English is the official spoken language.
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    Talking allo

    good question.. smuler...

    but yes in the thruth the site is english..but a lot of people live in montreal and speak both and some prefer to speak better in there language..like mine is french but you know sometimes people here are sarcastic ..and mean..in there translation..cause i am trying really bad to write in english but i prefer in french..you know i was thinking to answer you in french but a couple of merbistes here dont like that and i find it not nice cause i help here most that i can...french and english..and yes i undertand veryyyyyyyy well english but i have to say that i rush sometimes to write in english...but still trying..but i NEVERRRRRR gonna say something like ...the thread is beginning in english..and you have to write in english on that thread because it is so childish to say that..hope to help you in the near futur mister
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    Panthere, your english is very good. If you use it more often you will help more people.

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    Hey Panthere..thanks for the reply

    Especially with a " hot topic " , the replies come so quickly, that I cannot keep up with the replies fast enough, and so I give up...

    I guess that people can say that I am lazy , but I think that the exchange of information is what makes this site such a good one ( Excellent members, along with Moderators that keep things running smoothly ) .

    FYI- I am a moderator on my Amsterdam board, so I certainly am no rookie to this ...


    Thanks to everyone again

    I would certainly like to hear what my French Canadian brothers have to say ..

    Best Regards

    Smuler


    Panthere..as EB has said, your English is very good

    You should hear me try to speak Spanish when I go to Buenos Aires ( should have paid more attention in high school LOL )
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    Quote Originally Posted by smuler
    Is this an English speaking board ?
    The short answer is Non (no). There is nothing in the MERB FAQ or Rules and Posting Guidelines about what languages posters should or must use.

    It's probably true that there are more native English speakers than French speakers on MERB and so there are more posts in English than in French. But the proportion of posters whose native tongue is French and who choose to post in French seems to be on the rise. And of course the native language of some posters is neither English nor French, for example, Oliver.

    There are many Merbites who speak both French and English (myself included) and they tend to post in the language in which they feel most comfortable (pour moi, c'est l'anglais--for me, it's English). Merbites who speak both languages sometimes translate their own messages or those of others.

    Another point: posters in the Quebec forums seem to post more often in French compared to the posters in the Montreal forums. That's understandable, since the proportion of native French speakers in Quebec is much higher than in Montreal.

    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver
    ...This is both good and bad, good in that it expands the membership but bad because the bilingual posters (or at least some of them) are posting in French only and information/revenue is being lost (revenue by the French SPs who are posting an advertising message in French only).

    We don't know that those Merbites who choose to post in French are truly bilingual (they might not actually speak much English or they might be just fluent in English and there's a big difference between "bilingual" and "fluent"). So it's not clear, as Eager implies, that they could easily post in English if they wanted to.

    There are many members who speak both languages but choose to post in the one in which they feel most comfortable. Just because you can speak a foreign language doesn't mean that it is easy to write it effortlessly. I speak French very well, but it takes me much longer to express myself in written French than in written English, so I post in English and I rarely translate my thoughts into French. Though I do sometimes translate interesting French posts written by others into English for the benefit of monolingual Merbites like Eager.
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    Renault: Realizing the importance of the case, my men are rounding up twice the usual number of suspects.
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    Strasser: Good. Is he in custody?
    Renault: Oh, there's no hurry. Tonight he'll be at Rick's. Everybody comes to Rick's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptRenault
    There are many Merbites who speak both French and English (myself included) and they tend to post in the language in which they feel most comfortable
    And there is another way to look at this, which is that these posters are not team players in terms of sharing information with others. Rather they are posting based on a self interest in their posts reading well to their own eyes (note that I am not including you Captain, as you have been kind enough to translate on many occasions).

    In most team sports, such an attitude would get you benched or kicked off the team. For example if you were the point guard for the North Carolina team and you were asked to explain a decision to hoist a 24 foot 3 pointer rather than hit someone wide open underneath for a layup, would it be any answer to Roy Williams' question to say that "I felt more comfortable" shooting the 3 pointer? Good luck with that answer. Your fucking ass would be on the bench.

    So basically I look at it as you are either on the team or you are not on the team, and if you are not on the team, the Mods should bench your ass.
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    I can't believe that this subject keeps coming up but I've always felt that the board was basically bilingual in that there are threads and posters in both languages. In general I feel that CaptRenault said it very well in his post.

    I can post in both languages but most of the topics I post in tend to be English threads. I also have an English language PC and I tend to be a bit anal about my spelling and grammar which makes it a pain in the ass for me to post in French.

    But that being said, I find it shows a real lack of respect when someone constantly replies to English posts by unilingual English posters, in French. What the hell is the point in replying to someone in a language they cannot hope to understand? Especially when this always seems to lead to a language war on the board. In this case I feel that it is done deliberately and the person just enjoys stirring things up.

    There are many French posters on the board who do their best to reply in English and they always apologize for their lack of English skills which I feel they have no need to apologize for. Just giving it a shot deserves everyone's thanks for the information they are trying to give. I've even seen Oliver_Kloseoff do his best in a thread to reply in French!

    There is always someone on the board willing to translate posts when someone has asked and there has always been one particular person who refuses to even try to be civil about replying in English. The way I look at it is that if he doesn't want people to understand what he posts, then it really isn't worth anything to begin with. Let him live in his own little fantasy world where only one language matters.

    In the end MERB is bilingual just like Montreal itself, despite what some would like to believe. People who live here, of either language background, only hurt themselves by trying to deny this fact. And besides, there is no language that can truly do justice to the beauty of Montreal women and the pleasures of their charms.

    After all, isn't that the only thing that really matters here?

    Techman
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    Quote Originally Posted by Techman
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    But that being said, I find it shows a real lack of respect when someone constantly replies to English posts by unilingual English posters, in French. What the hell is the point in replying to someone in a language they cannot hope to understand? Especially when this always seems to lead to a language war on the board. In this case I feel that it is done deliberately and the person just enjoys stirring things up.

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    Very well said! and may I add..vice versa.
    The key word here is "unilingual". IMO, it is o.k to reply to known bilingual posters in either French or English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxima
    Very well said! and may I add..vice versa.
    The key word here is "unilingual". IMO, it is o.k to reply to known bilingual posters in either French or English.
    That is perfectly acceptable to me and it should be to everyone else also. But replying to known unilingual posters from the USA such as EagerBeaver or Special K in French is deliberately disrespectful, rude and confrontational. When someone is seeking information it's useless to give it to them in a language they can't understand.

    And at this point in time after numerous controversies you would think this poster would have been intelligent enough to have gotten the point by now. If the guy continues to do the same thing in the future it should be obvious to everyone that he is only doing it for one reason.

    Techman

    PS: I'd like to add that I have no problem with a poster responding in a different language when he asks for someone to please translate his post due either to his lack of ability or confidence to post in another language. Some people are just shy to post in a language they aren't used to.
    Last edited by Techman; 09-01-2008 at 06:34 PM.
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    Mazingerz, in case you haven't noticed, we are not in Quebec. We are in cyberspace. There are no language laws or OLF Gestapo here. If you can't respond to a question in a way that the poster can understand what the hell is your reason to respond? He can't understand the information you are providing!!!! Are you so dense that you can't understand that?

    It has nothing to do with social status or superiority, it has to do with common decency. Something which you seem to be sorely lacking in.

    And last time I checked, there was no law against speaking English in Quebec. As much as you wish there was.

    As far as respect goes, you don't know the meaning of the word. And you don't deserve my respect.

    Techman
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    I always assumed if an independent SP posts or advertises only in French, she has no desire to meet non-French speaking customers.

    The number of french posts don't really bother me. I will use google translate on entire pages if need be. Its not too bad but you only really get the general idea of what the person is saying. But if people are responding in a different language simply to make a point or out of spite, that is not helpful. Its like asking someone for directions in English and they understand you, then respond in French.
    Last edited by rollingstone; 09-01-2008 at 06:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazingerz
    Ce que tu reviens à dire, c'est que tu considères la langue anglaise d'une classe sociale supérieure au français. Pourquoi eux auraient le droit de nous répondre en anglais à des thread partis en français alors que nous on ne devrait pas le faire? Le respect ça va dans les 2 sens.
    It is sometimes good not to be so stubborn and show more compassion towards other members! It is not a question of submission, it is more a question of respect.

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    Je trouve que le débat s'en va vers quelque chose de triste encore une fois...
    I am beleiving that this exchange is going badly to something sad, just another time....

    M. Mazinger... Je trouve que c'est ben ben plate comment tu es venu répondre en affirmant ton fait francophone et en te bouchant au fait anglophone sur Merb. C'est un manque d'ouverture à ce qui différent de toi... Le fait est que les escortes de Montréal rencontrent des anglophones et des francophones... Donc, le monde des escortes est bilingue, à Montréal....Il n'est pas nécessaire de partir une autre guerre de langue..

    in english: Mr. Mazinger...I am finding really dull you' re coming here responding about your francophone state and to be so not wanting nothing about the english fact on Merb. That to be not open about what it is different of you.. The fact is that escorts of Montreal meeting english and french spokers...So, the world of escorts is bilingual, in Montreal.. It is not necessary to start another language war...


    Mr. Oliver.... I am happy that you made some efforts to exchange in french...You're improving a lot...Did you meet recently someone with whom you could practice french?? ... I did not write : to french...
    That was a little crude, what you're saying, but, that's a good way to continue a new war about the languages... and, that's not necessary...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mazingerz
    Ce que tu reviens à dire, c'est que tu considères la langue anglaise d'une classe sociale supérieure au français. Pourquoi eux auraient le droit de nous répondre en anglais à des thread partis en français alors que nous on ne devrait pas le faire? Le respect ça va dans les 2 sens.

    Vous allez me répondre: parce qu'ils ne la parlent pas. Ça ce n'est pas mon problème. On parle ici d'escorte montréalaise et ça se passe en français ici au Québec. Si ça ne leur plaît pas, ils n'ont qu'à ne pas venir au Québec.

    Je n'ai pas à me justifier du pourquoi je m'exprime à français et je n'ai pas honte de le faire. La majorité du monde ici ont le français comme langue natale alors je m'exprime dans la langue de la majorité.

    Vous voulez faire votre loi. Très bien. Ici au Québec, ce n'est pas à moi de m'exprimer en anglais, c'est à vous de parler en français.

    Pour le reste, tout ce que j'ai à dire, j'ai autant de respect pour les anglophones qu'ils en ont pour nous
    Translation of Mazingerz' post:

    What you just said is that you consider the English language to be superior in social standing to French. Why do they [i.e., anglophones] have the right to respond to us [i.e., francophones] in English in a thread that starts off in French while we are not supposed to do the opposite. Respect works both ways.

    You will probably respond: because they don't speak French. That's not my problem. We're talking about Montreal escorts here and that's a French speaking mileu in Quebec. [CR: please note my use of mileu, an English word borrowed from French. ] If guys don't like that, then they don't have to come to Quebec.

    I don't have to justify myself as to why I write in French and I'm not ashamed to do so. Most people here [in Quebec] speak French as their mother tongue, so I write in the language of the majority.

    You want to make your own law. Fine. Here in Quebec, it's not up to me to express myself in English, it's up to you to speak French.

    As for everything else, all that I have to say is that I have as much respect for anglophones as they have for us.
    Strasser: By the way, the murder of the couriers, what has been done?
    Renault: Realizing the importance of the case, my men are rounding up twice the usual number of suspects.
    Heinze: We already know who the murderer is.
    Strasser: Good. Is he in custody?
    Renault: Oh, there's no hurry. Tonight he'll be at Rick's. Everybody comes to Rick's.

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