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Prices vs. The Recession, Again

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One of the MODs (probably 8, he seems most active these days) put a stop to a price discussion in a review thread, asking it be moved to The Lounge, and I just saw this comment pop up elsewhere, so I'll take the opportunity to do so.

jippprock said:
Giselle, who runs FKS for the most part, still does not live in the real world. She thinks this recession is on;y a 3 to 6 week ordeal. She is probably not alone among Sps.. The bottom line is that you are not getting the quality to cost benefit ratio that they you used to. You seem to be paying alot of $$$$$$$ for the girls that are not as hot as they used to be for services that can be better at mid cap agencies like SD or Montreal Sex City. The real hot girls have raised their rates exorbitantly beyond what the Montreal market can bare. Other markets can't bare it either as their recession is even worse. Nadya seems to have some hot units at relatively reasonable prices. I think she might signifigantly steal FKS's market share.

I don't want to debate the specific pricing of a given agency or girl, if Nadya, or Montreal Sex City or French Kiss Society want to charge whatever for whoever, the question for me is 'why the bitter lambasts on this board'?

It is entirely the business owner's decision, be it a retail shop or escort agency, to determine the price of an item up for sale, based presumably on analysis of their monthly gross revenue.

Given that this is the high season for escorts (they get a lot of xmas party calls), I'm assuming they are keeping prices high to make as much as possible, knowing full well that the low season of January-February is going to be very low indeed. Whether this works out for them, or any other company in the open market remains to be seen.

However, the seemingly constant 'demands' on this board that prices go down for agencies and massage parlours seems silly. Availing oneself of a sex provider is a luxury. If you can't afford it, too bad. Do without. As I understand it there are pictures of naked girls to be found on this new thing called The Internet (maybe you've heard of it?), looking at them can bring manual relief I'm told.

This year, I can't afford another Yalos Diamond LCD ($162,000) for the bedroom nor a new Bugatti ($1.4 million), I will have to make do with the old one, but you don't see me, or anyone whining about those prices on review boards.

I wonder why it is people here think they have some inherent right to cheaper prices for beautiful women to come fuck them for an hour.
 

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YouVantOption said:
I wonder why it is people here think they have some inherent right to cheaper prices for beautiful women to come fuck them for an hour.
in all seriousness i think that's the more interesting discussion. since whining about the prices has yet to shed light on the root of the animosity, i'll ask the magic ?'n...

'why does a guy bitch and moan when a girl advertises a price he thinks is too expensive?'
  • was he raised as a spoiled child and now he is upset he can't get what he wants?
  • is he jealous the girl makes more than him?
  • is he a woman hater and is jealous the girl makes more than him?
  • is it because his self-esteem is directly related to how much money he has, so the ever increasing price for sex upsets him which causes him to lash out anonymously on a chat board?
  • does he think everyone else should think like him?
  • are the price increases magnifying the deep psychological inner conflict pitting his wants & desires against the moral tenets he was raised under?
  • or, to paraphrase yvo, does he think he possesses some inherent right to cheaper prices so a beautiful woman will fuck him for an hour?
i'm very interested in hearing other possible reasons why guys whine...
 
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YouVantOption said:
As I understand it there are pictures of naked girls to be found on this new thing called The Internet (maybe you've heard of it?)
huh? the inter...what?
 

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From my understanding, there has always been and will always be some whiners when it comes to the prices.

From my understanding, there will always be people who will be ready to do anything (shill, lie, bitch, whine, bargain, threaten etc) to have lower prices.

From my understanding, the girls who ask for higher donations have a different and regular clientele base.

From my understanding, the girls who ask for higher donations do just fine booking the time they allow to "escorting".

From my understanding, the girls who ask for higher donations often have other tools to survive in this world besides "escorting".

From my understanding, unless the entire regular HDH clientele goes broke and the girls all end up with less than 1-2 requests per month and they all run out of other options to make a living and accept to give more for less... Maybe there are some scientific proofs that this might happen before 2012 in the Mayan calendar...

In difficult financial times, men will still need sex reliefs, TLC, and maybe even more than usual.

One other thing I know, is there will be more supply in difficult economic times and maybe for less $$. Then the whiners can have something to feed on. ;)
 

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Daringly said:
There is no point in holding back, so how do you really feel:)


Holding back where? Feel about what?

I let the whiners whine as always and think : "if you only knew....". That's how I feel!

Somehow, I am starting to see a link between the people who predict the drop the of rates and the ones who predict the end of the world... forseeing the worst, trying to scare people to easily manipulate them.
 
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Is the recession effecting prices?

I think that the effects of the recession is just starting to be felt in Montreal. The news is bad all around us, but it is not as bad as it is in the American cities. Prices have been pushed down in general. The big box stores are getting rid of their inventories so that they will not be stuck with it after Chistmas. Better to discount 40% now than to discount 75% after Chistmas.
Has the bad economy effected prices in the SP and MP world. In my personal experience I will tell you that I have seen a few examples discounting and agmentation of services. A few weeks ago there was a massage parlour advertised in the Craigslist offering a $10 discount + a $10 gas card + a shaving which she usualy charges $30. This means that the usual $50 entrance fee for the salon is offset if the client takes full advantage of the offer. I have seen a few other specials and discounts offered in the Craigslist and other online advertising site. So the situation is to work less or to work for less. The question was previously asked if we as hobbyist consumers can pay less because of the recession, I say that some SPs and MPs are already offering more for the same price.
 

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From my understanding, not all women in this industry wants to go for the mass (and will accept to do so).

From my understanding, agencies and massage parlors do target the mass.

From my understanding, some men do not want to go where the mass has been. :eek:



Furthermore,

From my understanding, even in difficult economic times, there will always be someone who will spend a little more on a special treat, especially if it helps them get away from their stress.

From my understanding, everyone will be living this financial crisis differently depending on where they are from, what is their main income source, what their financial planification has been overtime.

From my understanding, there will always be 1 or 2 people each month who will be seeking something (or someone) specific.

From my understanding, if the economy is collapsing, the gasoline price goes down, the interest rates remain low, it will always be possible to have a normal life even with less demands and not gathering to the mass.



And then, if the ladies do not feel comfortable to whatever is their own reality (less demand, less money, etc) they will decide what to do next accordingly (lower rates, find another job etc).



It's not all about adapting the rates, it's mostly about adapting our way of living.

Ok, I'm out! ... I hate Sundays! :(
 
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Just_Jay

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$15 Dances

I am not a strip club guy, however I know that in several places that they were pushing the price up to $15 a dance.

I think if they were able to hold that price and more clubs are charging this higher fee, then you may conclude that people will pay what the going rate is.

However if the higher priced clubs were not able to hold the higher price, I think they got the message that the public will not absorb these higher fees.

If someone could give us an indication on what's happening in the clubs, I think that it might be consistant with where prices are going for MP's & SP's. whether to hold prices or reduce.
 

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In my personal experience I will tell you that I have seen a few examples discounting and agmentation of services. A few weeks ago there was a massage parlour advertised in the Craigslist offering a $10 discount + a $10 gas card + a shaving which she usualy charges $30. This means that the usual $50 entrance fee for the salon is offset if the client takes full advantage of the offer.


I spoke with the owner of this place and her feeling is that there are too many MP's fighting for a reducing clientel. If the majority of the salons offer a similar service she believes a price reduction will allow her to weather the recession better than most.

Btw, this short term discount to bring people to her place seems to be more longterm than her original plan. I still see the special advertised.
 
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Lilly>>>> I so completely agree with you. I wanted to put in my two cents worth on this thread but it seems you took the words right out of my mouth (uh, hands? uh, keyboard?) You read my mind! that's it! That's the ticket!

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Lilly Lombard said:
From my understanding, everyone will be living this financial crisis differently depending on where they are from, what is their main income source, what their financial planification has been overtime.

From my understanding, if the economy is collapsing, the gasoline price goes down, the interest rates remain low, it will always be possible to have a normal life even with less demands and not gathering to the mass.

Well, while I am arguing completely that your prices are your own business, frankly your understanding of economics may be a tad shy of complete. People's savings, their 'planification' (sic) are gone or severly downsized from what they were only a few months ago.

People's spending doesn't stop on a dime, but La Source is closing after Christmas (their parent company Circuit City is bankrupt), Office Depot laid of 20,000 workers and are closing 25% of their stores, and there are tons of other layoffs happening too. I guarantee you it is going to be a long cold winter for a lot of people, and the economy is going to have a cascade effect on everyone, including you Lily.

I have a customer at work, a retailer of high-end items, they are in deep deep doo-doo. Even rich folks are feeling the pinch, and becoming very cautious about how they spend their money.

Watch the reports of Christmas retail revenues, after the holidays.

I suggest you take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_depression

Canada
Harshly impacted by both the global economic downturn and the Dust Bowl, Canadian industrial production had fallen to only 58% of the 1929 level by 1932, the second lowest level in the world after the United States, and well behind nations such as Britain, which saw it fall only to 83% of the 1929 level. Total national income fell to 56% of the 1929 level, again worse than any nation apart from the United States.

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression_in_Canada

Canada was hit hard by the Great Depression. Between 1929 and 1933, the gross national product dropped 40% (compared to 37% in the US). Unemployment reached 27% at the depth of the Depression in 1933. Many businesses closed, as corporate profits of $396 million in 1929 turned into losses of $98 million in 1933. Families saw most or all of their assets disappear, and their debts become heavier as prices fell. Canadian exports shrank by 50% from 1929 to 1933. Worst hit were areas dependent on primary industries such as farming, mining and logging, as prices fell and there were few alternative jobs.

If you care to look at what a Nobel prize winner says about where we are headed, check out http://krugmanonline.com/
 

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By the way, it would please me to no end to be completely, totally and utterly wrong about where I think the economy is going, but I really do think we are all going to be in the shitter, not just a recession but a real depression, the likes of which no-one on this board has seen in their lifetime. A real 1930s tent-city in Central Park kind of thing.
 

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Lilly Lombard said:
Somehow, something tells me that an old lady who never suscribed to the stock market, who never trusted the banks and always hid all her money into "holes in the wall" and "under her mattress" and who's house is fully paid, who only spends for a little bit of grocery, somehow, I think she is doing fine and has enough money to get through this crisis...

I think most old ladies have their money in RRIFs which are now worth half what they were. Plus, in terms of spending power, and economic confidence, it is people 30-50 that drive such things, and they are the ones getting laid off.

I don't know if things will be worse than the 30s, I sure as hell hope not, but it won't shock me to find out that they come close, and perhaps for longer.
 

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Lilly Lombard said:
. I do not think it's the independents that will lower their rates, but I do believe it will affect the agencies as they have more girls to supply.
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The well established independants, with a higher end clientel and a consistant return clientel, will not likely have to lower their rates however it is likely that some fall off will occur. Even during the housing crisis in the US the higher end homes didn't suffer with the same erosion as the mid to lower level homes.

Those independants that are new and fully rely on the sp business to live will be in the most jeopardy.

The agencies are the ones where it will be interesting to see what happens, because they are competing for the small larger pool of clients and price competition will likely heat up. I believe both the girls and the agencies will have to adjust to a new reality.
 

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YouVantOption said:
By the way, it would please me to no end to be completely, totally and utterly wrong about where I think the economy is going, but I really do think we are all going to be in the shitter, not just a recession but a real depression, the likes of which no-one on this board has seen in their lifetime. A real 1930s tent-city in Central Park kind of thing.

It sure looks like it might be that bad, if so maybe some of us will have other things to worry about than the price of escorts!

But if it is that bad, anyone with money for such luxuries is bound to be spoiled for choice.
 

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Lily,

What you are saying is that there will always be wealthy clients that will pay your rates. I am sure that is true. The vast majority of hobbyist are visiting the lower or middle level service providers. There is no doubt that some of these middle and lower level service providers are offering more for same price than they were previously providing. All you have to do is look in Craigslist and other online advertising sites, you will find quite a few SPECIALS.
There may be people that have squirelled away small fortunes, and their relatives have found it when they pass into the next world. It is because they were careful with their money. They did not visit high priced SPs that they could not afford. Even if they were able to afford the higher prices SPs, they chose to stuff it into a matress. Even though Canada has been spared the brunt of the recession, the average Joe was worried about heating his hous this winter when gas was up to $1.39 this summer. Now that gas has gone down in price, the news that the auto sector may be in trouble is possible a sign of things to come. Not all your clients post on this board, but ther is a good sampling of who the average hobbyist is.
 

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Amazing

I have keep a low profile lately here, comming but from time to time to read what is in the mind of my fellow depraved collegues;)

Yet I just can not pass on this one, I do not get it at all, who the heck is winning about prices for PAID SEX!!!!!

Really? Does any of those winning really and trully think that because they complain here, the Supreme SP Counsel will sit on special session and decree that all SPs, HDH or not, should ajust their pricing in accordance to the wishes of the said complainer????

Really???? Come on!!!!



You do not like to pay $10K to get your rocks off by a Porn Star......
Fine there are $1K options


You thiink $1k is a ridiculous amount of money to pay to get some TLC ...
OK there are $500 options


You consider that paying $500 for someone to set your sprinkler on is just not rigth......

Good for you! there are $200 options

You judge that you could do more with $200 than seeing Mr. Happy, well, happy!..............
Lucky you there are $100 options (personally would not recomend them but heck there are options)

You have arrived to the final conclusion: No matter what amount of money, it is just too much in these tough economic times, to ask you to pay any amount of money to service you..........


YES, You still have options!!!!!!

Mr Happy, allow me to introduce to my rigth hand (or left when applicable) :p



Now stop wining and go get yourself off

CJ
 
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Lilly Lombard said:
Ok, I have to ask because now I really wonder... when an sp already offers most of the famous acronyms, what is there "more" to offer? Maybe they are selling their souls or their 1st new born for 180$ too? :rolleyes:


Lily,

You are talking as if this thread refers to you personaly, get of the ME, Myself and I. High horse for a minute. This thread is is refering to SPs and MPs in general. There are several ads in the Cragslist that offer much more than was previously offered. As I mentioned there is a massage salon that is offering a $10 discount + a $10 gas card + a $30 shaving. A $50 advantage over their regular prices and the prices of other massage salons. I have seen ads on the CL that offer SPECIAL first time prices. This week I went to see a new lady for a massage and when I took my shower after the massage, she offered to assist me in this endeavor, which was quite a pleasant surprise. She is offering the shower assist to encourage a return clientele.
What more can a SP offer? Lets see. More time, more attentiveness, more entertainment as in maybe a dildo show, more eye candy as in fashionable clothing and sexy lingery, more activities as in one SP offered me a GS but I opted for a GS visual rather than participation in the actual GS.......................... or maybe all of the above. Not to mention offering a better rate. That is all happening all around you. Wake up and smell your $6 Starbucks mocka latte capachino!
 
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It is said that those who are able to best adjust to change will be the ones to survive.. and if it is true that girls have a hard time downsizing, I am damned happy I spent so long on the streets! :eek:

Nothing is downsizing to me, all I really care about is the roof over my head... worst case senario, ditch the cable, use candles more (I managed to learn how to make them, cook with them, and heat with them while living outside in sometimes -40 weather...:cool: )

And hard work may be ... hard... but hell, it is easier than living on the streets.

So for the times of recession / depression... lower the rates, work more, cut back on extreme luxuries and take a pic of that Starbucks Venti Mocha.... I already switched to Timmies and Starbucks is a memory for now.... but do not under any circumstances sell your soul, nor that of your first born :eek: . There are many other solutions before going that low.
 

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Tracy said:
but do not under any circumstances sell your soul, nor that of your first born :eek: . There are many other solutions before going that low.


I still find the thought amusing!

Soon, on top of working the streets a girl might have to sell her first born and his soul seprately in order to meet month ends.

I suggest we all manage to save enough money for a plane ticket out of here in case of financial distress; instead of the Montreal streets at -40, we should head to a shantytown on some caribbean island! We might be poor, but at least we won't freeze outside! :D
 
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