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    Prices vs. The Recession, Again

    One of the MODs (probably 8, he seems most active these days) put a stop to a price discussion in a review thread, asking it be moved to The Lounge, and I just saw this comment pop up elsewhere, so I'll take the opportunity to do so.

    Quote Originally Posted by jippprock
    Giselle, who runs FKS for the most part, still does not live in the real world. She thinks this recession is on;y a 3 to 6 week ordeal. She is probably not alone among Sps.. The bottom line is that you are not getting the quality to cost benefit ratio that they you used to. You seem to be paying alot of $$$$$$$ for the girls that are not as hot as they used to be for services that can be better at mid cap agencies like SD or Montreal Sex City. The real hot girls have raised their rates exorbitantly beyond what the Montreal market can bare. Other markets can't bare it either as their recession is even worse. Nadya seems to have some hot units at relatively reasonable prices. I think she might signifigantly steal FKS's market share.
    I don't want to debate the specific pricing of a given agency or girl, if Nadya, or Montreal Sex City or French Kiss Society want to charge whatever for whoever, the question for me is 'why the bitter lambasts on this board'?

    It is entirely the business owner's decision, be it a retail shop or escort agency, to determine the price of an item up for sale, based presumably on analysis of their monthly gross revenue.

    Given that this is the high season for escorts (they get a lot of xmas party calls), I'm assuming they are keeping prices high to make as much as possible, knowing full well that the low season of January-February is going to be very low indeed. Whether this works out for them, or any other company in the open market remains to be seen.

    However, the seemingly constant 'demands' on this board that prices go down for agencies and massage parlours seems silly. Availing oneself of a sex provider is a luxury. If you can't afford it, too bad. Do without. As I understand it there are pictures of naked girls to be found on this new thing called The Internet (maybe you've heard of it?), looking at them can bring manual relief I'm told.

    This year, I can't afford another Yalos Diamond LCD ($162,000) for the bedroom nor a new Bugatti ($1.4 million), I will have to make do with the old one, but you don't see me, or anyone whining about those prices on review boards.

    I wonder why it is people here think they have some inherent right to cheaper prices for beautiful women to come fuck them for an hour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouVantOption
    I wonder why it is people here think they have some inherent right to cheaper prices for beautiful women to come fuck them for an hour.
    in all seriousness i think that's the more interesting discussion. since whining about the prices has yet to shed light on the root of the animosity, i'll ask the magic ?'n...

    'why does a guy bitch and moan when a girl advertises a price he thinks is too expensive?'
    • was he raised as a spoiled child and now he is upset he can't get what he wants?
    • is he jealous the girl makes more than him?
    • is he a woman hater and is jealous the girl makes more than him?
    • is it because his self-esteem is directly related to how much money he has, so the ever increasing price for sex upsets him which causes him to lash out anonymously on a chat board?
    • does he think everyone else should think like him?
    • are the price increases magnifying the deep psychological inner conflict pitting his wants & desires against the moral tenets he was raised under?
    • or, to paraphrase yvo, does he think he possesses some inherent right to cheaper prices so a beautiful woman will fuck him for an hour?
    i'm very interested in hearing other possible reasons why guys whine...
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouVantOption
    As I understand it there are pictures of naked girls to be found on this new thing called The Internet (maybe you've heard of it?)
    huh? the inter...what?

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    From my understanding, there has always been and will always be some whiners when it comes to the prices.

    From my understanding, there will always be people who will be ready to do anything (shill, lie, bitch, whine, bargain, threaten etc) to have lower prices.

    From my understanding, the girls who ask for higher donations have a different and regular clientele base.

    From my understanding, the girls who ask for higher donations do just fine booking the time they allow to "escorting".

    From my understanding, the girls who ask for higher donations often have other tools to survive in this world besides "escorting".

    From my understanding, unless the entire regular HDH clientele goes broke and the girls all end up with less than 1-2 requests per month and they all run out of other options to make a living and accept to give more for less... Maybe there are some scientific proofs that this might happen before 2012 in the Mayan calendar...

    In difficult financial times, men will still need sex reliefs, TLC, and maybe even more than usual.

    One other thing I know, is there will be more supply in difficult economic times and maybe for less $$. Then the whiners can have something to feed on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daringly
    There is no point in holding back, so how do you really feel

    Holding back where? Feel about what?

    I let the whiners whine as always and think : "if you only knew....". That's how I feel!

    Somehow, I am starting to see a link between the people who predict the drop the of rates and the ones who predict the end of the world... forseeing the worst, trying to scare people to easily manipulate them.
    Last edited by Lilly Lombard; 12-14-2008 at 06:08 PM.

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    Is the recession effecting prices?

    I think that the effects of the recession is just starting to be felt in Montreal. The news is bad all around us, but it is not as bad as it is in the American cities. Prices have been pushed down in general. The big box stores are getting rid of their inventories so that they will not be stuck with it after Chistmas. Better to discount 40% now than to discount 75% after Chistmas.
    Has the bad economy effected prices in the SP and MP world. In my personal experience I will tell you that I have seen a few examples discounting and agmentation of services. A few weeks ago there was a massage parlour advertised in the Craigslist offering a $10 discount + a $10 gas card + a shaving which she usualy charges $30. This means that the usual $50 entrance fee for the salon is offset if the client takes full advantage of the offer. I have seen a few other specials and discounts offered in the Craigslist and other online advertising site. So the situation is to work less or to work for less. The question was previously asked if we as hobbyist consumers can pay less because of the recession, I say that some SPs and MPs are already offering more for the same price.

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    From my understanding, not all women in this industry wants to go for the mass (and will accept to do so).

    From my understanding, agencies and massage parlors do target the mass.

    From my understanding, some men do not want to go where the mass has been.



    Furthermore,

    From my understanding, even in difficult economic times, there will always be someone who will spend a little more on a special treat, especially if it helps them get away from their stress.

    From my understanding, everyone will be living this financial crisis differently depending on where they are from, what is their main income source, what their financial planification has been overtime.

    From my understanding, there will always be 1 or 2 people each month who will be seeking something (or someone) specific.

    From my understanding, if the economy is collapsing, the gasoline price goes down, the interest rates remain low, it will always be possible to have a normal life even with less demands and not gathering to the mass.



    And then, if the ladies do not feel comfortable to whatever is their own reality (less demand, less money, etc) they will decide what to do next accordingly (lower rates, find another job etc).



    It's not all about adapting the rates, it's mostly about adapting our way of living.

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    Last edited by Lilly Lombard; 12-14-2008 at 07:29 PM.

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    $15 Dances

    I am not a strip club guy, however I know that in several places that they were pushing the price up to $15 a dance.

    I think if they were able to hold that price and more clubs are charging this higher fee, then you may conclude that people will pay what the going rate is.

    However if the higher priced clubs were not able to hold the higher price, I think they got the message that the public will not absorb these higher fees.

    If someone could give us an indication on what's happening in the clubs, I think that it might be consistant with where prices are going for MP's & SP's. whether to hold prices or reduce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTA refugee
    In my personal experience I will tell you that I have seen a few examples discounting and agmentation of services. A few weeks ago there was a massage parlour advertised in the Craigslist offering a $10 discount + a $10 gas card + a shaving which she usualy charges $30. This means that the usual $50 entrance fee for the salon is offset if the client takes full advantage of the offer.

    I spoke with the owner of this place and her feeling is that there are too many MP's fighting for a reducing clientel. If the majority of the salons offer a similar service she believes a price reduction will allow her to weather the recession better than most.

    Btw, this short term discount to bring people to her place seems to be more longterm than her original plan. I still see the special advertised.
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    Lilly>>>> I so completely agree with you. I wanted to put in my two cents worth on this thread but it seems you took the words right out of my mouth (uh, hands? uh, keyboard?) You read my mind! that's it! That's the ticket!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilly Lombard
    From my understanding, everyone will be living this financial crisis differently depending on where they are from, what is their main income source, what their financial planification has been overtime.

    From my understanding, if the economy is collapsing, the gasoline price goes down, the interest rates remain low, it will always be possible to have a normal life even with less demands and not gathering to the mass.
    Well, while I am arguing completely that your prices are your own business, frankly your understanding of economics may be a tad shy of complete. People's savings, their 'planification' (sic) are gone or severly downsized from what they were only a few months ago.

    People's spending doesn't stop on a dime, but La Source is closing after Christmas (their parent company Circuit City is bankrupt), Office Depot laid of 20,000 workers and are closing 25% of their stores, and there are tons of other layoffs happening too. I guarantee you it is going to be a long cold winter for a lot of people, and the economy is going to have a cascade effect on everyone, including you Lily.

    I have a customer at work, a retailer of high-end items, they are in deep deep doo-doo. Even rich folks are feeling the pinch, and becoming very cautious about how they spend their money.

    Watch the reports of Christmas retail revenues, after the holidays.

    I suggest you take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_depression

    Canada
    Harshly impacted by both the global economic downturn and the Dust Bowl, Canadian industrial production had fallen to only 58% of the 1929 level by 1932, the second lowest level in the world after the United States, and well behind nations such as Britain, which saw it fall only to 83% of the 1929 level. Total national income fell to 56% of the 1929 level, again worse than any nation apart from the United States.

    and

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression_in_Canada

    Canada was hit hard by the Great Depression. Between 1929 and 1933, the gross national product dropped 40% (compared to 37% in the US). Unemployment reached 27% at the depth of the Depression in 1933. Many businesses closed, as corporate profits of $396 million in 1929 turned into losses of $98 million in 1933. Families saw most or all of their assets disappear, and their debts become heavier as prices fell. Canadian exports shrank by 50% from 1929 to 1933. Worst hit were areas dependent on primary industries such as farming, mining and logging, as prices fell and there were few alternative jobs.

    If you care to look at what a Nobel prize winner says about where we are headed, check out http://krugmanonline.com/
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    By the way, it would please me to no end to be completely, totally and utterly wrong about where I think the economy is going, but I really do think we are all going to be in the shitter, not just a recession but a real depression, the likes of which no-one on this board has seen in their lifetime. A real 1930s tent-city in Central Park kind of thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilly Lombard
    Somehow, something tells me that an old lady who never suscribed to the stock market, who never trusted the banks and always hid all her money into "holes in the wall" and "under her mattress" and who's house is fully paid, who only spends for a little bit of grocery, somehow, I think she is doing fine and has enough money to get through this crisis...
    I think most old ladies have their money in RRIFs which are now worth half what they were. Plus, in terms of spending power, and economic confidence, it is people 30-50 that drive such things, and they are the ones getting laid off.

    I don't know if things will be worse than the 30s, I sure as hell hope not, but it won't shock me to find out that they come close, and perhaps for longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilly Lombard
    . I do not think it's the independents that will lower their rates, but I do believe it will affect the agencies as they have more girls to supply.
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    The well established independants, with a higher end clientel and a consistant return clientel, will not likely have to lower their rates however it is likely that some fall off will occur. Even during the housing crisis in the US the higher end homes didn't suffer with the same erosion as the mid to lower level homes.

    Those independants that are new and fully rely on the sp business to live will be in the most jeopardy.

    The agencies are the ones where it will be interesting to see what happens, because they are competing for the small larger pool of clients and price competition will likely heat up. I believe both the girls and the agencies will have to adjust to a new reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouVantOption
    By the way, it would please me to no end to be completely, totally and utterly wrong about where I think the economy is going, but I really do think we are all going to be in the shitter, not just a recession but a real depression, the likes of which no-one on this board has seen in their lifetime. A real 1930s tent-city in Central Park kind of thing.
    It sure looks like it might be that bad, if so maybe some of us will have other things to worry about than the price of escorts!

    But if it is that bad, anyone with money for such luxuries is bound to be spoiled for choice.
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