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A new law has come into force in Norway making the purchase of sex illegal.

Norwegian citizens caught paying for prostitutes at home or abroad could face a hefty fine or a six-month prison sentence, authorities say.

So, to get this straight, Norway thinks it is 'ok' to support the war in Iraq, rampantly kill species in danger of becoming extinct (whales), but buying a little nookie on the side is 'bad'. Nice place. Bloody vikings.
 

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I've had several conversations with Norwegians about this, particularly those visiting Germany for the hobby.

Yes, if proven that they were indulging in this practice overseas they can be arrested at home. It can be a means of blackmailing someone, if one were so inclined.

You can be sure that a lot of Norwegians overseas are going to try to pass themselves off as Swedish or Danish.

Blame this on the strong feminists in their government.
 

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According to my Norwegian...

YouVantOption said:
Interesting comment, given that many modern feminists actually support women in their choice to be sex workers. Could it not be fundamentalist religious jerks?
... friends, its because the feminists consider paid sex to be violence towards women.

I have read that in Sweden they take the same point of view. Whats weird there is that women can advertise their services and aren't arrested. Any customers who avail of these services though are automatically considered to be breaking the law.

I don't know though if they take the same extreme point of view that they do in Norway in pursuing their citizens overseas.

In other countries, Germany, for example, feminists take the point of view that women should be able to determine what they do with their bodies. If they want to sell sex services, that is fine... so long as they derive all of the benefits from it. D. h. pimping is illegal since there is someone else who is taking advantage of her.

There is a small town, Dierdorf, between Bonn and Frankfurt which has a pretty good brothel. The mayor, I've been told, is a diehard feminist and personally encouraged the establishment of the brothel.

Speaking of Norway and Sweden, it seems that they have stereotypes and prejudices in one country about the inhabitants of the other. These are stereotypes and prejudices you have no understand of if you aren't either Norwegian or Swedish.
 

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It is just political correctness, another opportunity to vilify men. I do not like the notion that governments think that they own citizens, and can punish them for things they do elsewhere. Going to the third world to have sex with kids is one thing, I can see punishing them in the home country for that, on the basis that the visited country is not able to enforce it, but that it is a universally bad thing.

But putting them in jail for doing something that is legal in the visited country, when the visited country is a country with as high a standard of living as theirs? Norwegian men must be severe pussies to accept that.
 

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Now this is, indeed, strange

10-19 said:
You're halfway there. The debate on prostitution is polarized by activists for decriminalization and abolitionists. Though radically opposite in their understanding of the issues, both activists and abolitionists claim to be feminists.
Funny how both of them can wave the same flag!
 

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What will be the effects of this law?

Will there be an increase in sexual assaults? Will there be an increase in drunkeness and street violence? I predict now the law is in effect, that the country will go almost 100% dry because no one will want to be the first one caught under this law. Selling or buying.
 

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The theory in legalizing...

GTA refugee said:
Will there be an increase in sexual assaults? Will there be an increase in drunkeness and street violence? I predict now the law is in effect, that the country will go almost 100% dry because no one will want to be the first one caught under this law. Selling or buying.
... prostitution is that sexual assaults do decrease.

I don't know about its effect on drunkness and street violence though or even its theoretical effect on both.

It would be interesting to see what the statistics reveal though.

Take Germany and the Netherlands where prostitution is legal and the USA where it isn't. Or take Canada for that matter.

Without even looking this up, its almost certain that the USA has a higher level of violent crime than any of these two countries.

Could this be because of the higher level of sexual tension and repression? If American men had more ways of expending this tension, would they be mellower?
 

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jackyo8193 said:
... prostitution is that sexual assaults do decrease.

I don't know about its effect on drunkness and street violence though or even its theoretical effect on both.

It would be interesting to see what the statistics reveal though.

Take Germany and the Netherlands where prostitution is legal and the USA where it isn't. Or take Canada for that matter.

Without even looking this up, its almost certain that the USA has a higher level of violent crime than any of these two countries.

Could this be because of the higher level of sexual tension and repression? If American men had more ways of expending this tension, would they be mellower?

Compare the gun laws in Germany and the Netherlands to the USA and you may have your answer.
 

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Compare the gun laws in Germany and the Netherlands to the USA and you may have your answer.

Laws are for those who obey the laws. Im pretty sure someone bent on breaking the law won't be all that concerned about having an illegal gun. Besides, we are talking about sexual assaults here...what's the percentage of those committed by someone with a gun? Im guessing someone with a knife would be more common in a sexual assault.

25% of all rape, sexual assault, robbery, and aggravated assault involved use of a handgun. When convicted of rape, less than 0.5% are also convicted of additional weapons charges.

interesting link

“In 2006, three-quarters of all violent crime victims were attacked by people without any weapons at all. Knives, clubs and other blunt instruments were used against 9.2 per cent of victims, while guns were used against only 2.4 percent. Knives were used to commit more murders, robberies, sexual assaults and assaults than guns.”

“In December 2006, I released unpublished Statistics Canada tables showing that of the total homicides committed between 1997 and 2005, only 2.27 percent were committed with a registered gun,” explains Breitkreuz. “Only 1.21 percent were committed with a firearm registered to the accused murderer, and 2.14 percent were committed by a person that held a valid firearms licence (see link below). Obviously, law-abiding gun owners aren’t the problem and yet the Government of Ontario and the City of Toronto want to ban the handguns owned by honest citizens.
 

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YouVantOption said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7806760.stm
So, to get this straight, Norway thinks it is 'ok' to support the war in Iraq, rampantly kill species in danger of becoming extinct (whales), but buying a little nookie on the side is 'bad'. Nice place. Bloody vikings.

Hello all,

It's about prostitution...nothing else. "The Norwegian authorities say they want to stamp out sex tourism and street prostitution by targeting clients rather than prostitutes." What's the matter? Do you really think what we do around here is a fine and beautiful thing...lol. Yeah, I might be a hypocrite on this, but as I have said many times in the past I've never deluded myself into thinking there's nothing wrong with the sex industry and/or me. If you ever thought this was about two adults making a lucid and sensible business deal you've been dreaming. Clients most often are hurting for something missing in their lives, not just out for a unique experience. Nearly all prostitutes and escorts have previous negative issues to widely varying degrees that have led them to this work.

So now the Norwegians want to fight the sex trade and some of you seem to feel your lifestyle is threatened or it will be more risky to get some nookie. Well hell, I was never so far gone as to ever think the hobby was a truly "good thing" for anyone. But I guess some of you have actually absolved yourselves of any responsibility for any of the inherent problems the ladies face in the industry. Geeeeez, get over it. This is not a harmless and innocent activity. If you want to hobby then realize that and try not to make it worse than it is. But it sure isn't sexual utopia. Of course street prostitution should be cleaned up, as well as the whole industry. I may not agree the Norwegians are using the best means, but if you think their general goal is a bad thing then your self-indulgence and selfishness has gone too far.

Bravo Norwegians,

Merlot (proud hereditary Norman-VIKING!)
 
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Merlot said:
Hello all,

It's about prostitution...nothing else.... ... What's the matter? Do you really think what we do around here is a fine and beautiful thing... ... Nearly all prostitutes and escorts have previous negative issues to widely varying degrees that have led them to this work.

... This is not a harmless and innocent activity... ... if you think their general goal is a bad thing then your self-indulgence and selfishness has gone too far.

Bravo Norwegians,

Merlot (proud hereditary Norman-VIKING!)
GG, get out of this body! I COMMAND YOU!!!

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There is only one way to settle this.

We will get the Danish feminist on one side of a sports stadium, and the German feminist will be on the other side. They will all be issues a sproingy latex dildo as a weapon and a butt plug. The objective of the free for all is to subdue the opponent into submission and if an opponent has successed in inserting the butt plug into a memeber of the opposing team, then this member will be deemed to be out of the match. The team with the last memeber standing will win.

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So, to get this straight, Norway thinks it is 'ok' to support the war in Iraq, rampantly kill species in danger of becoming extinct (whales), but buying a little nookie on the side is 'bad'. Nice place. Bloody vikings.

Is it now any more "against the law" in Norway than it currently is in most of the US ?

Does seem a step backwards except the bit about child prostitution.
 

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Yes, it is more "against the law"..

Possum Trot said:
Is it now any more "against the law" in Norway than it currently is in most of the US ?

Does seem a step backwards except the bit about child prostitution.
.. in Norway than in the US.

My Norwegian friends have said that the police there can use any means including wire tapping to determine if you use these services.

They can extend that "long arm of the law" to include overseas activity.

All prostitution comes under this umbrella. I can understand the bit about child prostitution but to cover all prostitution is a bit extreme, don't you think?

And if someone has information on you indulging in the hobby overseas, you can be blackmailed. That person can go to the police with that information and have you arrested.

Norwegian punters are keeping a very low profile going forwards, you can be sure.

(I am not Norwegian, by the way. Thank goodness!)
 

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Immediate openings available in Montreal for all attractive Norwegian ladies who are tired of having "the man" rain down on their parade.

I will post that ad in all the local newspapers in Norway. Maybe it will bring us some new talent.


If paying for sex is now illegal over there, I wonder if people are getting around this law by NOT paying... I mean if you have sex with an SP and then leave without paying, did you really break the law?

BD :)
 

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Guys, go ahead and make fun of the repressive anti-male prostitution laws in Norway and Sweden but, as I have previously pointed out (here and here), it is a realistic posibility that we will see such laws in the U.S. someday soon.

Hello all,

Something like it has existed against child prostitution overseas.

Found this:

Red Light for Sex Tourists
Armed with new legislation and funds, the U.S. government and aid groups are ratcheting up the war against the child-sex-tourism trade and its American clients

By Murray Hiebert/WASHINGTON
Issue cover-dated April 22, 2004

VISITORS FLYING INTO Phnom Penh and Bangkok later this year will be greeted at both airports by new billboards bearing stark warnings of the penalties awaiting child-sex tourists. "Abuse a child in this country, go to jail in yours," reads one message, alongside a photograph of a man behind bars and a sign saying "sex tourist." The billboards will be another front in the mounting United States government-led war against American child-sex tourists and U.S. travel agencies that promote sex holidays overseas.

In February, the two owners of Big Apple Oriental Tours in New York were charged in the first indictment against a U.S. sex-tourism company for violating a state law prohibiting the promotion of prostitution. They face up to seven years in jail if convicted. Big Apple`s brochures had offered a 12-day trip to the Philippines for $2,495 and promised "plenty of young women to keep you occupied for the whole trip."

Last September, Michael Clark, 69, became the first American charged with child-sex-tourism offences under the Protect Act passed by Congress in 2003. Clark, who subsequently pleaded guilty, was arrested in Seattle as he stepped off a flight from Asia. He had been arrested in Cambodia and extradited for having sex with two boys, aged 10 and 13. Four other American men have since been arrested on similar charges under the new law, including an 85-year-old California man arrested at Los Angeles airport and accused of planning to fly to the Philippines to have sex with two pre-teen girls.

U.S. officials say other investigations are under way and arrests are expected. "We want to send a message loud and clear that international borders no longer shield child-sex predators from the law," Michael Garcia, the Department of Homeland Security`s assistant secretary for immigration and customs enforcement, told a congressional hearing in March.

No one knows the exact scope of the problem. The United Nations Children`s Fund (Unicef) estimates that about 2 million children are involved in the sex trade worldwide. John Miller, who heads the U.S. State Department`s Office to Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons, figures that 800,000-900,000 children and adults around the world are trafficked across borders into the sex trade or forced labour each year. "We know that sex tourism is a major driver of child prostitution," Miller says.

The U.S. government`s stepped-up crackdown on child prostitution and sex tourism in the past year is due, at least in part, to mounting pressure from American human-rights and religious groups. President George W. Bush, in a speech to the UN General Assembly last September, said there is "a special evil in the abuse and exploitation of the most innocent and vulnerable."
The Protect Act, under which Clark and the four other alleged paedophiles were arrested, makes it a crime for a U.S. citizen to travel abroad for the purpose of having sex with children. The new law boosts the maximum penalty for having sex with minors from 15 to 30 years in jail, and prosecutors only have to prove that the defendant engaged in child-sex offences overseas, not that he left the U.S. with that intent, as was the case under earlier laws. U.S. law regards anyone aged below 18 as a minor.
Last July, the Department of Homeland Security established Operation Predator, a law-enforcement body aimed at protecting children at home and abroad. The body has set up 35 offices, including six overseas, with agents who monitor child-sex tourism and go after groups or individuals that traffic children for the purpose of engaging in sexual crime. It has also established a cyber-crime centre which investigates the exploitation of children on the Internet. Operation Predator officials have arrested more than 2,200 suspected violators of the Protect Act, including the five alleged American paedophiles.

Operation Predator head Frank Figueroa believes the crackdown in the U.S. may prompt more Americans to engage in the sexual abuse of children abroad, at least in the short term. "It will become a little more difficult to engage in those things domestically," Figueroa tells the REVIEW. "Therefore, people may travel abroad to engage in that type of activity."

The U.S. State Department early last year established Miller`s Office to Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons, which prepares an annual report on the global trafficking of people. Countries that aren`t doing much to tackle the problem can face U.S. sanctions, including the suspension of nonhumanitarian assistance. Miller believes his office has already achieved important results. "Shame and embarrassment all plays into it," says the former congressman. "If you look around the world, you can find more comprehensive anti-trafficking laws passed in the last year or two than were passed in the past 10 or 15 years."
Miller, who visited Asia in February, is pleased with the level of cooperation in Southeast Asian countries such as Cambodia and Indonesia. But he`s disappointed with Japan, saying Japanese aid workers have told him there are some 100,000 "sex slaves" in their country. "The gap between the level of the problem . . . and the amount of resources devoted to the problem is huge," he says, adding that Japanese police attribute this to the lack of an anti-trafficking law.

Bush pledged in his September speech to the UN to spend $50 million over the next few years to combat human trafficking and sexual abuse of children. At least some of this money will be given to non-governmental organizations. The State Department has granted $500,000 to World Vision, a Christian humanitarian organization, to launch an aggressive deterrence campaign. The group is preparing videos that will be shown in key U.S. airports and on international flights warning travellers of laws against engaging in sex with children overseas, says Joseph Mettimano, World Vision`s child-protection-policy adviser.

In cooperation with U.S. immigration and customs enforcement, World Vision is also preparing the billboards that will go up later this year in Phnom Penh and Bangkok. World Vision also has programmes to train Cambodian police and tourist officials on how to combat sex tourism and operates shelters and rehabilitation services for sexually abused children.

The U.S. is giving human-rights group International Justice Mission $1 million to investigate human trafficking in countries like Cambodia and to share its findings with local and American law-enforcement officers. Miller credits the organization, which sometimes conducts daring raids on brothels, with rescuing "hundreds of victims" and facilitating "many arrests and convictions" of foreign tourists sexually abusing children.

Another non-governmental group, End Child Prostitution in Asian Tourism (Ecpat), is hosting an event with Unicef and Sweden`s Queen Silvia in New York on April 21 to press U.S. travel agencies to adopt the rigorous Code of Conduct to Protect Children from Sexual Exploitation in Travel and Tourism, similar to a code adopted by many European countries. Ecpat estimates that about 25% of the sex tourists around the world are U.S. citizens. Equality Now, an international human-rights organization that targeted Big Apple for seven years before the February indictment of its owners, is now setting its sights on other U.S. sex-tour operators.

Equality Now scored another victory of sorts last November when Ultimate Asian Sex Tour, a Hawaii-based operation, shut down its Web site promoting Bangkok as the world`s "sex capital" because of "pressure from women`s rights groups." But other U.S. companies continue advertising sex tours on their Web sites, with one in Florida promoting "erotic vacation destinations" in Asia.
 
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Canada also has laws about having sex with children in other countries.

But I think it is a stretch to say that this is coming to the US anytime soon. Bush is discredited and gone, and they can not really do much while there is legal prostitution in Nevada, and tolerated in San Francisco.

Have there been a lot of guys from Norway charged with paying adult women in other countries yet? What a bunch of pussies.
 

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Hey! Not a bad idea!

Ben Dover said:
Immediate openings available in Montreal for all attractive Norwegian ladies who are tired of having "the man" rain down on their parade.

I will post that ad in all the local newspapers in Norway. Maybe it will bring us some new talent.


If paying for sex is now illegal over there, I wonder if people are getting around this law by NOT paying... I mean if you have sex with an SP and then leave without paying, did you really break the law?

BD :)
Now if only those Norwegian blondes weren't such ice cubes in bed.
 

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I think the main reason norway is considering a ban like this is because it is so easy to make friends and have sex with women there, one must be a retard to PAY for sex.LOL:)..or anywhere in a decent european city. There are bars for the young as well as middle age people. YOU can have sex till you drop..if you just try!
 
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